Sasha-chan to Classmate Otaku-kun

[DontEatSmurfs]

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She hasn't left any relationships at all, toxic or otherwise, and MC isn't her "first love"; that honor falls to the president for the junior idol agency. She's merely "Interested" in MC. That's more than most of her other sex friends, but far from "love". What she has with MC isn't a "healthy relationship", she's added him to her circle of sex friends, and she's constantly NTR'ing him- culminating in her just deciding unilaterally that he would participate in sharing her this time, and putting him in an impossible position. Sasha only gets away with all this because she's the author's pet, and she can do no wrong.

All the doujins before her meeting him are canon, and then there are doujins (Not "IF" chapters) of her continuing to sleep around after meeting him. If you don't mind NTR and moral degradation in your "romcoms", that's fine, but don't sit here lying to yourself about what's happening. She's still the exact same Sasha, and this story is about corrupting a boy through sheer author say so.

There's no "Dark undertone" to the story, this is the author's years-long fetish on full display. You're supposed to be ok with all this. The author knows what the problem is- he repeatedly has everyone point it out every chance they get. But then everyone sweeps it under the rug with a "Well but who are we to judge?"

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I disagree, from what we know there is a IF story path that its its on the title of the hentai and there is indeed past partners in her life that are canon but the manga makes it really obvious that the boy is her first love since she mention it multiple times, she even mention that this being her "first" experience because its her first experience being in love and doing the stuff lovers would do

all of this makes the manga have dark undertone, because if you read the manga alone you understand both are perverts and she had sexual experience but a lot of the "experience" is related to abuse, rape and depression, its really sad, look...i can see why you dislike this type of media because it really is nasty, who wants to know about the the story about the kid being sexually exploited ?

what makes this interesting is that its fiction and we have now a healing story that is taking her out of that terrible life, EVEN if this is the fetish of the author, his fetish was the medium that brought the story to life, so this is non issue

i hate to say this but having fetishes is not illegal, if it was illegal we wouldnt have movies, games, songs, art sexualizing kids all over the place, the WRONG and ILLEGAL part comes if someone tries to act on that fetish in real life and we have laws protecting minors from these predators and the law works really well in this case, the author writting a story about a minor selling her body is sadly what happens in real life but the story is fiction, thats why everyone is like "well but who we are to judge ?" because everyone has some weird fetishes and i will go farther and say "we need more stories about this" media like this is extremely important, its important because it makes it clear whats legal and whats illegal and i believe in the "internet realm" we lost contact with whats real and what it isnt, we need more of these artistic views that challenges our morals since we need to uderstand AGAIN what is legal and what it isnt, we are back to the age of our aunts yelling that Dungeons and Dragons makes people go crazy and shoot everyone on the streets and sell their souls to the devil

 

[Speederzdk]

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I disagree, from what we know there is a IF story path that its its on the title of the hentai and there is indeed past partners in her life that are canon but the manga makes it really obvious that the boy is her first love since she mention it multiple times, she even mention that this being her "first" experience because its her first experience being in love and doing the stuff lovers would do

all of this makes the manga have dark undertone, because if you read the manga alone you understand both are perverts and she had sexual experience but a lot of the "experience" is related to abuse, rape and depression, its really sad, look...i can see why you dislike this type of media because it really is nasty, who wants to know about the the story about the kid being sexually exploited ?

what makes this interesting is that its fiction and we have now a healing story that is taking her out of that terrible life, EVEN if this is the fetish of the author, his fetish was the medium that brought the story to life, so this is non issue

i hate to say this but having fetishes is not illegal, if it was illegal we wouldnt have movies, games, songs, art sexualizing kids all over the place, the WRONG and ILLEGAL part comes if someone tries to act on that fetish in real life and we have laws protecting minors from these predators and the law works really well in this case, the author writting a story about a minor selling her body is sadly what happens in real life but the story is fiction, thats why everyone is like "well but who we are to judge ?" because everyone has some weird fetishes and i will go farther and say "we need more stories about this" media like this is extremely important, its important because it makes it clear whats legal and whats illegal and i believe in the "internet realm" we lost contact with whats real and what it isnt, we need more of these artistic views that challenges our morals since we need to uderstand AGAIN what is legal and what it isnt, we are back to the age of our aunts yelling that Dungeons and Dragons makes people go crazy and shoot everyone on the streets and sell their souls to the devil

Spoiler: Huh

What do you mean by “healing” and “taking her out of that terrible life”? She’s going to stay exactly as she is because the author has no intention of changing her behaviour because he doesn’t think any of it is bad.

