S-Rank Monster no Behemoth Dakedo, Neko to Machigawarete Erufu Musume no Kishi (Pet) Toshite Kurashitemasu - Vol. 5 Ch. 27 - Incident on The Way

[marianolinx]

Nice

 

[YoshidaItsuka]

@Asa-senpai

I swear every male this artist draws looks like the most sinister villain alive

Not everyone doe, how about the gay knight from the earlier chapters?

 

[Miyuki]

I've spent too long reading sub par translations, didn't even notice all the mistakes in this chapter till i read the comments

 

[Eldau]

@RanmaChaos
I didn't know the novel was being translated by WordExerpt, however as a general note, they are rather prone to getting their novels taken down and deleted as per DMCA and cease and desist requests, so they may very well have received one since Yen Press is licensing the Light Novel

I looked at it a few chapters a bit, and it looks to me that they were just hosting Cnine's translation, which is available at Foxaholic. I'd encourage you to find the links to there through the information link to Novelupdates on this manga's main page.

 

[1000sunny]

@IAMMON Two things... First, you misspelled the monster called ‘Ogre,’ on the ranking chart. You spelled it ‘Orge.’ Second, you labeled Tama as being rank E - S, but that’s wrong. He was born a fully fledged rank S. When he matures, he becomes rank SSS. Don’t confuse his guild rank (B) with his monster-race rank (S).

Thanks for the chapter update!

 

[Asa-senpai]

@YoshidaItsuka
you mean the guy who became a knight solely so he can kill things legally? Yes even that guy

 

[Wildfire_desu]

but seriosuly, no beastiality please!! that would be pretty bad

 

[MoodyUsername]

Soon as he asked that question on panel 18 my first thought was that Aw Shit Here We Go Again meme.

But then I saw panel 21 and felt like an idiot...

 

[Otakuman706]

@1000sunny
I could be totally off, as I have no idea how it was originally said, or laid out, or whatever you wanna call it, in the raws, but I think you're off with the part about his (monster, not guild) rank being 'E-S' as it was said in the release.
Oh, and I know the title/description could make it sound like he was reborn as an S Rank, himself, but again I think the phrasing means more that he was reborn as a Behemoth, which happens to be considered an S Rank, at maturity (or whenever most likely 'measured.'

I mean, yeah, I think even at his 'lowest' now (and probably to start imo) I think he'd still be above the first couple, but other than his 'peak' when defeating the Earth Dragon, he has certainly been plenty weaker previously, and even clearly struggled against some 'weak' enemies before growing, 'training', and gathering skills. Kinda like with the human rankings, they should definitely be able to fluctuate either way, or so I would expect.

Basically, I mean, like, yes his species (...🤔 not sure if species is the correct nomenclature for monsters of another world...) is generally considered S Rank or more, but I'd think that the threat rank would vary (possibly greatly) from one to another individual based on multiple variables, one likely being it's age/maturity (and like current injuries/ailments, 'training,' etc.) Even if this is the case the ranks would still have plenty of utility as it could help adventurers know what to roughly expect, barring abnormal situations or the like.

When he was 'fresh,' even if relatively strong (probably higher than E if he had actually known wtf he was doing/could do) I don't see him coming close to defeating some of those higher ranked monsters, nor do the amount of damage said possible from an attack of a given rank. I.e. maybe if he was lucky/pushing it, maybe village damage, but I don't think he could have handled a city.

I'd think the ranking should be more like an average for a given species based on past reported encounters or whatnot, but nothing certain or guaranteed for a given creature-- it could be weaker or stronger; though I would also think the amount of possible variation should usually not be too much. Also possibly influenced by some cases where they generally only 'discover' a monster once it has surpassed a lvl/age/evolution/whatever, and then making run-ins with adventurers more likely than prior to whatever change lead them to a new area/behavior.



Or I'm totally wrong and maybe it was more akin to a rarity rank or some such thing instead, idk.
Sorry for the damn text wall, been a long couple days without sleep and tbh I was kinda struggling to get my point across properly and succinctly, but I think it generally comes across. 🤷‍♂️

 

[1000sunny]

@Otakuman706 I understand what you mean. And I guess you have a point. But I also still think Tama was born with S-ranked strength. Here, as an example, have you ever read The Time I Got Reincarnated Into a Slime, or any other story where a dragon has the ability to transform into a human form? See, they have the same amount of energy/power in both forms, but in their much smaller human form, they can only display a fraction of their normal power in their dragon form. It’s the same with Tama. It even said so in the manga in the chapter where Tama temporarily evolved into adult form. They were both S-ranks, and both had the power and skills of S-ranks, but because Tama has an small, immature body, he can’t use his power to the level as Dragon Stella could.

Now, I’ll admit that I was a bit wrong when I said that the translator got the E-S part wrong, and that Tama is an S. We were both right, and both wrong. So, the translator (or the typesetter) mistakenly put E-S when it should be E~S (notice the ‘~’). This doesn’t mean E through S, but rather somewhere between E and S, similar to what you said. And since Tama fought, and beat, a metal golem ranked E~S, as well as a B-ranked Wyvern (with only his inherent abilities, mind you) when he was “fresh”, it’s easy to tell that he’s already at the higher end of the scale and the only thing keeping him from tipping the scale over and breaking it is his immature size, not lack of power. I mean, you saw how much more tyrannical Tama’s Elemental Sword was in big form compared to little, right? He didn’t get any extra power in that growth spurt, just size. Imagine that with his Elemental Howl. Instead of being able to toast 2-3 humanoids at a time, he could take out half a city.

