S-Rank Monster no Behemoth Dakedo, Neko to Machigawarete Erufu Musume no Kishi (Pet) Toshite Kurashitemasu - Vol. 1 Ch. 5 - Imminent danger
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It's a pure comedy and there's no real story besides the oft overshadowed "defeat the demon king."
The main cast entirely misfits who aren't overpowered nor (edit: typical protagonists). Objectively, it does not follow the same ideals most isekai run on. Thus, mold breaker. It was just an example of one, my guy, choose anything you wish to use in its place.
It's a pure comedy and there's no real story besides the oft overshadowed "defeat the demon king."
The main cast entirely misfits who aren't overpowered nor (edit: typical protagonists). Objectively, it does not follow the same ideals most isekai run on. Thus, mold breaker. It was just an example of one, my guy, choose anything you wish to use in its place.
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Oh sweet. An isekai argument. I'd actually argue that you can count on *two* hands isekais that are decent (what's this? Someone who has an inkling of faith in this block standard genre?). If you want to find isekais that were actually written decently, I'd look into the first isekais to come up with a new trend. What we're seeing 90% of the time are bland rip-offs of isekais that have already been written. To give a few examples of these:
1. Block Standard adventurer isekai: Musokou Tensei was the first. You can give it shit, but most things were given some thought before being executed.
2. Revenge Boner Isekai:
Shield Hero and Aferita are examples. Not a fan of this genre ngl. Evil for revenge's sake isn't my cup of tea. Common trope here.
3. Reincarnated Monster:
Slime Tensei, Kumo Desu, and Re: Monster are the earliest big examples. Not a fan of the last one, but I can't deny that the author was decent despite my cripes about the "plot". Slime Tensei had an excellent start but got overly-complex. Kumo arguably had the same problem. Biggest flaw is escalation.
4. Isekai Otome game:
Bakarina and Duke's Daughter are the earliest big names I can think of. This one is my favorite since the character focus forces authors to have some kind of depth to their characters. Authors get a lot of freedom if they have their characters break away from the main plot line too.
Overall: the grand majority of Isekai is shit because they copy what works. The first ones to work are generally what you should look for if you're looking for decent writing. There are some that don't follow this trend of course, but they're rare. Isekai Paladin, and Grimgar are examples off the top of my head. Others I havent mentioned but would suggest are Evil God Average and Bathroom Goddess. Both of these loosely fall under Isekai Slice of life
1. Block Standard adventurer isekai: Musokou Tensei was the first. You can give it shit, but most things were given some thought before being executed.
2. Revenge Boner Isekai:
Shield Hero and Aferita are examples. Not a fan of this genre ngl. Evil for revenge's sake isn't my cup of tea. Common trope here.
3. Reincarnated Monster:
Slime Tensei, Kumo Desu, and Re: Monster are the earliest big examples. Not a fan of the last one, but I can't deny that the author was decent despite my cripes about the "plot". Slime Tensei had an excellent start but got overly-complex. Kumo arguably had the same problem. Biggest flaw is escalation.
4. Isekai Otome game:
Bakarina and Duke's Daughter are the earliest big names I can think of. This one is my favorite since the character focus forces authors to have some kind of depth to their characters. Authors get a lot of freedom if they have their characters break away from the main plot line too.
Overall: the grand majority of Isekai is shit because they copy what works. The first ones to work are generally what you should look for if you're looking for decent writing. There are some that don't follow this trend of course, but they're rare. Isekai Paladin, and Grimgar are examples off the top of my head. Others I havent mentioned but would suggest are Evil God Average and Bathroom Goddess. Both of these loosely fall under Isekai Slice of life
@AbuHajaar You need to reacquaint yourself with the concept of a straw man. I have not created any sort of impression that I was addressing Vasqueztion's argument about the overuse of tropes. Instead, I started a wholly new argument that could be considered tangential at best due to finding fault with the validity of one of Vasqueztion's assumptions. Even if that assumption was invalid as I implied, it still would not affect the persuasiveness of Vasqueztion's argument. (Well, unless it manages to kill Vasqueztion's ethos, but if people stop believing the argument because of that, that would be an association fallacy)
@Vasqueztion I'd argue that the protagonist is the typical unsympathetic comedy protagonist.