 

[Dingo777]

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I disagree, from what we know there is a IF story path that its its on the title of the hentai and there is indeed past partners in her life that are canon but the manga makes it really obvious that the boy is her first love since she mention it multiple times, she even mention that this being her "first" experience because its her first experience being in love and doing the stuff lovers would do

all of this makes the manga have dark undertone, because if you read the manga alone you understand both are perverts and she had sexual experience but a lot of the "experience" is related to abuse, rape and depression, its really sad, look...i can see why you dislike this type of media because it really is nasty, who wants to know about the the story about the kid being sexually exploited ?

what makes this interesting is that its fiction and we have now a healing story that is taking her out of that terrible life, EVEN if this is the fetish of the author, his fetish was the medium that brought the story to life, so this is non issue

i hate to say this but having fetishes is not illegal, if it was illegal we wouldnt have movies, games, songs, art sexualizing kids all over the place, the WRONG and ILLEGAL part comes if someone tries to act on that fetish in real life and we have laws protecting minors from these predators and the law works really well in this case, the author writting a story about a minor selling her body is sadly what happens in real life but the story is fiction, thats why everyone is like "well but who we are to judge ?" because everyone has some weird fetishes and i will go farther and say "we need more stories about this" media like this is extremely important, its important because it makes it clear whats legal and whats illegal and i believe in the "internet realm" we lost contact with whats real and what it isnt, we need more of these artistic views that challenges our morals since we need to uderstand AGAIN what is legal and what it isnt, we are back to the age of our aunts yelling that Dungeons and Dragons makes people go crazy and shoot everyone on the streets and sell their souls to the devil

Not sure what you’re on about chief, it’s really not a “healing” story since it obstinately refuses to acknowledge anything that happened to Sasha as “bad”. According to the author she doesn’t NEED to heal, she’s not broken. You can see this in every single character saying that it’s wrong to try and change her.

The characters don’t act like human beings because any rational humans reaction would be “what the fuck let’s call the fucking cops” and instead it’s only “it would be wrong of you/me to change her”. Sasha isn’t presented as a victim, she’s presented as “awoken” despite the fact that she’s a middle schooler frequently having incredibly rough sex with grown adults.

The issue with the story is not “oh she’s learning what love really is and moving away from her dark past” it’s “nothing that happened to her is wrong and MC needs to lighten the fuck up about it and accept that she has, is, and will fuck other men.”

She’s a Manic Pixie Dream Girl who exists to “expand the MC’s world”.

 

[DontEatSmurfs]

Spoiler: Huh

What do you mean by “healing” and “taking her out of that terrible life”? She’s going to stay exactly as she is because the author has no intention of changing her behaviour because he doesn’t think any of it is bad.

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what i mean by "healing" is that she was in this position of letting anyone do anything they wanted with her body, selling her body, having relationships with people that just wanted sex not even caring if SHE wanted to have sex or not and now she is in this place of denying people all the access to her body like an object, taking care of herself and trusting "master" enough to even saying "no" for the first time, this is healing, she is getting out of the depression, getting out of all the toxicity around her sex life and going back to a more "innocent" relationship, having sex is not the issue anymore, she already has sex, she already understand what it is and that she likes it and she wants it, what we could hope for at least is for people not treating her like a sex slave or making her prostitute herself for attention that she was not getting from their family, "master" is now taking the place of "family" and giving the SO MUCH necessary love and attention she needed, SEX is the least of the issues here for Sasha this is something she will never let go, at least have sex with someone that care for her and want to care of her, her life of "innocent kid" is over thats gone already, what we are seeing now is that at least she is going for a better place

Not sure what you’re on about chief, it’s really not a “healing” story since it obstinately refuses to acknowledge anything that happened to Sasha as “bad”. According to the author she doesn’t NEED to heal, she’s not broken. You can see this in every single character saying that it’s wrong to try and change her.