 

[Otakuman706]

@1000sunny
Yeah, I generally agree with you there, and yes, I've read those too so I definitely see your point with those examples. I certainly think that is true, that his immature body is likely a huge limiting factor in him releasing his 'full power.'
Though I do think there is a very slim possibility that the difference between his 'forms' wasn't just his size, but I think you basically mean about the same way I'm thinking about it; so this may be just me being... 'too literal' or whatever.

I mean if the usable power he had was the same in both forms, the smaller form could be considered 'stronger' due to it being more concentrated. Kinda similar to using high pressure water compared to using the same amount of water, but over a longer time or larger surface. But in this case his smaller form may indeed 'have' the same reservoir of power, but as you said, his immature body can't handle it or is otherwise limited from utilizing more of his 'full power.'

Like how humans are thought to have a 'limiter', of a kind, so they generally don't use their 'full strength,' which could cause themselves damage in various ways--torn tendons/ligaments and/or broken bones for example. Or how people under the influence of certain substances (pcp is a good example) can often over-do something and injure themselves or others.
One other interesting example of this idea that I've heard about irl is found in hand to hand combat, though I only saw a couple academic papers on the subject, and I'm far from an expert. Anyway, in boxing they use the padded gloves, which many may think could help prevent damage to the opponent, but in reality it's more of protection for their fists, which often leads to more brain damage (or whatever is hit) than compared to when using bare fists, because they 'know' (consciously or not) that they can put more force into it without just shattering their hands quite so easily.

Having said that, if the monster ranking is based on the possible power they can wield, at a given time, then I still think his rank at 'birth' may have been lower than S, but yes still certainly on the higher end. If this wasn't the case I would think the limits would have been (probably temporarily, and likely leading to some damage, but damage is better than death) 'broken' when he was first injured so badly. Though this could also be more due to him not being accustomed to his new body, and maybe the power was indeed there, but he just didn't know how to properly use it or something like that.

But even in that case, if they have the power, yet can't use that power, for any reason, should that actually count towards one's rank? I wouldn't think so in this case as the rank doesn't seem to include their potential, but just the danger/strength at that time. But I also suppose adjustment of a rank depending on temporary conditions could get... annoying and overly complicated, depending on where the 'line' is drawn.

Aside from all that, when he changed form, I agree, he was likely just more easily able to use his 'true power' at a higher amount, though I could see it being a bit more than that too, but I don't have any 'proof' of this supposition. I mean, say he could only use 30% as lil Tama, and larger Tama can use 100%, but how are buffs or the like counted? If not included and he was buffed to be able to use 120% for a short period, should that count towards ranking? I lean towards that it should be included as it can certainly increase the possible damage, but if it is a one time thing, say from an item or another's spell, then it isn't a 'common risk' and could bump the rank up to a misleading level.
I don't think that part really mattered at that point anyway, when in his larger form iirc, I think everything he did was using his own power, which could be done again, though again possibly injuring his still immature body; so I would think that should go towards his ranking. I just kinda mentioned it as a possibility, though I don't think it actually applied in this case.

This would of course change though if his larger form also provided additional 'boosts' that his smaller form just wouldn't have 'access' to. Kinda like how evolution can work in a Pokémon game. You can keep them in their early form and just continue to lvl up without evolving and they will indeed keep getting stronger, but by evolving into the next generation their stats, and the growth rate seen at each level increase, can be changed. It's been quite a while so I may be wrong, but in the case of Pokémon games I think these changes can be both good and bad, with some stats increasing more and some less in their other stages; like after evolution maybe speed increases at a higher rate, but maybe defense is now growing slower, at each increased level. Ah, and yeah, it probably isn't gonna be exactly applicable to this series, just an example I thought would be simple and well known.


Oh and just in case it's coming across wrong, I'm not meaning to be argumentative or anything like that, I just enjoy this kind of discussion, so 🍻. Especially enjoyable when going more 'in-depth' than one may have originally thought about a topic, and getting another's perspective on it. It can be much easier to find any misunderstandings or blinds spots (or whatever) thanks to this.
So, yeah, generally I agree with you, though I think it may be... more complicated. Oh and I know I could be totally off on this, and proven wrong at the author's whim in following chapters, or on a detail I missed/forgot (or translated in a way I misconstrued, etc.) from previous chapters.
Cheers, mate.

 

[1000sunny]

@Otakuman706 Cheers!

 

[Chusep]

oof

 

[Rennis_Tora]

I do not trust, that dead eyed old merchant...

 

[skyehawk124]

on page 11, is "Orihacol Allow" supposed to be orichalcum and its just a weird translation, or is it some special allow that wasn't announced previously?

 

[Kutabarie]

How about you DON'T dress like a whore if you don't want men to stare at you ?

 

[hmmmmname]

Calling it now, the guys fiancé is 100% dead and he's luring them in as either a sacrifice to someone (who wants revenge on them) to bring her back or a sacrifice for a ritual to bring her back.

Either that or he made up the story and he's a demon (or working for one).

Or I could be completely wrong and he's just a normal dude...

 

[hmmmmname]

How about you DON'T dress like a whore if you don't want men to stare at you ?

Unfortunately she didn't draw the manga so she doesn't have much of a say in that matter.