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[Khazar123]

Actually, slavery might be quite profitable for individuals (exploiters), especially if labor is low-skill and environment is harsh. Slaves would require a bare minimum to keep them in a work-able condition, while employed laborers would demand more than just enough to get by.
Of course, for economy as a whole, it's inefficient, but there are reasons slavery was around for so long in some kind of form.

Not just "was" around, it still is around. Of course there was a big abolishment around the world, but that doesn't mean the whole world got rid of it.

Some people even sneakily did it in the UK/US and got caught, 2 times I noticed the news about those cases, there might be more.

And there are other places around the world that still have slavery in its old form alive.

Also some people would call the worst parts of late stage capitalism something akin to slavery.

 

[HunterCO]

Ah yes the isekai slavery cliche

 

[Don_Sal917]

Said it before and i'll say it again, Japan REAAAAALLLLLY needs to have a long hard discussion about all the slavery in their fantasy manga. it's quite concerning.

 

[ciera]

Thank you for the release

 

[tomtom78]

Pages 25 and 26 were so embarrassing to read lmao

 

[Wolvenworks]

I didn’t know that the comment section is now an international airport, what with all the departures announced.

 

[Mad_Lupine]

Man, not saying this manga was amazing or anything but it was a fun read. Dropped.

 

[BeepingCat]

They could have found her dying in an alley but nooooooooooooo! Gotta go to the slave market!

 

[Azurekyte]

I don't really care when a manga author brings out the slave trope (I guess it's just so common that I'm surprised when they don't bring out that trope) but it's always funny to see when people start posting their wikipedia keyboard warrior rants.

Good job having an opinion, no one cares if you're dropping the manga, go find one of the rare good manga that don't use that tired slave trope.

Don't waste your time arguing with people about fictional slavery. If you really wanna be an activist go rant somewhere where it might actually make a difference. Just don't be like those creepy fanbases that send death threats to authors, that's not helpful.

 

[Iskarioth]

Jesus fckin Christ! Can you people please stop reading manga if fictional slavery offends you this much? I'm so tired of random anonymous internet people signaling to other faceless internet people how great of a moral character they are by telling the world how a 2D story depicting something "bad" offends them.

Makes me wonder why you aren't going " murder bad, theft bad, coercion bad, violence bad, rape bad etc" in every comment section? Almost like you can separate reality from fiction unless you want headpats by strangers for your frail egos. It's getting really old. And spares us the BS arguments when you type on maschines that are in all likeihood manifactured by chinese slaves from materials that real life slaves probably dug out of the ground with their hands. I don't see any of you doing anything about actual slavery in Africa, China or the middle east. So stop pretending like a story has any negative consequences on the mind of gullible readers.

Edit: fck it, make it mandatory for Mangas to have one slave chapter each to weed out the retards who cannot separate fiction from reality.

 

[Eighty-six]

Its so dumb. Its not the fact that slavery exists it the participation of it all. I really needed this slave chapter to tell me that Dion isn't like those other slave owners and he's super good. trash.

We didn't need to read you demonstrate how you're a "regular"/"good" person for being agitated over the story demonstrating that Dion isn't like all the other slave owners and he's super good, either.

But here we are, in a comment section brimming with people posturing about how slavery is totes icky, who actually know so little about the institution as it's existed in history that they don't know that manumission was frequently a separate process on account of historical chattel slavery often designating slaves as a class onto themselves with certain legal disabilities, or who don't realize that just releasing a slave without allowing them any usable labor skills-- whether or not you properly manumit them-- would make them liable to remake themselves a slave if they don't want to starve to death. They even struggle to have the wherewithal to recognize that someone born in a society with a slave underclass, with no contrasting cultural reference, is far more likely to process slavery-- and even its cruelties-- as a mundane life feature. Just, "some people are enslaved or born as slaves, and I wasn't".

 

[Solipsist]

Said it before and i'll say it again, Japan REAAAAALLLLLY needs to have a long hard discussion about all the slavery in their fantasy manga. it's quite concerning.

I was really pleasantly suprised to see the amount of pushback against this trope in this chapter. Usually I only see one or two, but it feels like 80% of the comments are about how much distasteful this trope is in manga (and the fact that "slavery in isekai" is a trope to begin with, is......Yeah...)
GJ ya'll.
Personally, though, this shit is so common that I can just mentally ignore it, because I do enjoy other shit about the manga overall.....As long as the author is not completely braindead, and does not dead-centers on slavery as a plot thread, and focuses on how bad and grueling it is as a system <_<

I don't really care when a manga author brings out the slave trope (I guess it's just so common that I'm surprised when they don't bring out that trope) but it's always funny to see when people start posting their wikipedia keyboard warrior rants.

Good job having an opinion, no one cares if you're dropping the manga, go find one of the rare good manga that don't use that tired slave trope.

I'm always shocked when people make these sort of comments.
Not because of the devil's advocate for slvery, but the sheer audacity of saying: "Nobody cares what you say in a comments section", while writing a comment in a comments section.
Why even bother writing any of that, then? That's remarkable cognitive dissonance.

