Oneul ui Hanyoil eun Yeojada - Ch. 59 - Do You Like This Kind of Idol? (1)

[mendics]

It’s nearly 60 chapters, I hope they can just pick up the pace and hurry up make Yoil into the debut team already.

Korean manwahs are mostly like this, I wish they pick it up as well but its something ive grown to expect.

 

[harukuro]

I like this kind of drama

 

[Hiyawoffa]

Mooyoung being pissed at Han Yoil for not being truthful to herself reminds me of how Sanghyun was mad at Iruha for contradicting that she doesn't act on stage. Great parallels.

I get it as well, after rereading the chapter I realised she wanted Yoil to snap at her for the critism because that fiery lady is the real Yoil/Sanghyun. Where Yoil was telling herself to stay calm its not really who she is, I mean in the past she straight up stood up to bitch A when she didn't leave after a week.

Oh Minji, Mooyoung and Producer are right that Yoil is so much cooler.

 

[hggg2805]

Each time Producer appear and say something i have to re-read it countlessly. His word has so many ways to understand.

When he tell about "Swan Lake", he must be refering to Yo-il last month evaluation when first half of the performance, Yo-il act as the White Swan: White, pure, soft, innocent, girly, princess like, following the way society (or I should say audience and companies) wants. And Black Swan is the second half: The desire deep inside SangHuyn want to show his true nature/style, against normal rule; then Glamorous with tough, masculine dancing and vocal; Seducetive because it very unique, an beautiful "princess" but act oppositely from fairy tales(or society standard). Producer kinda confirm it when he praise Yo-il attractive when "SangHuyn stare" him.

When he said "the Swan need considerable skills to perform difficult movements" and "Yo-il can't play the Swan", definitely means she can't play the White Swan but can also mean she don't have talent to be the center of the team.

The "how hard you try to change your image" part maybe means " Yo-il can't be White Swan". Or "The audience already thinks you are a White Swan and you doesn't have the amazing standout skills to show ( or they don't want see ) the Black Swan. This reminded me of what Lee Ruha said about she can't change what people thinks about her so she give up.

MC is a complicated person. So that Producer can't used Lee Ruha Copycat standard to evaluate and only came to nearest thing is "Swan Lake" standard after watching it every day for weeks. I thinks he will be an important part in Yo-il's success debut.

This arc is more and more interesting, will we get to see Yo-il really try her best to be White Swan? Or going back to Black Swan? Or maybe the confident when in Black Swan calm her mind so she can truly act the Whitr Swan role. Hopefully author will handle it good. I really want to read this series till chapter 2xx

 

[Kontoru11]

You ok? Maybe you need a break from the internet

no worries...I just drank too much flammable water.

i was a bit iffy on the flip flop as well, people telling her to more girly, then now saying her older self was better, "rely on her natural beauty and attitude" wasn't she doing that already before? then what was the whole point about the girl maxing arc? just for her to realize, that she was already doing well before her trying to get out of her comfort zone? I hope this development actually results in something. Like maybe, finding her own femininity to encorporate into her performance was a previous development, and now learning not to fake it or overdoing it is what were on perhaps.

Actually I still don't understand what she learned previously, maybe to just be aware of her own looks and use it. The current arc seems to be focusing on exploring more on being feminine in relation to what she learned previously thinking its what it means to take it seriously but maybe overdid it and strayed off from what she should have been focusing on. Like instead of trying to be more girly, what she needed to do was find her confidence on her looks, personality and own that cause atm she was only doing what she thought would look good and going by the praises of others but i guess in a way that's also a way of trying to find whats good for her, but skewed it too much that she's just following what she thinks would look good as viewed by others, when she should have been doing it for herself. Like for example I could be wearing mini skirts and that would be attractive for others, but personally I prefer long skirts, and that TOO can be attractive if done well with confidence, it also wouldn't feel fake. I guess the issue here is that our mc has not been a woman long to form an identity of preferences based on their looks LOL. If I were put in his shoes, I guess what he needs to find is what he finds comfortable and can bring him confidence based on his own perception of yoil. She can be manly yet have the beauty of a woman. Cool women exists. Don't have to be girly to be attractive.

yeah... i do agree with some point of what you said, we can certainly see that the recently happenings around yoil makes her thinks that she has to become more feminine (demure) especially that's what manager han wanted & told to do so by coach sim but what she needed the most is the confidence that comes along with her look, since sanghyun has lived his life getting criticized cuz of his looks b4 which makes the yoil at the beginning looks awkward not just boyish as one of peep on the company said that she doesn't has the confidence that comes from having such an attractive face.