The characters don’t act like human beings because any rational humans reaction would be “what the fuck let’s call the fucking cops” and instead it’s only “it would be wrong of you/me to change her”. Sasha isn’t presented as a victim, she’s presented as “awoken” despite the fact that she’s a middle schooler frequently having incredibly rough sex with grown adults.

The issue with the story is not “oh she’s learning what love really is and moving away from her dark past” it’s “nothing that happened to her is wrong and MC needs to lighten the fuck up about it and accept that she has, is, and will fuck other men.”

She’s a Manic Pixie Dream Girl who exists to “expand the MC’s world”.

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She doesnt but we as the third person following all her footsteps can see the changes, she is not going to have sex with other people if she has a boyfriend like she said to the boy she loves, she denied her "senpai" sex twice already in the story at the point of making him jelous, the characters are acting like human beings, i believe everyone here already had a friend that started having sex when was young, thats EXACTLY how it goes, she is not innocent anymore, she craves sex like any other adult, she wants it and she goes for it the issue is how she used to have sex and how she has sex right now, these are aspects that makes complete difference here, having sex because you want attention and having sex because you truly love someone is water and oil of difference, comming from someone that couldnt say "NO" this is a HUGE step towards mental health, i dont care if he has sex or not because she already had sex and she makes it clear she still want it and she still crave for sex, so at least have sex with someone that she loves and takes care of her instead of treating her like a pile of meat to be consumed, thats why its healing

the issue here is that you guys expect that she still had her innocence but its not how it works, she lost the innocence ages ago by rape, abuse, depression and emotional neglect from her parents, she is a woman now in the body of a kid, what we need to hope for now is that at least is safe for her and not extremely destructive like it was

 

[Dingo777]

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what i mean by "healing" is that she was in this position of letting anyone do anything they wanted with her body, selling her body, having relationships with people that just wanted sex not even caring if SHE wanted to have sex or not and now she is in this place of denying people all the access to her body like an object, taking care of herself and trusting "master" enough to even saying "no" for the first time, this is healing, she is getting out of the depression, getting out of all the toxicity around her sex life and going back to a more "innocent" relationship, having sex is not the issue anymore, she already has sex, she already understand what it is and that she likes it and she wants it, what we could hope for at least is for people not treating her like a sex slave or making her prostitute herself for attention that she was not getting from their family, "master" is now taking the place of "family" and giving the SO MUCH necessary love and attention she needed, SEX is the least of the issues here for Sasha this is something she will never let go, at least have sex with someone that care for her and want to care of her, her life of "innocent kid" is over thats gone already, what we are seeing now is that at least she is going for a better place

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She doesnt but we as the third person following all her footsteps can see the changes, she is not going to have sex with other people if she has a boyfriend like she said to the boy she loves, she denied her "senpai" sex twice already in the story at the point of making him jelous, the characters are acting like human beings, i believe everyone here already had a friend that started having sex when was young, thats EXACTLY how it goes, she is not innocent anymore, she craves sex like any other adult, she wants it and she goes for it the issue is how she used to have sex and how she has sex right now, these are aspects that makes complete difference here, having sex because you want attention and having sex because you truly love someone is water and oil of difference, comming from someone that couldnt say "NO" this is a HUGE step towards mental health, i dont care if he has sex or not because she already had sex and she makes it clear she still want it and she still crave for sex, so at least have sex with someone that she loves and takes care of her instead of treating her like a pile of meat to be consumed, thats why its healing

the issue here is that you guys expect that she still had her innocence but its not how it works, she lost the innocence ages ago by rape, abuse, depression and emotional neglect from her parents, she is a woman now in the body of a kid, what we need to hope for now is that at least is safe for her and not extremely destructive like it was

That’s 100% not how that works. She is a child, her brain hasn’t even remotely finished developing. Calling her a “woman” just because she had sex is frankly super creepy. She literally CAN NOT understand what’s happening to her and the ramifications even if she thinks she wants it. That’s literally why a minimum age of consent exists, because children CAN NOT make an rational decision about it, not “unless they’ve had sex” but ESPECIALLY if they’ve had sex.