We didn't need to read you demonstrate how you're a "regular"/"good" person for being agitated over the story demonstrating that Dion isn't like all the other slave owners and he's super good, either.

But here we are, in a comment section brimming with people posturing about how slavery is totes icky....

Like, again with guys like this.
1. People write their opinions in a comments (opinion) section, this is not a crazy thing to do.
2. The problem here isn't that "the MC is being a good boy and acts to better a slave's life", it's that the author chose to insert slavery into their story to begin with.
2.1. also, the MC is not an activist. He does not go around buying slaves just to free them. That's false equivalency and you know it.

What were you guys even trying to fight here? Trying to be edge lords by going against the grain, when you see that most people here got sick and tired from seeing SLAVERY featured in our "feel good" (big quotes) isekai escapism story? Like, really, god forbid...
I shouldn't even engage with any of you on this, I just got such a whiplash from it.

P.S: and just to make a point, from a literary point of view, it'd feel a lot better if the MC happened to find a homeless girl, and arbitrarily chose to help her.
Are there plenty of orphans and hungry kids in their world? Yes, of course. Is helping just one not really solving the issue? Obviously, of course.
But the point here is not the moral grandstanding of the MC and his ability to systemtically play the role of jesus christ or mother teresa. It's doing what he can do, with things that are within his reach.
It's a much more "feel good" moment, with signfinically less problematic elements, to help a "cursed homeless girl", than to insert slavery into a story, just for the sake of having a convenient "feel good moment" and "covenient character" that's easy to insert.

 

[Eighty-six]

Man, not saying this manga was amazing or anything but it was a fun read. Dropped.

I know you blotted out the word "isekai" but you are still comparing apples and pears in this regard. Never mind that Naofumi's social pariah status (which has long-reaching consequences for his general character) put him in a position where he had to rely on slave labor because he couldn't at all get regular help like the other Cardinal Heroes.

Not only that, John Brown didn't accomplish anything except getting his own allies killed. He couldn't start the slave rebellion he wanted because not many slaves joined. Even if he did, they lived in a context where they would have just been re-enslaved if not killed.

1. People write their opinions in a comments (opinion) section, this is not a crazy thing to do.

Yes, and I wrote my opinion about their opinions. Specifically, I charged that their opinions are poorly premised, don't understand historical slavery and are-- especially in the case of the guy I was directly responding to-- ironically as ostentatious as the ostenatation they're criticizing in the story.

It wasn't to argue that slavery is good. It was to criticize the failure to seriously discuss the evil that is slavery.

2. The problem here isn't that "the MC is being a good boy and acts to better a slave's life", it's that the author chose to insert slavery into their story to begin with.

Right, and part of my opinion is that this trope is mundane for a pre-industrial setting, which is part of why it features so often pseudo-medieval fantasy manga.

2.1. also, the MC is not an activist. He does not go around buying slaves just to free them. That's false equivalency and you know it.

I never implied he was, or that this healing of the future slave was what this was about. There is no false equivalency to criticize.

What were you guys even trying to fight here? Trying to be edge lords by going against the grain, when you see that most people here got sick and tired from seeing SLAVERY featured in our "feel good" (big quotes) isekai escapism story? Oh no, perish the thought, god forbid.

You talking about some "our" and you don't even recognize this is a fantasy and not an isekai-- didn't even read the tags. Almost certainly didn't read the first chapter to see that this guy was born here and didn't suddenly regain his memories of his previous life.

But that checks out-- just like you didn't read the tags, you didn't actually read my comment to know what exactly I was "trying to fight".

 

[Solipsist]

You talking about some "our" and you don't even recognize this is a fantasy and not an isekai-- didn't even read the tags. Almost certainly didn't read the first chapter to see that this guy was born here and didn't suddenly regain his memories of his previous life.

I'll just refer to this, and say: I feel like I'm not alone, when I say that, it has become significantly easier to treat the tag "isekai" as: "low effort fantasy jap stories". Without the good art, this one would be pretty mid.
I read the entire thing and following up on the series, stop trying to act so high and mighty, christ. You really trying to treat this story as if it's a proper medieval, historical drama, when it's just low-effort fantasy. No need to pretend so much.

 

[Iskarioth]

Man, not saying this manga was amazing or anything but it was a fun read. Dropped.

Maybe we should crowd fund a one way ticket to China so you can actually do some good, huh? Put you heart felt convictions to the test together with the other teary eyed brave commenters in this section.

 

[Eighty-six]

I'll just refer to this, and say: I feel like I'm not alone, when I say that, it has become significantly easier to treat the tag "isekai" as: "low effort fantasy jap stories".

No, it hasn't. "Isekai" refers to a specific trope and a continuum of scenarios actualizing said trope. People who discuss anime and manga generally care about that, and hardly anyone makes that conflation in those discussions without being made into a spectacle for trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

You just didn't read the tags, and probably didn't read the manga itself.

You really trying to treat this story as if it's a proper medieval, historical drama

You keep commenting on things I never said, while acting like I said them-- and then you accuse me of acting "high and mighty" despite this.

