Ori no Naka - Ch. 20 - Our Little World

[Alex646]

I am disagree that Gomi isn't incel. He perfectly is. He is just not aggressive. Gomi would be a virgin forever if Yumezora didn't appear. That's what called involuntarily celibacy.

 

[HSK]

hentai situations re-enacted in reality... now when does that ugly bastard enter the scene

 

[MaybeAFewMinsIDK]

Why is everyone talking like that is something inevitable about to happen inform me please

 

[ZeroBADartS]

im calling it, shes gonna get blacked mailed about this and 🍇

 

[gravreverse]

this is nice
imma just enjoy it

 

[GG334]

she is lovebombing the living fuck out of him this isnt going to end well LOL

 

[NutritionalValue]

Waiting for the husband to make an appearance next chapter because he tracked her phone or something.

 

[Robertinho]

Estranho d+ isso

 

[darth.esmarelda]

Bro is getting tortured next drop

 

[Late_Komei]

Why is everyone talking like that is something inevitable about to happen inform me please

Can't expect the good times to last forever. The relationship could get exposed( and it will, without a doubt), she might grow bored of Gomi or she will ask him to something more immoral and it's going to test Gomi's resolve on how he should handle the situation.

 

[dsfargeg]

Why is anyone in this thread throwing around the word "incel" like it still means something? I've seen dudes married with kids called incel.

 

[Gilthwixt]

Why is anyone in this thread throwing around the word "incel" like it still means something? I've seen dudes married with kids called incel.

People throwing the word around in contexts that don't make sense is exactly the problem, it's how we get the guy in an earlier comment who thinks hating women and blaming them is required by definition. That's why you have the other comment pointing out that originally, all "incel" meant was an abbreviation for "involuntary celibate", i.e. someone that couldn't get laid if they tried. That's it. The misogyny and resentment are presumed but not required, and anyone using it to describe misogynists who are married with children is an idiot using the wrong word for which there are dozens of alternatives.

 

[Bonzalez]

People throwing the word around in contexts that don't make sense is exactly the problem, it's how we get the guy in an earlier comment who thinks hating women and blaming them is required by definition. That's why you have the other comment pointing out that originally, all "incel" meant was an abbreviation for "involuntary celibate", i.e. someone that couldn't get laid if they tried. That's it. The misogyny and resentment are presumed but not required, and anyone using it to describe misogynists who are married with children is an idiot using the wrong word for which there are dozens of alternatives.

The issue is that online incel communities have spread their philosophy and terminology out into the mainstream so now guys who don't fit the definition of someone who's involuntarily celibate are still espousing incel-like talking points, leaving the rest of us with the issue of how to refer to these guys

 

[pink_rabbit]

People throwing the word around in contexts that don't make sense is exactly the problem, it's how we get the guy in an earlier comment who thinks hating women and blaming them is required by definition. That's why you have the other comment pointing out that originally, all "incel" meant was an abbreviation for "involuntary celibate", i.e. someone that couldn't get laid if they tried. That's it. The misogyny and resentment are presumed but not required, and anyone using it to describe misogynists who are married with children is an idiot using the wrong word for which there are dozens of alternatives.

Except he has paid for sex. He has paid sex workers to lose his virginity. That doesn't make any sense to use the incel definition unless it's changed in definition such as the term "gooner" used to mean a stupid, aggressive person and now it means pervert/fapping.

Google states the definition of an incel is: a member of an online community of young men who consider themselves unable to attract women sexually, typically associated with views that are hostile toward women and men who are sexually active.

 

[soda_bunny]

This was a really good compare/contrast chapter!

Some key similarities I saw between the MCs:

1. Both are highly sensitive individuals with strong empathic abilities

2. Both are prone to romanticism and flights of fancy, shown by their openess to kink and shared interest in fiction.

3. Both feel the standards they are expected to live up to are unfair but also hate not being able to do so.

4. Both are immature and prone to deception. Gomi had a sexual obsession with a children's media character and struggles to have age-appropriate interactions, resorting to violating Yumezora's privacy, which is a serious crime.
Yumezora both consumes primarily shojo stories and dresses in Jirai-kei on her off time, a style that emphasizes youthfulness and is associated with people that are emotionally underdeveloped. She has shown emotional and sexual manipulation and has blackmailed Gomi and is cheating on her husband.

Key differences:

1. Gomi is actually kind of an optimist. He can't stand idelized shonen but enjoys seinen manga (crucially, it's meant for ADULTS) that depict relatable, flawed protags that are eventually able to grow and have a realistically happy outcome. He believes in happy endings, and potentially romantc relationships in a grounded way.

2. Yumezora is more cynical. only states she consumes shojo manga (meant for CHILDREN) but also hates it. She explicitly states happy endings are not real, and doesn't believe in any alternative to the idealized romanticism of children's media.
She seems to think all she can do is revel in being desired by a man, but struggles to find self-worth any other way.

 

[orochijes]

Annoying ideological zealot nerds will insist for pages and pages and pages of random comment sections that their ideological zealot redefinitions of useful neutral terms are henceforth the only way they shall be used. No, I won't be going along with this theft of language for your ideological holy war. Incel is short for Involuntarily Celibate.

 

[Wishkar]

Even though wicked, it all is too good. Seems like we gonna suffer in a few chapters

 

[Rafalga]

I am disagree that Gomi isn't incel. He perfectly is. He is just not aggressive. Gomi would be a virgin forever if Yumezora didn't appear. That's what called involuntarily celibacy.

Yes, he is the true definition of the word. Not the current "those people i don't like" iteration.

 

[Gilthwixt]

The issue is that online incel communities have spread their philosophy and terminology out into the mainstream so now guys who don't fit the definition of someone who's involuntarily celibate are still espousing incel-like talking points, leaving the rest of us with the issue of how to refer to these guys

We already had a word for that community/viewpoint before incel even became a thing. It was called Blackpill, as an offshoot of the greater Redpill community. If you just want a term that refers to the broader landscape of misogynist manchildren we now have "Manosphere" for that.

 

[dsfargeg]

People throwing the word around in contexts that don't make sense is exactly the problem, it's how we get the guy in an earlier comment who thinks hating women and blaming them is required by definition. That's why you have the other comment pointing out that originally, all "incel" meant was an abbreviation for "involuntary celibate", i.e. someone that couldn't get laid if they tried. That's it. The misogyny and resentment are presumed but not required, and anyone using it to describe misogynists who are married with children is an idiot using the wrong word for which there are dozens of alternatives.

Words only mean what the speaker intends them to mean, just how "Nazi" only means "person who disagrees with me" or "White." Incel nowadays is primarily a way to say someone's beliefs make them low status. It had a different meaning at one point, but the way people use it the meaning is "person with low-status beliefs," so that's the definition of the word.

This is, unfortunately, how words work. They don't hold meaning themselves, they're tools the speaker use to make the listener mentally look at certain things.