The author also made 0 attempt to show that what happened to her was actually harmful or even looked down upon in universe. Everyone just accepts it aside from MC initially and he’s told off for it by multiple people. Hell the fact that her parents aren’t around is treated as way more of an issue than the rampant sexual assault she’s endured.

Sasha clearly likes MC, but any attempt to have a normal healthy sexual relationship is looked down on as selfish and toxic behavior.

The author is not writing “hey what if this victim worked to overcome her trauma with genuine love and support” he’s writing “wouldn’t it be rad if people stopped making a fuss about fucking kids? Look how happy she is, look how accepting everyone is about it.”

This girl, in real life, would be entirely incapable of a healthy relationship. Instead she’s being pushed as “enlightened” and if you have an issue with anything she has done or will do then you’re the problem.

This is not Sasha’s healing story, it’s MC’s corruption story but it’s being coached as an unironic love story. Remember kids, a happy ending is a sexually abused young girl teaching a young boy that sex and love are divorced concepts and that having sex with literal adults who have been shown to verbally, physically, sexually, and financially abuse them is not only good but actually what love really is.

 

[DontEatSmurfs]

That’s 100% not how that works. She is a child, her brain hasn’t even remotely finished developing. Calling her a “woman” just because she had sex is frankly super creepy. She literally CAN NOT understand what’s happening to her and the ramifications even if she thinks she wants it. That’s literally why a minimum age of consent exists, because children CAN NOT make an rational decision about it, not “unless they’ve had sex” but ESPECIALLY if they’ve had sex.

The author also made 0 attempt to show that what happened to her was actually harmful or even looked down upon in universe. Everyone just accepts it aside from MC initially and he’s told off for it by multiple people. Hell the fact that her parents aren’t around is treated as way more of an issue than the rampant sexual assault she’s endured.

Sasha clearly likes MC, but any attempt to have a normal healthy sexual relationship is looked down on as selfish and toxic behavior.

The author is not writing “hey what if this victim worked to overcome her trauma with genuine love and support” he’s writing “wouldn’t it be rad if people stopped making a fuss about fucking kids? Look how happy she is, look how accepting everyone is about it.”

This girl, in real life, would be entirely incapable of a healthy relationship. Instead she’s being pushed as “enlightened” and if you have an issue with anything she has done or will do then you’re the problem.

This is not Sasha’s healing story, it’s MC’s corruption story but it’s being coached as an unironic love story. Remember kids, a happy ending is a sexually abused young girl teaching a young boy that sex and love are divorced concepts and that having sex with literal adults who have been shown to verbally, physically, sexually, and financially abuse them is not only good but actually what love really is.

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i mean...what more can i say ? im not going to convince you anyway, i believe now you never had the experience of a friend having sex when she was young but the way she portrays herself she is mature already, you can call me creep or a pedo whatever but age in this case is not the issue anymore, it was the abuse, the rape, you dont need the author telling you that her past relationships were abusive, you dont need the author to go "HEY now its the healing act", this is a mature manga, the author is giving the information for us already this is extremely good writing

she shows already that her senpai wanted to force her to have sex, she shows to us that sex is something that she does daily when she feels like it, i dont know how mature you are or how used you are with these issues but the author did an amazing job showing a character having issues and going to a better place, i will call it healing, going from rape, neglection, abuse to love, kindness, care, friendship its day and night

the issue for you is that she is having SEX with the MC and this is unspeakeble, but from EVERYTHING that happened to her, having sex with the MC is the best thing that could happen, i want her to have sex with MC instead of keeping having relationships with "senpai" or prostituting herself, from all the bad things, "sex with MC" is the best option we at least agree on that right ?
Sex is not the issue anymore, she is going to have sex, do you want her to keep the relationships as it was or at least experience a safer enviroment so she isnt abused anymore ?

