Ore Igai Dare mo Saishu Dekinai Sozai na no ni "Sozai Saishuritsu ga Hikui" to Pawahara suru Osananajimi Renkinjutsushi to Zetsuen shita Senzoku Mado…

[rendidarma98]

KILL THAT BITCH BRO WHAT ARE YOU DOING, TRASH ALWAYS BE TRASH HUH PATHETIC MC

 

[WillLi]

But like, that IS the reason. She's the only kid at the table who is smart enough to see that they're all just props to be humiliated and forced to thank a smug girl of the same age for teaching her the "value of mercy" when they could be doing rather a lot more for those orphans than pot au feu. The noble and his daughter didn't cook the meal, but their money paid for it; they're there for dinner to take credit. Even if what they're doing is totally defensible, like "oh, I want my daughter to see first-hand the effects of her charity," all the subtext is "we're up here and you're down there."

You and I and the orphanage director have made our peace with the facts that pride doesn't pay the bills and that the powerless need to grovel and beg and be happy for "net positives" from those with means. But Ruby, despite being the smartest girl at the table, is still just a little kid, and her childish sense of justice understands that that's just not fucking fair. She can sit there and suffer indignity like human debris, or she can leave. And she chooses her pride and leaves, alone. And so yeah, that's a moment that sets her resentment and insecurity in stone.


More denial than delusion, but yes, that is her character. That it's all her fault makes it both more sad, and more funny when karma arrives in ways both predictable and un-predictable.

Name one place you see the nobles doing anything to humiliate ANYONE? They were not forced to thank them. That was the care taker's idea, not the noble's. Yes the father said "Thanks to my daughter they learned the value of mercy" but that's just gloating. That's not humiliation at all. Also don't get me started on "they could be doing a lot more". First off, how much food did they send? She associated Pot au Feu with the nobles, but Lloyd said they used to eat it ALL THE TIME. That means they likely were not just feeding them once or twice but likely supplying the food for the orphanage. Also what is their status? They might not be THAT right. Also the mage, you think he came there all by himself? Or what about the BOOKS that Ruby was using. Books are SUPER expensive in olden times and these weren't children's books they were books related to magic and alchemy. Did those just magically appear?

Edit: Correction after rereading. They're not nobles. The dude is an ALCHEMIST. That means he worked for his money, likely isn't super rich in the first place jsut well off. AND the books almost 100% chance came from him because they were alchemy books.

And this has nothing to do with poor needing to grovel and beg. This has to deal with if someone is doing you a favor, them gloating is a cheap price to pay and isn't 'wrong'. They did not diminish the children, and in fact upbuilt them. What's not fair is Ruby's attitude. That overlooks EVERYTHING that was done for them because of the people who did it have bad tact and possibly poor communication skills. If it wasn't for those nobles and privledged people Ruby wouldn't even have had the opportunity to study alchemy. Yeah she took that chance and made something of it herself. But the only reason she had that chance was the nobles. And at no point did they do a SINGLE thing to harm her. But they are the target of her resentment.

 

[Tamult]

Honestly, the tone of the chapter is fine, except for the very end where it is thrown off. We have our literal (ex-)Saint asking them not to denigrate each other. This makes the fault seem like it is equal on both Lloyd and Ruby, particularly because we get more of Ruby's view of their background together.

And yes, in Ruby's view Lloyd doesn't understand her at all, but that goes both ways. And more damningly, Ruby's view of their actions is immediately what she does in every situation. Ruby lord's her position above the people she believed lorded over them. She calls the commoner stupid because they accept Ruby's position.

And honestly, that would be fine, if not for the ending notes of the chapter '. . .they couldn't come to an understanding'. It reinforces the fact that Lloyd is also in the wrong. Lloyd's greatest 'failing' this chapter is that, yes, he didn't fully hate his humble beginnings like Ruby. To Ruby, Lloyd could never really appreciate all the hard work they did to pull themselves out of the mud together.