Also, the author has done a good job of subtly showing the fact that Yoil is caught in a giant spiral of misunderstandings with almost everyone else.

The producers, management, and trainers all seem to have different individual perspectives on Yoil, so most of them don't understand why Yoil suddenly changed (hence the accusation about her being in a relationship). Meanwhile, if she had responded that she did it because her past performance reviews told her to do that, it would have probably led to an even better conversation with the producer (the Swan Lake analogy was probably helpful enough though).

But now Mooyoung and a few others probably also think Yoil is not taking her performance seriously because she's with some guy, and what Gongwon just said, followed by Yoil leaving, probably reinforced that point of view. So I imagine that now, when Yoil goes back to acting more like how she used to, some people are still going to dislike her, thinking she only went back to normal because Gongwon broke things off with her.

And Yoil probably won't understand why people are angry because the truth of what happened is so radically different. What a mess (a very entertaining mess, for the readers lol)

well... indeed either yoil has to stay with sanghyun personality or with more gentle and demure personality which is kinda spiraling right now.

but as for mooyoung, i think she got pissed by yoil because she thinks yoil can't be true to herself and just got swayed with the flow.
more likely she actually respects yoil for being brutally honest with her preference (you know, she liked boy group song that gives off cool vibe just as sanghyun liked) however, yoil now is basically denying that.

 

[Kontoru11]

Each time Producer appear and say something i have to re-read it countlessly. His word has so many ways to understand.

When he tell about "Swan Lake", he must be refering to Yo-il last month evaluation when first half of the performance, Yo-il act as the White Swan: White, pure, soft, innocent, girly, princess like, following the way society (or I should say audience and companies) wants. And Black Swan is the second half: The desire deep inside SangHuyn want to show his true nature/style, against normal rule; then Glamorous with tough, masculine dancing and vocal; Seducetive because it very unique, an beautiful "princess" but act oppositely from fairy tales(or society standard). Producer kinda confirm it when he praise Yo-il attractive when "SangHuyn stare" him.

When he said "the Swan need considerable skills to perform difficult movements" and "Yo-il can't play the Swan", definitely means she can't play the White Swan but can also mean she don't have talent to be the center of the team.

The "how hard you try to change your image" part maybe means " Yo-il can't be White Swan". Or "The audience already thinks you are a White Swan and you doesn't have the amazing standout skills to show ( or they don't want see ) the Black Swan. This reminded me of what Lee Ruha said about she can't change what people thinks about her so she give up.

MC is a complicated person. So that Producer can't used Lee Ruha Copycat standard to evaluate and only came to nearest thing is "Swan Lake" standard after watching it every day for weeks. I thinks he will be an important part in Yo-il's success debut.

This arc is more and more interesting, can't wait to see next chapter and furthermore. Hopefully author will handle it good. I really want to read this series till chapter 2xx

that's an really interesting thoughts... but i thinks he's refering more to her personality, he's just saying that demure and gentle act doesn't suit yoil image and prefer yoil with her real personality.
just like what you said he saw it in yoil previous monthly evaluation.

and what he said after the previous monthly evaluation that he liked the yoil with her own taste than copying other, that's why i thinks he probably meant "instead of acting what you're not good at, it's better to just be yourself"

 

[jackieky]

Also, the author has done a good job of subtly showing the fact that Yoil is caught in a giant spiral of misunderstandings with almost everyone else.

The producers, management, and trainers all seem to have different individual perspectives on Yoil, so most of them don't understand why Yoil suddenly changed (hence the accusation about her being in a relationship). Meanwhile, if she had responded that she did it because her past performance reviews told her to do that, it would have probably led to an even better conversation with the producer (the Swan Lake analogy was probably helpful enough though).

But now Mooyoung and a few others probably also think Yoil is not taking her performance seriously because she's with some guy, and what Gongwon just said, followed by Yoil leaving, probably reinforced that point of view. So I imagine that now, when Yoil goes back to acting more like how she used to, some people are still going to dislike her, thinking she only went back to normal because Gongwon broke things off with her.

And Yoil probably won't understand why people are angry because the truth of what happened is so radically different. What a mess (a very entertaining mess, for the readers lol)

That sucks for her. It seems like she is being pulled in different directions with pretty much no help.

 

[tresul]

but as for mooyoung, i think she got pissed by yoil because she thinks yoil can't be true to herself and just got swayed with the flow.
more likely she actually respects yoil for being brutally honest with her preference (you know, she liked boy group song that gives off cool vibe just as sanghyun liked) however, yoil now is basically denying that.

