Osoraku Kanojo wa Ore no Aniki wo Neratteru - Ch. 16

[Follarin-kun]

you know the chapter was good when the comment section is this lively

 

[JoeKerr]

 

[Graywing]

Damn, two steps forward five steps back. Really going that he will eventually meet her halfway. Don't want this to be a series where she has to carry everything. Thanks for the chapter!!!

 

[phorx]

It can be spun in a way that his brother is trying to help him get past his trauma. Like if Rei thinks to himself "I know that this girl is actually interested in Tohno and not in me because I saw them at the sports festival, so I should help her get closer to him so that he realises that girls are not all bad". Even though giving away someone else's contact info is usually a pretty rude thing to do (and for that reason I don't think Houjou would ask Rei and I don't think he would give the info if she did), in this situation I think it could be a big help.

And I don't agree at all that Houjou merely interacting with Rei to ask about Tohno would confirm Tohno's fears. Context is important. He fears girls trying to use him to get closer to Rei, but Houjou using Rei to get close to Tohno is an exact reversal of that. If she's interested in Rei, why would she bother to get Tohno's contact info from Rei and then use it to talk to Tohno instead of just talking to Rei directly? That's the opposite of what he'd expect. Tohno isn't going to start suspecting Houjou of foul play if she literally just asks Rei for Tohno's details and then ignores Rei after that.

I think you’re underestimating Tohno’s trauma in regards to women and trust. Also keep in mind that Houjou doesn’t really know about that history either.

Why would Houjou even go that far to get his line ID behind his back? What’s the best case scenario there?

He won’t react well to unsolicited messages when he didn’t share his details himself. It would only make him more suspicious. Why? Because that’s probably happened to him before too, and it ended badly.

If his brother actually wanted to help Tohno, who has a lot of trust issues, you’d hope he’d do it properly. That means never going through the back door or trying to be clever or sneaky.

Trust is built by being honest and following through earnestly. People who play games need not apply.

 

[Wizardrone]

idk this too much drama

edit: about exchanging contacts
thanks for chapter

 

[WiseOldKing]

She at least repent and actually stop another stupid girl doing something she regret to. she even rooting for MC.

she might have ulterior motives as she thinking she helping her future bro in law but facts she care about MC too, not just his bro make her better than rest of the girls that used MC.

yup weirdly enuf she grew on me for protecting em

 

[HunterCO]

Damn those girls really fucked him up
Lol she became a wingwomen

 

[UdenEmpati]

I think you’re underestimating Tohno’s trauma in regards to women and trust. Also keep in mind that Houjou doesn’t really know about that history either.

Why would Houjou even go that far to get his line ID behind his back? What’s the best case scenario there?

He won’t react well to unsolicited messages when he didn’t share his details himself. It would only make him more suspicious. Why? Because that’s probably happened to him before too, and it ended badly.

If his brother actually wanted to help Toujou, who has a lot of trust issues, you’d hope he’d do it properly. That means never going through the back door or trying to be clever or sneaky.

Trust is built by being honest and following through earnestly. People who play games need not apply.

Bolded part is literally showcased in this chapter - those three wanted to go through Houjou, to get to Tohno, to get to Rei.

That right there indicates that your guess about "random unsolicited messages" could easily have transpired before.

Tohno's got extremely justified reasons for all of his behavior toward Houjou this entire time.
Is it unfair to her? Sure, from our perspective as the reader.
But Tohno is acting precisely how I think many would in his situation with his circumstances and history, and the authenticity behind this aspect of the story is actually pretty well done, in my view.

 

[Eycaj]

I feel like his character should have developed past this behavior by now in regard to Houjou.

You're allowed to be traumatized, yeah, but Tohno has little regard for how he's hurting Houjou. She's constantly getting stone-walled for shit she didn't do to him, nor has she ever shown signs of doing to him.

I really wanna empathize with Tohno, but he's spent a lot of this series being insufferable. This just feels like author-forced drama, and it really doesn't work for me.

Imagine you're trying to get closer to someone, and every time you try to, you're met with nothing, or even outright denial. That shit will get to you.

 

[Vergift]

Damn, author remembered the premise? Should have used these setups way way earlier. This was how most of their interaction should have gone from the get go. Now it has a chance to become interesting again but not holding my breath.

Also some of you guys here might be legit sociopaths. How hard are you self inserting to tell him to man up? God damn. Can't expect much from romcom slop addicts who want to read the same story and spam the same retarded comments 54623462nd time in row i guess. Fucking freaks

Case in point below.

This is actually the perfect timing. The relationship between these is slowly progressing. The series sowed they were getting closer bit by bit, and Tohno slowly trusting Houjou to not be the same as others girls. But he's still keep some distance between them because he's scared to get hurt if he gets closer.

Sharing contact info that mean they were getting closer. That also means a possibilities to get hurt again.

