Onii-chan wa Oshimai! - Ch. 102.2 - Aoi-chan Edition

[anon763]

It really is depressing how basic empathy for people who actually do the hard work of gender subverting in the real world is too much to ask. But kind of a sign of our times, honestly.

This must be parody. What a hilarious sentence to read.

 

[MidnighTea]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_panic_defense

^^^

That's either important to you or not. If it's not, you're no supporter of Minato no matter what you tell yourself. Stop framing gender subversion from the perspective of shocked "entrapped" supposedly straight men. Historically, men have reacted violently in response to being "surprised". Again, see link. It's happened. Deal with it.

If you use "trap" to refer to Minato, as far as I'm concerned, it's the same as being okay with seeing him dead with post-humous bruises all over his body by someone who was very angry to find out what was under his skirt. And ultimately being on that person's side.

 

[WeaverTVSC]

Jesus fucking christ. I shouldn't be this surprised to see the audience of a gender-bender manga to be spewing and protecting age old transmisogynist slurs, but seems like I've forgotten how many people lack empathy and even basic decency towards trans women and other transfeminine people.

 

[Kurmon]

Reminder that crossdressing != trans

 

[AbuHajaar]

Tourists still screeching lmao

 

[KZO]

Whatever, grandpa. Why don't you go complain on Facebook how kids these days won't let you call a spade a spade anymore?

I do have a single friend in Facebook to who I talk to everyday about how dumb the current generation is unironically and how words are just words, but only one, true anime/manga fans don't have more than one friend and he is a childhood friend from before Facebook existed anyway. He loves the Onimai OP way more than I do, even has it as a ringtone. I'm not american and while my country is still kinda safe and still use the OG terms for everything, the US's twitter ideology is slowly creeping into it, which is not good at all.

 

[MidnighTea]

Tourists still screeching lmao

My guy, I literally registered to this forum four days after you. I've been saying this stuff since I got here. I've been here. If you haven't seen me in other threads saying the same thing you just haven't been paying attention.

And I don't know what you think, but to me the definition of screeching is making a whole lot of noise when the other side has a point you can't refute. In this case... yes, if I must repeat myself.

1. "Trap" recalls the gay panic defense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_panic_defense

2. It frames gender subversion -- something on paper WE ALL LOVE here supposedly, we love Onimai pissing scenes and all -- from the perspective of a surprised straight male. Implicitly for comedy, but I've seen videos of angry young men screaming about how we have to get the "fu**ing traps" out of society before they get taken down.

... hey while I'm at it?

If people want you dead I think you're entitled to some "screeching". Even if that isn't what I'm doing. So I'd ask you show some patience/kindness with Zblurth or whoever else feels threatened in this political climate, regardless of how well they communicate it. If that basic bit of humanity is too much to ask that says much more about you IMO.

 

[AbuHajaar]

My guy, I literally registered to this forum four days after you. I've been saying this stuff since I got here. I've been here. If you haven't seen me in other threads saying the same thing you just haven't been paying attention.

And I don't know what you think, but to me the definition of screeching is making a whole lot of noise when the other side has a point you can't refute. In this case... yes, if I must repeat myself.

1. "Trap" recalls the gay panic defense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_panic_defense

2. It frames gender subversion -- something on paper WE ALL LOVE here supposedly, we love Onimai pissing scenes and all -- from the perspective of a surprised straight male. Implicitly for comedy, but I've seen videos of angry young men screaming about how we have to get the "fu**ing traps" out of society before they get taken down.

... hey while I'm at it?

If people want you dead I think you're entitled to some "screeching". Even if that isn't what I'm doing. So I'd ask you show some patience/kindness with Zblurth or whoever else feels threatened in this political climate, regardless of how well they communicate it. If that basic bit of humanity is too much to ask that says much more about you IMO.

Unlike you I can distinguish between a work of fiction and real life and not spazz out about it

Do you think I go up to people irl and call them traps? What are you, a twitter user?

Tf are you dragging gay panic defense into this? I didn't see anyone hurt anyone here, why are you leaping to conclusions. Show me the chapter where Nayuta tries to stab Mahiro for being a dude, that shit didn't happen, stop screeching about some schizo anglo society strategy used by their lawyers to bullshit their charges in court

Onimai clearly isn't trying to explore any deep meaning into sexuality of any kind, trans or not. Why are you imposing irl shit into a fictional work that has nothing to do with it. Typical tourist mindset, or should I say evangelical mindset cuz this shit is like getting preached to at the most irrelevant times and it's getting annoying

 

[Noodles]

Unlike you I can distinguish between a work of fiction and real life and not spazz out about it

Do you think I go up to people irl and call them traps? What are you, a twitter user?