This also ignores the Ruby's own major culpability in how unhappy Lloyd was, but Lloyd's greatest actual failure was never really standing up for his own wants and dreams. We see in this chapter alone how Lloyd's acceptance of fault for not having the best ingredients here played out overtime. Ruby began blaming him for her own shortcomings. Maybe if Lloyd actualized his own thoughts and feelings to Ruby, they'd not come to blows here.

And that understanding is probably what the chapter's end is on about, even if it really isn't on Lloyd for how Ruby handled herself. Call it what you will, but Ruby's abuse does stem from her own conflicted feelings on Lloyd and their past.



On another note; the Alchemist's daughter is probably a very nice lady. Yes, she's probably enjoying herself for helping the impoverished. Also, gotta rep those hair drills, ojou.

On the other hand, the merchant that 'scammed' Ruby and Lloyd also hit Ruby in the face. Probably with their own potion bottle, since it was in the hand that hit her. I'd lose very little sleep if someone like that was pressured out of business by the newly minted noble Ruby.

 

[DementisXYZ]

I'm sorry, is this flashback supposed to make us feel bad for her or something? All it's done is illustrate that she's always been an ungrateful little shit.

... Since she's a monster now, I wonder how much money they can get for trading her remains.

 

[erintesden]

Does this series has a novel?
If anyone checked it could you tell us if this chapter was adapted badly or is there more backstory we are yet to see?
Because I dont see why we should feel bad about her in this backstory obviously focused on making the reader sympathize for her...
So yeah, she is an orphan and that sucks, but she was a talented girl with a good close friend, in an orphanage where most kids seemed well adjusted/non-problematic, with decent caretakers, and relatively rich people giving money to the orphanage so they apparently never had to starve.
...Al her deal seems to be about the repetitive food that she didnt like and the whole charity aspect of being an orphan making her aware of her low/unstable social situation and so, very insecure, creating her an inferiority-superiority complex... Well, that sounds tough and it truly sucks for her, but throwing shit at others acting as if you are better than them while believing everyone looks down on you to the point of snapping at them and being an ungrateful little bitch, is totally on her.
EDIT: As some of you said, maybe this chapter wasnt even made to make us sympathize with Ruby but simply make her context clear.
Because usually, this flashbacks with the villain try to justify their actions.
With Ruby... She is just a petty girl with an inferiority-superiority complex. Not sure if the author will just do the obvious and have MC talk her down into becoming good or not.

 

[erintesden]

Readers are not seeing Lloyd's character deficiency here. Ruby all but tells him a run down abandoned atelier is better than the funded and maintained orphanage. Lloyd also couldn't see that it wasn't his fault during the potion sale. She had to tell him it was the buyer tricking them. He has no critical thinking skills whatsoever and it directly affects their relationship.

Is she perfect? No. She's not even good I'd say considering she turned her resentment onto Lloyd. But Lloyd shares blame for not having the emotional maturity to recognize that his partner and someone he's spent his entire life around does not share his carefree attitude toward being looked down upon by people born with a silver spoon in their mouths.

Eh. You are making it sound as if it were Lloyd fault that Ruby is terrible...
If you are right in something is that just as Ruby is too damn cynical (because no one is looking down on her that we've seen) then Lloyd is too naive and optimistical.
Maybe they should have learned a bit of each other, Ruby grown more gentle and Lloyd a bit more realistic.
But no, Ruby was busier being emotionally abusive to Lloyd and a bitch to everyone else. For a reason Lloyd was her only friend.

 

[Wilsie05]

I think this chapter is more to show the tragedy behind Ruby rather than make us sympathize with her. She had finally reached the power and status she so desired, but wound up losing sight of what actually mattered and became the very thing she resented.