 

[ActuallyArma]

I feel like his character should have developed past this behavior by now in regard to Houjou.

You're allowed to be traumatized, yeah, but Tohno has little regard for how he's hurting Houjou. She's constantly getting stone-walled for shit she didn't do to him, nor has she ever shown signs of doing to him.

I really wanna empathize with Tohno, but he's spent a lot of this series being insufferable. This just feels like author-forced drama, and it really doesn't work for me.

I feel like you're missing something important and perhaps should re-read the chapters that have come out.
For (practically) Tohno's entire life he's been used to get to his brother in some way, shape or form. Be it through friendship, gifts, even exchanging contact information. It has n e v e r been to be friends with or close to him.

So, even though he and Houjou have gotten closer (albeit slowly), that's not going to suddenly get rid of years of trauma and distrust. What the mind does to protect itself, even in situations where it's perfectly safe already, is an unimaginable thing to come to terms with. Especially when he obviously has not come to terms with it, or really even challenged that trauma and distrust before now.

I think that he has been slowly letting his guard down with and around Houjou. Which is what makes this whole scenario all the more understandable and believable, imo. Look at pages 14 and 15, he completely shuts down and has to remove himself from that situation. Even if he doesn't actually believe she's like that, his defenses can't help but to react that way because that's all he's ever known.

I imagine what we're going to see next is him trying to develop past it, but to say that he already has? Definitely not.

 

[Darkshade13]

Dude! (Making assumptions here, but just like Tohno, I have tons of statistics to support this assumption.)
He has literally NO cases where persons of the female persuasion have approached him out of literally anything but thirst for his big brother. Why would he ever think Houjou is different?
And it's not like it's just history. It keeps happening all the time. The best thing for him would be if the brother switched to another school (or maybe Tohno himself did that? Probably more efficient ...)
So if someone doesn't immediately trigger the red "fxck-she's-aiming-for-bro-via-me" alert, that someone will still be flagged as a girl who hasn't YET asked for his brother's contact info, etc.
I think he would need someone to actively tell him that she isn't interested in his brother, and even then, Tohno would be wary for quite a while.
Alternatively, Houjou could tell his brother that she is totally uninterested in him, and ask him (the bro) to tell his kid brother she is aiming for him (Tohno). That might work better?

I'll answer this because at least you're not being a jerk for no reason like the other guy was:

I am aware of the intent of the plot and the nature of the characters. I'm not dumb. My original post (which I have deleted because honestly I don't need the constant alerts of the "dumb" or "strike" reactions because people don't like what I had to say when I'm not really interested in continuing the discussion) was just meant to be a silly joke. I'm not here for the trauma-projecting "he's just like me fr" stuff or over-analyzing what is tagged to be a comedy manga. Just because I understand the characterization or plot intent doesn't mean that I need to engage with it on that intense of an emotional level, nor does it make me somehow lesser than others who are viewing their own loneliness or isolation through the lens of Tohno's reaction to Houjou (again, this isn't about you doing anything, just why I'm choosing not to really drag this out). I do have thoughts that would respond to this whole train of thought about fault and Tohno's complicity/culpability in how he gets treated but I'm not interested in sharing them because I really don't want to get sucked in to this whole discussion

Apologies for sorta dumping this on you, it just seemed like maybe the only opportunity I would have to do so and I figured that I could at least give you the courtesy of a reasonable response for not opening with some patronizing BS. Have a good day.

 

[spawnknight]

His own brother is oblivious to his entire issue though, not a single chapter showed that he is aware, in fact I think that the black haired girl from the sports fest that talked to Rei is more aware of the issues at hand than Rei himself, hence his lack of action on it, hell MC's friends are the ones giving him the emotional support he needs because his entire family is a joke at this point.

Which begs the question: why the fuck Tonho never mention this to his brother when it started?

 

[praisejesus]

I'm honestly really starting to like Hasegawa. When she's not foaming at the mouth over Touno's bro, she's really endearing.

 

[mtfunky]

Must be rough family

 

[drEJ]

Must be interesting to engage this superficially with stuff, bereft of any comprehension as to why characters do the things they do within the narrative.

LMAO

 

[kokuhou]

generational fumble 😭😭😭

 

[drEJ]

well that's awfully gay of you to say that about Urara
I wish the two of you many happy fanworks together

I love Yuri as much as the next person, but let's also normalise platonic love, yeah?

 

[r33s3]

Ugh Tohnoooo 😭 this is quickly becoming one of my favs. Emotion-dense

 

[grumbles]

Tohno
Man tf up

My dude, just because you understand the situation doesn't mean he does. Being lied to constantly for someone elses affections puts guards on a person. AND having close relationship with said person makes things feel worse when "alleged" betrayal happens. We are third person observers who understand this is probably a legitimate question from her, but hes been hurt countless times, why would he trust her?