she has a matured brain already, i feel like you guys are ffocusing too much on "SEX" when sex is something she is over already we have more issues to deal now, is it right for underage people to have sex ? no its not...but if they are going to i expect that at least be safe, right ? since she is having sex, we hope at least that her relationship is healthy and sex is not unhealthy, its the way she has sex that can be unhealthy since she already has the experience

 

[Dingo777]

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i mean...what more can i say ? im not going to convince you anyway, i believe now you never had the experience of a friend having sex when she was young but the way she portrays herself she is mature already, you can call me creep or a pedo whatever but age in this case is not the issue anymore, it was the abuse, the rape, you dont need the author telling you that her past relationships were abusive, you dont need the author to go "HEY now its the healing act", this is a mature manga, the author is giving the information for us already this is extremely good writing

she shows already that her senpai wanted to force her to have sex, she shows to us that sex is something that she does daily when she feels like it, i dont know how mature you are or how used you are with these issues but the author did an amazing job showing a character having issues and going to a better place, i will call it healing, going from rape, neglection, abuse to love, kindness, care, friendship its day and night

the issue for you is that she is having SEX with the MC and this is unspeakeble, but from EVERYTHING that happened to her, having sex with the MC is the best thing that could happen, i want her to have sex with MC instead of keeping having relationships with "senpai" or prostituting herself, from all the bad things, "sex with MC" is the best option we at least agree on that right ?
Sex is not the issue anymore, she is going to have sex, do you want her to keep the relationships as it was or at least experience a safer enviroment so she isnt abused anymore ?

she has a matured brain already, i feel like you guys are ffocusing too much on "SEX" when sex is something she is over already we have more issues to deal now, is it right for underage people to have sex ? no its not...but if they are going to i expect that at least be safe, right ? since she is having sex, we hope at least that her relationship is healthy and sex is not unhealthy, its the way she has sex that can be unhealthy since she already has the experience

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oh the issue isn’t her having sex with MC, it’s that it clearly shown that’s not stopping her from having sex with other people anyway. Spoilers for the current Raw but she is currently about the have a three way with MC and the abusive senpai (yes the one who insults her, takes her money, demands sex, and chokes her near unconsciousness), and MC is thanking god for the chance because it would make good manga. She is not ready for a healthy relationship and is instead dragging down her partner. I’m certainly no prude, and I have first hand experience with what having sex with an older person as a middle schooler does. I’m still unpacking that shit in therapy.

This girl needs help, instead all this manga cares about is showing that her unhealthy views on relationships are totally fine and above reproach.

Two middle schoolers knocking boots is atypical but certainly not developmentally catastrophic though it can certainly have some negative effects in life and often comes from a place of prior abuse. Instead they’re showing a sex abuse victim as not only not having any real negative effects, but a pillar of enlightenment. This is not a cerebral or “mature” manga, this is author looking the audience dead in the face and saying “what happened to her was a good thing”

 

[DontEatSmurfs]

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oh the issue isn’t her having sex with MC, it’s that it clearly shown that’s not stopping her from having sex with other people anyway. Spoilers for the current Raw but she is currently about the have a three way with MC and the abusive senpai (yes the one who insults her, takes her money, demands sex, and chokes her near unconsciousness), and MC is thanking god for the chance because it would make good manga. She is not ready for a healthy relationship and is instead dragging down her partner. I’m certainly no prude, and I have first hand experience with what having sex with an older person as a middle schooler does. I’m still unpacking that shit in therapy.

This girl needs help, instead all this manga cares about is showing that her unhealthy views on relationships are totally fine and above reproach.