 

[CheesiBoye]

Honesrly Lyold mistake wirh Ruby turns out to be that he qas just to kind in teying to help her when he should told her off earlier huh. Hard to rly truly feel bad for Ruby but we now get why she became what she did and honestly. No for real thou the one thing ahe right on thou is how the Rich ppl sucks lmao

I kinda get this. Like both of them felt differently from what they got by getting societal merit. Not thinking and being passive to a fault but being talented let Lloyd feel like being given handouts was a positive memory. Ruby on the otherhand, was hyper aware of her status as someone poor and pathetic and used that trauma to get somewhere. I think both of them recieved the benefits for their ability and its contributions to society, but never realized the person they were taking that journey with had the complete opposite worldview of why they were on that journey in the first place.

Like no, there's no attempt by the author to elicit sympathy for the villain here, apart from simply fleshing out ruby as a character. If anything i think what feels like sympathy is simply showing how she and lloyd are foils to each other

 

[Salfaro]

This is a good backstory for her, but it doesn't really do anything to absolve her of the shit she did. Even if she freaked at him and started hating him because he reminded her of the orphanage, how she took it out on him was obviously too much.

 

[essensue]

Name one place you see the nobles doing anything to humiliate ANYONE? They were not forced to thank them. That was the care taker's idea, not the noble's. Yes the father said "Thanks to my daughter they learned the value of mercy" but that's just gloating. That's not humiliation at all. Also don't get me started on "they could be doing a lot more". First off, how much food did they send? She associated Pot au Feu with the nobles, but Lloyd said they used to eat it ALL THE TIME. That means they likely were not just feeding them once or twice but likely supplying the food for the orphanage. Also what is their status? They might not be THAT right. Also the mage, you think he came there all by himself? Or what about the BOOKS that Ruby was using. Books are SUPER expensive in olden times and these weren't children's books they were books related to magic and alchemy. Did those just magically appear?

Edit: Correction after rereading. They're not nobles. The dude is an ALCHEMIST. That means he worked for his money, likely isn't super rich in the first place jsut well off. AND the books almost 100% chance came from him because they were alchemy books.

And this has nothing to do with poor needing to grovel and beg. This has to deal with if someone is doing you a favor, them gloating is a cheap price to pay and isn't 'wrong'. They did not diminish the children, and in fact upbuilt them. What's not fair is Ruby's attitude. That overlooks EVERYTHING that was done for them because of the people who did it have bad tact and possibly poor communication skills. If it wasn't for those nobles and privledged people Ruby wouldn't even have had the opportunity to study alchemy. Yeah she took that chance and made something of it herself. But the only reason she had that chance was the nobles. And at no point did they do a SINGLE thing to harm her. But they are the target of her resentment.

Don't worry, they're likely nobles, even if they aren't cartoonishly evil Manga Nobles - director refers to the daughter as a noblewoman. 'Humiliation' isn't defined by the intent of the person who does the humiliating, but by the feelings of the offended party; one is just as able to be humiliated by oneself or by circumstance as the actions of another. Gloating is sufficient to make Ruby feel ashamed of the vast difference in their stations in life, because it's a reminder that you have to be very conscious of not offending them, while the other direction, not so much. It's an explanation, not an excuse, and it tracks.

All the rest of that aside, I'm sure we can agree that "taking the generosity of the aristocrats for granted" might literally be the least of her offenses.

Fun note: Ruby, of course, earned her noble title with alchemy and became a "one-of-a-kind aristocraft" which, if that's a coinage by the TLs, wow, all the points, great job, love it. Hard to say if that means her specific title was unique but others also gained title through crafts, whether she's the only one who's ever earned a title by craft excellence, or, most likely, a mistranslation of the concept of non-heritable nobility, like a "life peer" in the UK.

 

[StormSen]

In short she's an egomaniac who is massively frustrated and angry because she didn't get absolutely everything she wanted.

Amidst her trials and tribulations (i.e. not having the world bow down before her), her one absolutely safe zone was having a pet peon that she could shit all over. And the reason she's going on an absolute rampage is that pet peon finally had enough and bailed on her.

Now, maybe she'll get her just deserts... Lol, who am I kidding? This is Japan, and she's a cute girl, and she hasn't actually murdered anyone yet, so we know damned well that's she's going to be redeemed. (Most likely with her kowtowing and saying, "I'm so sorrrryyy!")