This is the second time that I have to tell you that I did not even insinuate something you charged me with saying. Of course it isn't "proper medieval, historical drama"-- people are shooting fire and lightning out of their fingertips.

The leverage of the notion of historical slavery (quality in representation notwithstanding), in a fantasy story that takes place in a pre-modern and pseudo-medieval setting, does not indicate any intention of period accuracy. It's a thing that gets tacked on to make it feel more medieval.

 

[Tsumi]

Talk about her age was confusing. The way she explained made it look like she is not adult yet, but even with that, it still looks like she is still considered mature by everyone ("Even her responses are so mature...").

Children can act mature for their age depending on their life experiences, especially if they've been in harsh environments. That doesn't mean they are fully mature though. This is just the author's attempt to lazily add in a legal loli while still having an out since she will eventually look like an adult. Would've been better to have a dwarf that will be small in stature at adulthood for an acceptable legal loli. Instead, this elf age shenanigan just throws everything into a gray area since we don't have any information about elf biology in this world.

 

[HawkGoggles]

We didn't need to read you demonstrate how you're a "regular"/"good" person for being agitated over the story demonstrating that Dion isn't like all the other slave owners and he's super good, either.

But here we are, in a comment section brimming with people posturing about how slavery is totes icky, who actually know so little about the institution as it's existed in history that they don't know that manumission was frequently a separate process on account of historical chattel slavery often designating slaves as a class onto themselves with certain legal disabilities, or who don't realize that just releasing a slave without allowing them any usable labor skills-- whether or not you properly manumit them-- would make them liable to remake themselves a slave if they don't want to starve to death. They even struggle to have the wherewithal to recognize that someone born in a society with a slave underclass, with no contrasting cultural reference, is far more likely to process slavery-- and even its cruelties-- as a mundane life feature. Just, "some people are enslaved or born as slaves, and I wasn't".

Why do you guys like slavery so much? No on hates the idea of it being explored in a story, people just hate the fact that most of these protagonist that you're supposed to think are good and just would participate in it. It'd be one thing if were were fallowing an asshole protag but we're not. DION, who did not try to kill the people that actively tired murder him, went out and bought a slave. That says something. Its says that this story is virtue signaling harder than these comments are because the writer doesn't believe in any of the shit he's writing.

"I'm out to buy a slave but I need to make sure I get a GOOD one and not a CRIMINAL" Now watch as super benevolent Dion saves this slave's life while ALSO getting a good DEAL.

Why is the good boy portga scoffing at and participating in the monetary exchange of life? "But this is just the world he lives in." Every body of power knows the wrong they are committing for the sake of their own betterment. Slavery isn't bad now just because its the current year. This little girl could have been a slave to some bandits and them saving her could have been better than this. They didn't go down there to free a slave, they went down there to find a maid and then they'll set them free later.

But even narrative, slavery is a cheap writing device. Because it should be used as a cheap way to show us how good our protagonist is but its used to get people (mostly woman) to trust (mostly fall in love) with our protag by doing the bare minimum. MY bare minimum isn't to not have slavery in my works, its for my characters to not participate in it. I don't need "Slave Owner Slayer" the manga but these nice guy protags could at the very least, not buy a slave.

 

[Eighty-six]

This is just the author's attempt to lazily add in a legal loli while still having an out since she will eventually look like an adult.

But the author doesn't need that out. She could actually be a child loli, and the 16 years old Dion could be encroached upon by her (he wouldn't do the pursuing anyhow, let's be for real), and they'd still be able to print that to an audience that would probably eat that up. Actually, how old is Dion?

The actual conceit is juxtaposition. Juxtaposition between her being very much older than Dion in age, while also very much not looking it at first glance. Juxtaposition between her age and her appearance by themselves.

It opens up a number of possibilities-- if she gains a romantic attachment to Dion, this is an older woman coming onto a younger man BUT she doesn't look old at all and in fact looks younger than him. Maybe she uses this to her advantage to get close to him, or maybe she resents that she does so. Maybe she has an inferiority complex because of her less developed body, even in comparison to the younger Yuki.

Or, maybe she doesn't gain romantic attachment for him-- either before she evolves or even after the fact. If she does after the fact, then maybe she goes on the offensive because of how well she was treated by him in her un-evolved state. If she doesn't, maybe her mannerisms of platonic affection don't change after she evolves (like Nel from Bleach). Maybe she'll have wisdom or perspective as someone who's lived 26 years, or some esoteric knowledge, that we don't normally attribute to someone of her physical stature. Maybe she gets into shenanigans or one-off slapstick moments that involve her being confused for a child.

Anyhow... I'm certain not many people producing or consuming this work in Japan are concerned about the ethics in fapping as they pertain to a doodle that is objectively months old from its first publication.

 

[mushroomers]

If Dion is already planning on releasing her from being a slave in the future, why does she need to be a slave now?

If shes a slave he doesnt have to pay her and can instead take care of her needs. Also Im assuming the collar is a magical form of ID which might deter ppl from messing with her