Two middle schoolers knocking boots is atypical but certainly not developmentally catastrophic though it can certainly have some negative effects in life and often comes from a place of prior abuse. Instead they’re showing a sex abuse victim as not only not having any real negative effects, but a pillar of enlightenment. This is not a cerebral or “mature” manga, this is author looking the audience dead in the face and saying “what happened to her was a good thing”

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if you are following the manga you know she having sex with MC is making her deny all the other people, she already did it twice

about the raw i will wait and read it because the manga is entire about bait and switch, she might say she want a threeway but we dont know, we have to wait

i dont believe they are showing sasha as a pillar of enlightment but as someone that deserves empathy, she is suffering she just dont know yet and we saw it already when she asked for the MC for help and he brought her to his house, its not so black and white and i truly believe this 3 way will have something more behind it

 

[Dingo777]

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if you are following the manga you know she having sex with MC is making her deny all the other people, she already did it twice

about the raw i will wait and read it because the manga is entire about bait and switch, she might say she want a threeway but we dont know, we have to wait

i dont believe they are showing sasha as a pillar of enlightment but as someone that deserves empathy, she is suffering she just dont know yet and we saw it already when she asked for the MC for help and he brought her to his house, its not so black and white and i truly believe this 3 way will have something more behind it

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she’s literally sucking the dudes thumb as he chokes her and grabs a pack of condoms as he carries her to the bedroom, the MC being super stoked about it.

This is not a wholesome story about healing trauma.

 

[DontEatSmurfs]

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she’s literally sucking the dudes thumb as he chokes her and grabs a pack of condoms as he carries her to the bedroom, the MC being super stoked about it.

This is not a wholesome story about healing trauma.

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thats alright, thats sasha. we dont know whats going to happen next, thats the story, she did it before and the situation changed, i read the raw, we dont know what comes next and lets say both have sex, i want to see what the MC will do and her reaction to that, sex is not bad...you are making it seem that sasha, the girl that was sold by her parents to do AV is just going to be nice again, this is not happening, she is completely broke, like i said, we hope that her life turns better, the manga is full of bait and switch we dont know what happening next, i hope she dont have sex with her senpai because i believe MC will feel betrayed and probably will cause a new friction in their relationship

all you are seeing is "kids having sex = bad" but you are inserting your own "real world values" in this fiction, the story already told us that they have sex...complaining about SEX is like a non argument already, sex in the world sasha lives is different than yours, its corruptive, abusive, toxic and we want her to get out of there thats when MC came up and it showed until now that she is willing to follow him, like what else do you want to argue about ? we disagree, you only see sex and i see story around it and i see healing, you are probably not the consumer for this media you should avoid it

 

[liolu]

nice

 

[Speederzdk]

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thats alright, thats sasha. we dont know whats going to happen next, thats the story, she did it before and the situation changed, i read the raw, we dont know what comes next and lets say both have sex, i want to see what the MC will do and her reaction to that, sex is not bad...you are making it seem that sasha, the girl that was sold by her parents to do AV is just going to be nice again, this is not happening, she is completely broke, like i said, we hope that her life turns better, the manga is full of bait and switch we dont know what happening next, i hope she dont have sex with her senpai because i believe MC will feel betrayed and probably will cause a new friction in their relationship

all you are seeing is "kids having sex = bad" but you are inserting your own "real world values" in this fiction, the story already told us that they have sex...complaining about SEX is like a non argument already, sex in the world sasha lives is different than yours, its corruptive, abusive, toxic and we want her to get out of there thats when MC came up and it showed until now that she is willing to follow him, like what else do you want to argue about ? we disagree, you only see sex and i see story around it and i see healing, you are probably not the consumer for this media you should avoid it

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I don’t think you’re fully understanding what that guy is saying when you keep parroting that “kids having sex = bad” as being his opinion. That’s not what he said and that’s not what he’s claiming. There IS NO HEALING. For there to be healing, there has to be damage. The author has made it very, VERY clear that Sasha isn’t damaged because all she has done has not caused any damage in his opinion.

Her saying no to sex isn’t because she’s growing up or even changing, it’s because she currently doesn’t feel like it because the MC is her newest infatuation. And as the last raw has showcased (and a few others), he’s not pulling her up to him, she’s dragging him down to her. Expect her to still have sex with other people. The most you can expect is that the MC will probably be there if she does.

You’re really just coping because you want the story to be deeper than it actually is. It’s just not man.

 

[Ensashapedia]

Spoiler: Full explanation of manga route, doujins, author.

I think some people are fundamentally misunderstanding what's going on with this manga. Also how some people are saying Hagu is a big NTR writer. First I'll address the NTR.