 

[Swain123]

I don't know. Earlier in the manga, She watched this dude cry for his mother and father in his sleep when he was a kid, I can see how she'd be mad at the nobles giving the orphans "mercy." If we knew her goal was systemic change from the beginning maybe we'd feel different about her as a character. In the lens of her trying to become an alchemist as a revolutionary, lloyd being so pure would be a disappointment. We see her illuminating the dark street with alchemy, and he's just like I missed the orphanage so I made the food the nobles used to give us. From her perspective, the nobles are why they were in the orphanage, why lloyd was crying out for his dead parents.

We really didn't get her vision in the manga though, the whole time she wanted to be the greatest instead, so this anger feels cheap and unearned.

 

[essensue]

Honestly, the tone of the chapter is fine, except for the very end where it is thrown off. We have our literal (ex-)Saint asking them not to denigrate each other. This makes the fault seem like it is equal on both Lloyd and Ruby, particularly because we get more of Ruby's view of their background together.

Yeah, this hits as just a little dissonant when one party is a literal giant evil monster ravaging the landscape.

And yes, in Ruby's view Lloyd doesn't understand her at all, but that goes both ways. -snip-

And honestly, that would be fine, if not for the ending notes of the chapter '. . .they couldn't come to an understanding'. It reinforces the fact that Lloyd is also in the wrong. -snip-

Yeah, I kinda love that it's leaning on their worldviews being mutually unintelligible for now, and doesn't do much of the "Ruby has Lloyd all figured out" shit you might normally see. Didn't take it as an assignation of blame, just a sad statement of fact. How much of your dislike is simply due to a shift in the TL to the active voice, instead of something like "Is a mutual understanding impossible after all?"

On another note; the Alchemist's daughter is probably a very nice lady. Yes, she's probably enjoying herself for helping the impoverished. Also, gotta rep those hair drills, ojou.
-snip-

Right? And if you go back and look, her dad is rockin' blondie drills, too.

If we knew her goal was systemic change from the beginning maybe we'd feel different about her as a character. In the lens of her trying to become an alchemist as a revolutionary, lloyd being so pure would be a disappointment.

lol, Ruby's politics are as red as her hair and namesake?

 

[WillLi]

Don't worry, they're likely nobles, even if they aren't cartoonishly evil Manga Nobles - director refers to the daughter as a noblewoman. 'Humiliation' isn't defined by the intent of the person who does the humiliating, but by the feelings of the offended party; one is just as able to be humiliated by oneself or by circumstance as the actions of another. Gloating is sufficient to make Ruby feel ashamed of the vast difference in their stations in life, because it's a reminder that you have to be very conscious of not offending them, while the other direction, not so much. It's an explanation, not an excuse, and it tracks.

All the rest of that aside, I'm sure we can agree that "taking the generosity of the aristocrats for granted" might literally be the least of her offenses.

Fun note: Ruby, of course, earned her noble title with alchemy and became a "one-of-a-kind aristocraft" which, if that's a coinage by the TLs, wow, all the points, great job, love it. Hard to say if that means her specific title was unique but others also gained title through crafts, whether she's the only one who's ever earned a title by craft excellence, or, most likely, a mistranslation of the concept of non-heritable nobility, like a "life peer" in the UK.

If you're not defining humiliation by intent then there is literally nothing to discuss. Because Then it literally is 100% Ruby's fault. Because she DECIDED to be humiliated by it. And it doesn't matter what they did, it was her choice to be humiliated and she could've always chosen otherwise. Or chosen to be humiliated by the fact that she needs to breathe in order to live.

As for the nobility thing, that is likely flattery to compare her to nobles. Because it would be very weird for the lady to refer to the man as "Sir Alchemist" instead of "Sir/Lord [Blank]" if he is a noble that implies his job as an alchemist is more important than his title as a noble.

