im interested when executives would look into that and says "nah thats actually edge-bait and not pervy but wholesome story" still wondering why this is continued after Vol.3. Maybe Hagu has a plan that executives know about? I mean theres small chance but still. I know Hagu is gooning to Sasha, but maybe he has a plan for her to be exactly like that to challange her after. The problem is that i dont believe it myself. On cause of that change in tone and things that happens in Chapter 72-73, but cause i asked myself "Is Hagu with more then decade of worth of ero manga, gooning to Sasha on social media wants Sasha to change?" After all posts on Twitter i saw, all his work and this manga after chapter 30 i dont see a light in that tunnel. Im somehow still following a discussion, to see myself what is going to happen later in manga... but thats just hollow hope...
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Pointing out inconsistencies in a theory is not a bad faith argument and a switch in tone does not automatically imply a retcon.
Retcon, extremely bad writing, blatant bait & switch, Hagu writing while wanking off with one-hand while staring at his Sasha acrylics: take your pick and they lead to the same path down Sasha's cavernous holes.
And if it isn't a retcon, then it's a blatant bait & switch, which is worse FYI.
If you like the manga, that's fine. I like to read the occasional trash fire and have a couple of hate-reads that keep me grounded to appreciate good manga out there. I rather just call a spade a spade and acknowledge that this manga is essentially two mangas: one that ends abruptly at chapter 30, and one that starts as a fanfic spin-off by the same author at chapter 31 for some reason.
Im losing my mind reading the nonsensical copium, she was not pure, if you and others made that thought on your mind sorry for you
I have to read it again to check if I was being schizo or if I had mixed something from the doujin, and no you just slipped the prejudices that YOU and the others have about her and you took your thoughts as absolute truth
-Girl in chapter 3 already asked to him, the random guy not so well known that her friends recommend her to not to get close to him because hes a pervert, she asked to offer herself as a model to draw erotic scenes of her character
-she appears embarrassed by things she doesnt know or isnt good at, then she almost doesn't show any shame about sitting down to read and discuss porn stuff which...
-chapter 16 she slip a little masoquist bit, a bit strange
-chapter 17 she said, again, that if Master wants to do something, anything, just ask her
-chapter 18 she point hes not packing a lot (which technically you can say that as virgin but make more sense if she has other dicks to compare)
-chapter 19 she wanted to go in a date with shinda-senpai but is interrupted by master (and upset by him being immature and not being honest with his feelings OR because she wanted to do sex with shinda, maybe both, take whatever you think), still go with master because she already started to fall in love with him
-chapter 22.50 AGAIN she asked for pervy commands
-chapter 27 she wasnt invited to the harem party, sadge (ok thats clearly a joke)
-chapter 28... she watched a lot of hentai with her fat uncle... how did you miss that... how is that wholesome... again are we reading the same manga? also she show her pussy to master
RETCON MY ASS
All of that just points to a pervy but overall innocent Sasha. All of those actions and tropes are pretty typical to the shounen 'teasing MC' genre. Also notice all of those actions are directed at the MC, which is the core of romcom: person A probing at person B for further romantic/sexual progress.
Also none of those references bring up Sasha sleeping with half of Tokyo yet, nor her streaming herself getting railed and sending it to her father, or tormenting the MC with NTR footage, or even actively dating. We get hints that she may have dated, which I think would have been cool to have and I think a managed & medicated Hagu under editorial control could have done a good job to breaking a genre stereotype. A slow burn and well written approach to the possibility of Sasha dating someone and even having sex would have been a good read.
But alas, that's not we got. Again, too bad Sasha-chan got weirdly canned at chapter 30. I wish Hagu the best with his OG fanfics.
again you put the innocent tag in Sasha YOURSELF of course she doesnt clarify if she is virgin or not at the start of the manga (there is no need anyways) but she also not acting like fucking komisan pre-ch30, she was a perv since first chapter to now
the only thing that was droped at chapter 30 its just that shes not a virgin, thats it literally, that and the fact that her parents are very absent
Yeah, thanks to proving the point that you are equating her saying "yeah im not virgin, i fuck with senpai" to "I ALREADY FUCK HALF OF TOKYO"
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Let’s be real here. While the “fuck half of Tokyo” is obvious hyperbole, saying she only “fuck with senpai” is just a straight up lie, which is worse than making a hyperbole. Obviously she hasn’t actually fucked half of Tokyo, but she has multiple sex friends and has, with high certainty, had even more sex with other people than only those.
Also I’m a bit unsure why you keep saying they’re calling Sasha innocent. No one has used that word but you (overall innocent =/= totally innocent, though you can argue otherwise for Capom, that surely isn’t so for Thorgrin) and it’s not the tone I got from them either. There’s a difference between having had experiences and then having experiences while you’re currently in a “romantic” situation.
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Hagu just released a pretty wholesome and vanilla doujin of Master and Sasha on his fanbox. Crossing fingers it stays between them.
Yes, 'half of Tokyo' was hyerbole, which I'm guilty of. And yeah, saying Sasha has only has had slept only with Senpai (there's two sperate ones, as Thorgrin has pointed out) is a lie. Sasha certainly has a rolodex full of sex friends in the post-Chapter 30 timeline.
And yes, 'overall innocent' is what I was aiming for and never implied Sasha was some sheltered shut-in. I 100% stand by my stance of pre-Chapter 30 Sasha being written as a pervy virgin middle schooler. There's hints of Sasha maybe having dated, as she uses the term outright with MC in the stairway, when MC convinced her to go with him cellphone shopping. I think it would have been cool to have a possible revelation of her dated, and even have had slept with someone, as a genre break. In a slow burn, sort of manner that didn't inject 11 years of obsessive dojin writing.