Hagu obviously likes NTR, but he's never made it a main theme of any of his primary works. It really only appears as side material/"what if" routes that don't actually happen in their respective stories. It's something he toys around with, but doesn't usually make a part of his stories. Prior to the Otaku-kun manga, the people hooking up with Sasha are all aware that she's basically a prostitute.

That's changed somewhat with the Otaku-kun manga we are all here reading. It's changed because this time it involves both her and the MC who have feelings for each other. There are people convinced that she hasn't had sex with anyone since meeting Master at the beginning of the manga. This is unlikely to be the case. Hagu has said several times that Sasha will ALWAYS remain true to herself and that it's Master that will awaken to his wilder side. From chapters 1-30. Yes, she's very likely still having sex. From 30-67, unfortunately yes, she's probably still having sex, though we do have clues she's at least reduced that behavior.

Now we have the current arc, where she has voluntold Master he's to be a part of a threesome. As other's have pointed out, Sasha is Hagu's pet character. His angel. She can do no wrong in this story, and everyone around her has to accommodate any and all of her behavior. From the author's perspective she's never in the wrong and she loves what she's done/has had done to her. From here on, expect more extreme situations closer to NTR, possibly even cucking if she decides Master should watch her for more ideas for his EroManga.

Now onto the manga itself. This is not going back to "wholesome". Every 15-20 chapters we've seen an escalation, and a new standard baseline. the first major escalation comes with chapter 30-33 where we find out she has sex friends. It then ramps up from there with increasing sexual activity. Chapter 40 is a new minor escalation where he's buying condoms, and even Sasha's school friend Kana joins them for something naughty. From there sexual activity keeps increasing, till we find out Sasha and master have started having sex(but still not dating). Chapter 56, she mentions a "next time" with her senpai as she get's turned on while reading EroManga next to Master. Chapter 65 and 66, she shows Master explicit videos of her having sex with other men. Now with our current arc, where we SEE her being intimate with another man that isn't Master for the first time. So as I said. Escalate, escalate, escalate. Now. it's possible it will be a bait and switch. That's on the table, but I think it's more likely they did the three some(or god forbid) Master gets cold feet and watches them have sex as he takes notes/sketches. Scenario 2 could be possible as it would give Master and Sasha a new arc where she's upset at Master for not getting more aggressive like she wants, and that will give some drama for the following chapters. No matter what, it's another escalation. This is the new baseline.

Now I'll briefly talk about the doujins. Hagu has stated directly that any doujin that involved Futoshi/fat otaku, does not happen in the Master/Otaku-kun manga. The IF routes, do not happen, those are just Hagu playing around. The doujins with just Master and Sasha(and that one with her gravure friend) MAY be canon, it's debatable. Pachikasu/Pachinko guy. I can't say for sure. Also yes, the Manga Sasha was still a gravure model before entering Jr High and meeting Master.

This was a long post, but I hope it clears things up for people. TL;DR This will never be "wholesome". Master and Sasha will not begin to date and be exclusive any time soon, if ever. The happy ending the author has promised, is probably closer to a nightmare for those who dislike NTR/partner swapping, etc.

 

[Thorgrin]

Spoiler: Full explanation of manga route, doujins, author.

I think some people are fundamentally misunderstanding what's going on with this manga. Also how some people are saying Hagu is a big NTR writer. First I'll address the NTR.

Hagu obviously likes NTR, but he's never made it a main theme of any of his primary works. It really only appears as side material/"what if" routes that don't actually happen in their respective stories. It's something he toys around with, but doesn't usually make a part of his stories. Prior to the Otaku-kun manga, the people hooking up with Sasha are all aware that she's basically a prostitute.

That's changed somewhat with the Otaku-kun manga we are all here reading. It's changed because this time it involves both her and the MC who have feelings for each other. There are people convinced that she hasn't had sex with anyone since meeting Master at the beginning of the manga. This is unlikely to be the case. Hagu has said several times that Sasha will ALWAYS remain true to herself and that it's Master that will awaken to his wilder side. From chapters 1-30. Yes, she's very likely still having sex. From 30-67, unfortunately yes, she's probably still having sex, though we do have clues she's at least reduced that behavior.