@Tyizor EGA and Bathroom Goddess are great series, IMO.
@Vasqueztion I'd argue that the protagonist is the typical unsympathetic comedy protagonist.
@Tyizor EGA and Bathroom Goddess are great series, IMO.
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@Vasqueztion I would say parody, but there are several that do it too, including Makikomarete and Tanaka.
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I.. think AbuHajaar was referring to the antagonist of our present chapter/story...
Also, of course he's the "typical unsympathetic comedy protagonist," he's the straight-man archetype.
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I applaud your effort in going through and naming/describing predominate stories in the field. "I see you're a man of culture as well" meme.
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I wouldn't say no to Konosuba (Assuming that's what you are talking about) labeled as a parody. But I don't see Tanaka (again, assuming wizard) nor Makikomarete as parodies.
But you'd have to give me your definition of parody for me to understand your point.
"An imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect."
I.. think AbuHajaar was referring to the antagonist of our present chapter/story...
Also, of course he's the "typical unsympathetic comedy protagonist," he's the straight-man archetype.
@Tyizor
I applaud your effort in going through and naming/describing predominate stories in the field. "I see you're a man of culture as well" meme.
@boag
I wouldn't say no to Konosuba (Assuming that's what you are talking about) labeled as a parody. But I don't see Tanaka (again, assuming wizard) nor Makikomarete as parodies.
But you'd have to give me your definition of parody for me to understand your point.
"An imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect."
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@Vasqueztion tyvm. As much as I shit on the isekai tropes, definitely one of the genres I enjoy the most. I see you're a man of culture as well :v MonikaBestGril
@youseiki I'll check it out. Is it based on the Chinese warring states?
@GodGinrai Definitely two of my favorites. It's a pity they're not that popular. They're more "fluffy" stories, but even then they give their stories more thought than 90% of the stuff I've seen in isekai.
@youseiki I'll check it out. Is it based on the Chinese warring states?
@GodGinrai Definitely two of my favorites. It's a pity they're not that popular. They're more "fluffy" stories, but even then they give their stories more thought than 90% of the stuff I've seen in isekai.
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I have to say that Arifureta really isn't good, especially when it's revealed that all of his character progression from the first dungeon was actually just him modeling his behavior after some chunni character he thought up and him cringing whenever anyone points that out to him. Plus, the villains are the kind that we are now complaining about.
Anyway, there's a few that I could add to the list that I think qualify as genuinely good isekai, but aside from Because the Janitor is not a Hero and The Faraway Paladin they aren't coming to mind right now.
I'd also like to point out that the published version of Shield hero really lay's off the revenge fantasy. It starts off more poking criticizing the typical readers of isekai then moves one with the plot.
I have to say that Arifureta really isn't good, especially when it's revealed that all of his character progression from the first dungeon was actually just him modeling his behavior after some chunni character he thought up and him cringing whenever anyone points that out to him. Plus, the villains are the kind that we are now complaining about.
Anyway, there's a few that I could add to the list that I think qualify as genuinely good isekai, but aside from Because the Janitor is not a Hero and The Faraway Paladin they aren't coming to mind right now.
I'd also like to point out that the published version of Shield hero really lay's off the revenge fantasy. It starts off more poking criticizing the typical readers of isekai then moves one with the plot.
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@Vasqueztion ah come on, if not parodies at least subversions.
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I added afiritia to the list purely because it was somehow at the forefront of that subgenre. I have a shit ton of complaints about it and don't even get me started on how *rail guns don't fucking work that way*. Of the Revenge Boner genre the only one I found particularly OK was Shield hero and even then I had a lot of complaints.
I added afiritia to the list purely because it was somehow at the forefront of that subgenre. I have a shit ton of complaints about it and don't even get me started on how *rail guns don't fucking work that way*. Of the Revenge Boner genre the only one I found particularly OK was Shield hero and even then I had a lot of complaints.
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