That was definitely what I initially thought about Mooyoung from the last few chapters. I only thought that she might also be thinking that Yoil is in relationship, or at least trying to impress a guy, because of that one panel in this chapter where she gave a side eye glance right after what Gongwon said and Yoil stood up to leave.

That sucks for her. It seems like she is being pulled in different directions with pretty much no help.

She's at a crossroad with multiple choices right now. One bad possibility is that Yoil gets stuck in the same situation Ruha was in, where she continues to try to balance out the personality acting, becomes better at it and debuts, but ends up having her team mates dislike her just because it keeps on reinforcing misunderstandings.

 

[Singulo]

I re-read the first Producer-san meeting, it does seem like he's saying that it's perfectly okay to act however fem!MC like (e.g singing like a man), and that she would have gotten a far better score had she went her own way instead of going out of her way to copy Lee Ruha. (and thus be graded on that metric) He can't say that infront of the others though cuz of korean customs I guess(?) that it'd be improper? Instead MC misunderstands the whole intended message of his remarks, thinking that it was too obvious she was imitating Ruha and doubled down on making sure it's flawless instead of what he actually meant.

Agreed. Manager Han is really to blame for like 70% of Sanghyun/Yoil's problems so far lol.

Lowkey both manager-san and ruha is like the source of most of MC's troubles and misunderstandings. Like, I get Lee ruha being her worst mentor cuz, you know she's fighting with fem!mc over male!MC. But manager-san doesn't really have any excuses

 

[tresul]

I re-read the first Producer-san meeting, it does seem like he's saying that it's perfectly okay to act however fem!MC like (e.g singing like a man), and that she would have gotten a far better score had she went her own way instead of going out of her way to copy Lee Ruha. (and thus be graded on that metric) He can't say that infront of the others though cuz of korean customs I guess(?) that it'd be improper? Instead MC misunderstands the whole intended message of his remarks, thinking that it was too obvious she was imitating Ruha and doubled down on making sure it's flawless instead of what he actually meant.

It does seem like that's what happened. I still think it would have had a lot more impact if Producer had said something like that at the actual review, but I understand why he thought he couldn't (again, the other criticisms leaned heavily on the opposite idea).

But what gets really worrying is when you compare the face Yoil made after that conversation vs. the one she made after the latest conversation in this chapter:

The first expression is one of confusion, which ended up with her doubling down on the idea that she needs to be more feminine. And the second one makes me feel like she's about double down even harder lol.

Sanghyun (as Yoil): "You think I can't play both swans! I'll show you!"

Hopefully she does find some good balance between the Sanghyun side and the new Yoil experimental personality she's been testing.

 

[GaikoTekina]

Seeing the comments I guess I'm the only one who doesn't like Mooyoung lmao. I just don't vibe with people who seems like they know me despite not interacting with them much, even if they are right.

 

[Hiyawoffa]

I re-read the first Producer-san meeting, it does seem like he's saying that it's perfectly okay to act however fem!MC like (e.g singing like a man), and that she would have gotten a far better score had she went her own way instead of going out of her way to copy Lee Ruha. (and thus be graded on that metric) He can't say that infront of the others though cuz of korean customs I guess(?) that it'd be improper? Instead MC misunderstands the whole intended message of his remarks, thinking that it was too obvious she was imitating Ruha and doubled down on making sure it's flawless instead of what he actually meant.


Lowkey both manager-san and ruha is like the source of most of MC's troubles and misunderstandings. Like, I get Lee ruha being her worst mentor cuz, you know she's fighting with fem!mc over male!MC. But manager-san doesn't really have any excuses

On top of that Yuyeon is pushing for Yoil to make it on the debut team. Which is letting her personal feelings blind her.


She said early on she likes Sanghyun but with little reference as to why. And she only really see's Yoil as a daughter figure so she puts on her parent glasses with her missing important details.

In a way she is like an inexperienced parent wanting the best for her child but only through her own worldview not Yoils.

In a way Sureyon was right Yoil is in her position because of connections, but the lionesses is also right if you have them why not use them.

I think though we might be seeing Sanghyun for a bit to keep Yoils profile low, i think the hurt might be Sanghyun and Yoil seen entering or leaving the same place.