Tf are you dragging gay panic defense into this? I didn't see anyone hurt anyone here, why are you leaping to conclusions. Show me the chapter where Nayuta tries to stab Mahiro for being a dude, that shit didn't happen, stop screeching about some schizo anglo society strategy used by their lawyers to bullshit their charges in court

Onimai clearly isn't trying to explore any deep meaning into sexuality of any kind, trans or not. Why are you imposing irl shit into a fictional work that has nothing to do with it. Typical tourist mindset, or should I say evangelical mindset cuz this shit is like getting preached to at the most irrelevant times and it's getting annoying

You know what you're right I'm sick of people like MidnighTea I'm going back to using trap.

 

[MidnighTea]

You can be sick of me, you can put labels and insults on me ("twitter user", "tourist", bullshit lawyer), you can swear angrily and beat the table as hard as you want.

But the one thing you can't do is refute the point I'm actually making. And I for one have no anger, unkind words or labels for any of you. All I've done is invite you to reflect and ask you to consider the LGBT community's trauma when using that word and suggest using other ones. If an invitation to empathy inspires anger from you I don't know what else to say. I can't appeal to humanity that isn't seemingly there from my perspective.

 

[Mingu113]

What is this, r/animemes?

 

[YurushiteHyacinth]

Unlike you I can distinguish between a work of fiction and real life and not spazz out about it

Do you think I go up to people irl and call them traps? What are you, a twitter user?

Tf are you dragging gay panic defense into this? I didn't see anyone hurt anyone here, why are you leaping to conclusions. Show me the chapter where Nayuta tries to stab Mahiro for being a dude, that shit didn't happen, stop screeching about some schizo anglo society strategy used by their lawyers to bullshit their charges in court

Onimai clearly isn't trying to explore any deep meaning into sexuality of any kind, trans or not. Why are you imposing irl shit into a fictional work that has nothing to do with it. Typical tourist mindset, or should I say evangelical mindset cuz this shit is like getting preached to at the most irrelevant times and it's getting annoying

"Tourist"

Buddy, I've been reading manga for 30 years of my life and I agree with MidnightTea. The word's outdated in a bad way and there are better alternatives, so stop using it instead of whining about your "right" to use offensive words because "we've said them for years" or whatever the fuck.

Besides, what the hell are you even saying? They're talking about how the TL used the word in the scan.

 

[faaresemo]

The BL aesthetic is great

and that is exactly why I started steering away from a lot of crossdressing fiction.

I really like the ones that have egg aesthetic or GL aesthetic, but I have definitely been seeing the pie shift in BL's favor TuT

anyone who likes it for BL, you're still totally valid it's just not my cup of hot choco

 

[Monstrengo]

Let's use some Socratic logic here, okay?

If you don't like the word 'trap', then you don't like Admiral Ackbar.

And if you don't like Admiral Ackbar, then you're friends with the Empire. You fiends!

 

[AstolfoXY]

Traps have been around long before tro*ns were. I don't need to be the one to tell you that they are distinctly different concepts, and some culturally unrelated murder case from half the world away doesn't change that fact. pack it up.

 

[Shita-kiri_Suzume]

Traps have been around long before tro*ns were. I don't need to be the one to tell you that they are distinctly different concepts, and some culturally unrelated murder case from half the world away doesn't change that fact. pack it up.

Transphobic slur aside, I'm pretty sure people know the difference. That's not the point. The point is that trans people are in the fandom with you and they are sensitive to the word for the above reasons, so how about growing a heart somewhere in there for a freaking change.

Just going to put this out here in case smartasses still intend to argue this in bad faith.

 

[MidnighTea]

Traps have been around long before tro*ns were. I don't need to be the one to tell you that they are distinctly different concepts, and some culturally unrelated murder case from half the world away doesn't change that fact. pack it up.

Very literally a trans woman is who kicked off the Stonewall Riot in 1969. This was the beginning of a sea change for the LGBT community, not just in the USA but worldwide. So no, we've always been here. I mean no offense but your inability to see us comes from your own lack of perception. And your hostility to being invited towards empathy says more about you than us, I'm sorry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots

This isn't even going into centuries of cultures subverting gender roles or whatever, I doubt you care about that. But we're here. We've always been here. You'd probably know more about us being here if the very literal Nazis didn't very literally burn books in 1933 from the Institute of Sexology.

So yeah maybe don't use the word "trap" if you don't want to make us recall trauma our community has suffered. I'm sorry if that's somehow a huge ask.

EDIT: Also we are part of your fandom. I love Minato, Mahiro, Nayuta, everyone. You're just going to have to accept we exist, we share a fandom with you and will say "ow" if our toes are stepped on. Because that is the appropriate response to having your toes stepped on.

 

[remihinanawi]

people who get upset from the word "trap" are so having first world problems that its too funny. get a life and go touch some grass.

 

[Vasqueztion]

Ya'll, this is a story about a man turned into an adolescent girl by his genius sister so he stops being a neet. Let up on the world views.

 

[Themanwiththehat]

Ah so this was the start of that war in chapter 80 something