Yes we can agree this is the least of what Ruby did but my whole point is there is nothing 'sad' about this. Ruby just decided to be a gremlin and decided to hate the world. There is no "unfortunate situation" of "the only one you care about not understanding you" because none of that is happening. She is literally choosing to be difficult. Literally every one of her problems is from a decision she made while choosing to be ungrateful and spiteful. Lloyd even understands her, at least the parts that it's possible to expect to be understood.

 

[Aichan]

Before you can be forgiven, you must first apologize. Ruby never apologized, therefore, there can be no forgiveness. Smite the bitch.

 

[AnotherDuck]

"This decorative leaf has a scratch on it!"

Found someone worse than Ruby.

Tragic backstory. Still a bitch. Just lives on spite.

She became what she hated the most, so sad

She always was that spiteful. She just got more power to act it out.

Before you can be forgiven, you must first apologize. Ruby never apologized, therefore, there can be no forgiveness. Smite the bitch.

Nah, forgiving is entirely in the hands of the one doing the forgiving, not the one being forgiven. Forgiveness is given, not earned. He can forgive her for any or no reason he wants. It's up to him. Doesn't mean it wouldn't be easier if she apologised, but it doesn't decide the possibility, just the probability.

 

[Amariithynar]

Her backstory's so sad, welp moving on...

It's not even really that sad... Sure, she was an orphan which is sad, but she had good friends, good place to live, good education (she HAD HER OWN BOOKS!), she was living a privledged life herself! She's a piece of shit through and through.

I don't think we're meant to feel sad for Ruby, but to gain insight into how she became an arrogant troll sum literal monster. Well done. For a talk no jutsu chapter, there was a lot of nice parallels between past and present. The youthful fistbump promise turned into fisticuffs! Child Ruby complaining and saying there was no point in trying hard, while making a snowman of the monster she'd eventually become. Her hard work fueled by resentment, while Lloyd's was filled with gratefulness.

Best chapter of the series, imo.

Until the saint tried to make them stop fighting calling them both comrades, anyways. That's where the fear they'd actually try to redeem trash hits.

 

[Jampolo]

Bitch chooses to be miserable and then acts surprised when Lloyd doesn't turn out like her

 

[Nogon]

Never really hated her. Can't ever really hate these "childhood friends that took them for granted and have to achieve personal development" types. I always think its better for the story for these characters to be FMC/LI and to not be 1 dimensional "irredeemable abusers" that are merely a stepping stone for the Nice Girl uwu pwecious types that happen to pick up the pieces at the right time.

 

[tseng]

Does this series has a novel?
If anyone checked it could you tell us if this chapter was adapted badly or is there more backstory we are yet to see?
Because I dont see why we should feel bad about her in this backstory obviously focused on making the reader sympathize for her...
So yeah, she is an orphan and that sucks, but she was a talented girl with a good close friend, in an orphanage where most kids seemed well adjusted/non-problematic, with decent caretakers, and relatively rich people giving money to the orphanage so they apparently never had to starve.
...Al her deal seems to be about the repetitive food that she didnt like and the whole charity aspect of being an orphan making her aware of her low/unstable social situation and so, very insecure, creating her an inferiority-superiority complex... Well, that sounds tough and it truly sucks for her, but throwing shit at others acting as if you are better than them while believing everyone looks down on you to the point of snapping at them and being an ungrateful little bitch, is totally on her.
EDIT: As some of you said, maybe this chapter wasnt even made to make us sympathize with Ruby but simply make her context clear.
Because usually, this flashbacks with the villain try to justify their actions.
With Ruby... She is just a petty girl with an inferiority-superiority complex. Not sure if the author will just do the obvious and have MC talk her down into becoming good or not.

This work have a novel, but the manga is taking a different route from it, due to the current WN, in the raws at least (not sure if the translation is there yet) having a multiverse, timeloop, time travel bullshit happening, and this just happen to be one of the hinted routes the mc went through, the original route the Novel start with, Ruby actually end up a better character overall than what the manga is doing here (she get her memories back, from one of her other time line self), but doesn't matter much because it get looped back to the start