 

[rimuraaaaaaaaaa]

Whoops was super late on this oneever since watching game of thrones
I feel secound hand hurtness everytime someone doubts han yoil especially in this chapter when that one girl asked if she was even fully trying and when the guy said she could never havr thr talent enough it really sucks becuase evr since as a kid sanghyun wanted to be an idol and gave his all to it and eventually had to brcome a woman (not complaining 😳) to achieve his dream like what do yall know abt han yoil💔💔💔

ANYWAYS THANK YOU FOR THE NEE UPLOAD YAYYAYAYAY🥳🥳🥳🥳❤️‍🩹🍀

 

[Tags01]

CLOSE THOSE DAMN LEGS YOIL

 

[hggg2805]

that's an really interesting thoughts... but i thinks he's refering more to her personality, he's just saying that demure and gentle act doesn't suit yoil image and prefer yoil with her real personality.
just like what you said he saw it in yoil previous monthly evaluation.

and what he said after the previous monthly evaluation that he liked the yoil with her own taste than copying other, that's why i thinks he probably meant "instead of acting what you're not good at, it's better to just be yourself"

Yeah, he said a bit exagerrated but i think that's his way of helping this "rare-find" to shine. He's workaholic type so is special that he got much interested in a trainee/idol like Yo IL, author must be set this up for debut team/debuted idol arc.

 

[Heimei]

Fucking brats I swear to God. The worst thing that ever happened to this guy came as consequence of poor anger management and they keep poking him like some zoo animal. A miracle he hasn't taken to day drinking.

 

[mendics]

yeah... i do agree with some point of what you said, we can certainly see that the recently happenings around yoil makes her thinks that she has to become more feminine (demure) especially that's what manager han wanted & told to do so by coach sim but what she needed the most is the confidence that comes along with her look, since sanghyun has lived his life getting criticized cuz of his looks b4 which makes the yoil at the beginning looks awkward not just boyish as one of peep on the company said that she doesn't has the confidence that comes from having such an attractive face.

definitely, i also have no clue how he'll get that confidence, for someone not born with that face, not born with that sex/gender, and also used to being criticized for their looks. Very difficult position to be in. I guess all he really needs to do is just be himself, and know what he wants for himself well... for his female self i guess

 

[Beatrice]

i was a bit iffy on the flip flop as well, people telling her to more girly, then now saying her older self was better, "rely on her natural beauty and attitude" wasn't she doing that already before? then what was the whole point about the girl maxing arc? just for her to realize, that she was already doing well before her trying to get out of her comfort zone? I hope this development actually results in something. Like maybe, finding her own femininity to encorporate into her performance was a previous development, and now learning not to fake it or overdoing it is what were on perhaps.

Actually I still don't understand what she learned previously, maybe to just be aware of her own looks and use it. The current arc seems to be focusing on exploring more on being feminine in relation to what she learned previously thinking its what it means to take it seriously but maybe overdid it and strayed off from what she should have been focusing on. Like instead of trying to be more girly, what she needed to do was find her confidence on her looks, personality and own that cause atm she was only doing what she thought would look good and going by the praises of others but i guess in a way that's also a way of trying to find whats good for her, but skewed it too much that she's just following what she thinks would look good as viewed by others, when she should have been doing it for herself. Like for example I could be wearing mini skirts and that would be attractive for others, but personally I prefer long skirts, and that TOO can be attractive if done well with confidence, it also wouldn't feel fake. I guess the issue here is that our mc has not been a woman long to form an identity of preferences based on their looks LOL. If I were put in his shoes, I guess what he needs to find is what he finds comfortable and can bring him confidence based on his own perception of yoil. She can be manly yet have the beauty of a woman. Cool women exists. Don't have to be girly to be attractive.

It makes sense if you consider that we're dealing with people and not just vehicles to drive a story. Yoil is dealing with unreasonable expectations, but it's taking the easy way out to assume that it is the same force pushing them in two different ways. Producer man has his own beliefs and expectations that even clash with Yoil's handler, who thinks this is the best time to market her looks.

Yoil could indeed have been given improper instructions from people who obviously don't understand the situation and come out with the wrong message. What matters, to me, is that there is something gained from doing so. Growth is messy and the interesting aspect of the story is how Yoil organically has to go back and forth with trying to reach an acceptable standard. They were great at dancing. You'd think that'd be their major advantage, but no! Being a girl meant relearning from the ground up but keeping some muscle memory. This is more of the same.

 

[chairlight]

......

It is quite weird. She wanted Gongwon to stop chasing her this entire time. but she gets annoyed when he finally does?

Yoil has finally mastered thinking like a woman.

 

[Hiyawoffa]

I'm almost 100% certain she was mad because he said she wasn't attractive to him any longer. She did like the attention from random strangers in public, so she does like being attractive to others.

After rereading this chapter a few (100) times, there was a lot going on in this chapter.

I see it now, it's definitely amatyer of pride.

It reminds me of classic Ranma 1/2 moments where the female form was insulated and Ranma would get upset and atart acting hyper feminine...wait a second...

It does seem to be a matter of pride, especially given her history with Gongwon 'Oppa'.