But that's not what we got, so whatevs. 🤷♂️
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instantly ate my word since he also updated the Futoshi route as well lmao.
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If anyone has read "There's a Hole in the Student Council!", then you know the author is sorta doing the same thing with Komaro.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?tags=muchi_maro+michinoku_komaro+&z=5
However, nobody actually has a problem with this, nobody's interpretation of the character is ruined by the fact that the author draws Komaro getting hurt and raped on the side. Because, we as an audience, can tell that's not supposed to be happening in this world. That's the problem with Sasha as a whole, the audience just can't tell if the Author is horny enough to make all of his doujins canon, or some.
When in reality, it should be none at all! Why make some doujins canon? Why make all of these side materials implying things about Sasha from the main story, alongside a fucking list of all the guys she's fucked and how she ranks them in her relationships? In reality, the author is just horny for his own character and wanted to create more doujins of her getting it on the side, because the author genuinely has no self-control when it comes to Sasha.
Look, you can say what you want about the story, but even if you like it, I feel like we can all agree that Sasha deserved better than this author. That the story and potential it had deserved better than this guy.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?tags=muchi_maro+michinoku_komaro+&z=5
However, nobody actually has a problem with this, nobody's interpretation of the character is ruined by the fact that the author draws Komaro getting hurt and raped on the side. Because, we as an audience, can tell that's not supposed to be happening in this world. That's the problem with Sasha as a whole, the audience just can't tell if the Author is horny enough to make all of his doujins canon, or some.
When in reality, it should be none at all! Why make some doujins canon? Why make all of these side materials implying things about Sasha from the main story, alongside a fucking list of all the guys she's fucked and how she ranks them in her relationships? In reality, the author is just horny for his own character and wanted to create more doujins of her getting it on the side, because the author genuinely has no self-control when it comes to Sasha.
Look, you can say what you want about the story, but even if you like it, I feel like we can all agree that Sasha deserved better than this author. That the story and potential it had deserved better than this guy.
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Main difference with Komaro is that she's the author's own self-insert stand-in character. It's no secret that Muchi Maro is an extremely horny women who has had her twitter account nuked twice for being perverted on main. She's also retooled Komaro to be a supporting character; while obviously the favorite of the supporting caste due to being the author's former self-insert (she now uses a new OG self-insert), it's not Komaro's story.
As for Sasha, while the manga & dojin are unreadable for me, she is firmly Hagu's creature. The character and author are inseparable at this point.
Damn it, I got baited by the first 2 volumes. But depending how how you presume the author's intention is, the manga would both be successful and fail in each category.
If the intention is a pure character, then lol of course it failed.
If the intention is a slutty character, then it's 50/50, it's just a supporting story for the doujin.
If the intention is NTR, then it succeeded, as the first 2 volumes serve as a setup. As a NTR without setup would just be perceived by the reader as a slutty character, and would not inflict NTR pain, losing the point of a NTR.
If the intention is a pure character, then lol of course it failed.
If the intention is a slutty character, then it's 50/50, it's just a supporting story for the doujin.
If the intention is NTR, then it succeeded, as the first 2 volumes serve as a setup. As a NTR without setup would just be perceived by the reader as a slutty character, and would not inflict NTR pain, losing the point of a NTR.
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Yes, but there's self-control, the author isn't including these themes into the work. When she does show Komaro getting hurt, it's perceived as a bad thing within the context of the story, and how it's framed (darker colors, different mood, and people rightfully worried over her). If Komaro suddenly got beat up, and everyone was either fine with it, or doing it themselves, then you know that horniness took over, because that isn't normal for the manga.
Hagu... just does the opposite. Sasha is always right, her opinion is the correct one. There is no framing for her actions, where even the worst thing she does (filming her sexual encounters and sending them to her dad), is ever framed as in the wrong or something to be fixed. Even if the author didn't mean to NTR the audience or had the best intentions for the work, the fact that it doesn't feel out of left-field for us, shows that something has failed.
There's the expectation now that Sasha will continue to escalate, that nothing is off the table.
And truly, as you said, Sasha is so interconnected to this author. That she is the author's self insert, as well.
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Imagine having to describe this series to someone.
“Oh yeah this series is about a kid making a manga falling in love with a lewd girl. This girl is kinda weird but likes helping him. Oh almost forgot, but the girl has multiple sex friends of all kinds of ages, some even middle aged. She also regularly sends videos of her fucking said friends to her dad to rile him up. She may want to fuck her dad. Everyone in the manga is fine with her being like this. By the way did I mention it’s supposed to be a rom-com manga? Oh and the MC and FMC are like 11.”
The people saying she was innocent before chapter 30 are coping hard or are functionally illiterate. They had to have been reading a different manga. They've built their own version of the manga in their head and cannot cope. This is a loli manga. When did it suddenly become about chastity and innocence? Especially knowing the author, you all cannot be coping about it this hard.
Also, for all the people seething about the manga, just drop it. I just check in on the discussion board ever so often and keep seeing the amount of posts increase repeating the same nonsense ad nauseum. There's more to life than some random loli.
"I know how to treat the character better than the author himself"
BRUH
pick a pencil and go to write you perfect world fanfic in ao3 sheesh
what music we put moving the cofin? i thinking "im your treasure box"
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