Now we have the current arc, where she has voluntold Master he's to be a part of a threesome. As other's have pointed out, Sasha is Hagu's pet character. His angel. She can do no wrong in this story, and everyone around her has to accommodate any and all of her behavior. From the author's perspective she's never in the wrong and she loves what she's done/has had done to her. From here on, expect more extreme situations closer to NTR, possibly even cucking if she decides Master should watch her for more ideas for his EroManga.

Now onto the manga itself. This is not going back to "wholesome". Every 15-20 chapters we've seen an escalation, and a new standard baseline. the first major escalation comes with chapter 30-33 where we find out she has sex friends. It then ramps up from there with increasing sexual activity. Chapter 40 is a new minor escalation where he's buying condoms, and even Sasha's school friend Kana joins them for something naughty. From there sexual activity keeps increasing, till we find out Sasha and master have started having sex(but still not dating). Chapter 56, she mentions a "next time" with her senpai as she get's turned on while reading EroManga next to Master. Chapter 65 and 66, she shows Master explicit videos of her having sex with other men. Now with our current arc, where we SEE her being intimate with another man that isn't Master for the first time. So as I said. Escalate, escalate, escalate. Now. it's possible it will be a bait and switch. That's on the table, but I think it's more likely they did the three some(or god forbid) Master gets cold feet and watches them have sex as he takes notes/sketches. Scenario 2 could be possible as it would give Master and Sasha a new arc where she's upset at Master for not getting more aggressive like she wants, and that will give some drama for the following chapters. No matter what, it's another escalation. This is the new baseline.

Now I'll briefly talk about the doujins. Hagu has stated directly that any doujin that involved Futoshi/fat otaku, does not happen in the Master/Otaku-kun manga. The IF routes, do not happen, those are just Hagu playing around. The doujins with just Master and Sasha(and that one with her gravure friend) MAY be canon, it's debatable. Pachikasu/Pachinko guy. I can't say for sure. Also yes, the Manga Sasha was still a gravure model before entering Jr High and meeting Master.

This was a long post, but I hope it clears things up for people. TL;DR This will never be "wholesome". Master and Sasha will not begin to date and be exclusive any time soon, if ever. The happy ending the author has promised, is probably closer to a nightmare for those who dislike NTR/partner swapping, etc.

Spoiler

To clarify: The first two volumes were completely retconned, and Pachikasu has been confirmed as canonical thanks to 30.5 in connection with her sex friend chart (532937). While Hagu may not make NTR front and center in his works, the fact remains that she keeps sleeping around despite the fact that there's always multiple suitors who want her romantically, and they're deeply upset by the arrangement. The NTR is everpresent, even if it's not front and center. So from the very beginning, this series has featured it- starting from the low end of NTR (BSS), all the way to the hard end, where MC's bed becomes the cuck chair, and beyond. 66 confirms that she didn't "reduce her activity", so much as reduce it with Senpai when she got sick of him.

The only way at least some of this NTR is mitigated is if Hagu pulls another Schizo move and decides that the doujins (The non-IF doujins) aren't canon either. I don't think it needs explaining in the first place that the "IF" chapters aren't canonical. It feels weird every single time anyone brings that up; as if "IF" chapters the ONLY time we see Sasha sleeping around with MC in the picture.

 

[Ensashapedia]

Spoiler

To clarify: The first two volumes were completely retconned, and Pachikasu has been confirmed as canonical thanks to 30.5 in connection with her sex friend chart (532937). While Hagu may not make NTR front and center in his works, the fact remains that she keeps sleeping around despite the fact that there's always multiple suitors who want her romantically, and they're deeply upset by the arrangement. The NTR is everpresent, even if it's not front and center. So from the very beginning, this series has featured it- starting from the low end of NTR (BSS), all the way to the hard end, where MC's bed becomes the cuck chair, and beyond. 66 confirms that she didn't "reduce her activity", so much as reduce it with Senpai when she got sick of him.

The only way at least some of this NTR is mitigated is if Hagu pulls another Schizo move and decides that the doujins (The non-IF doujins) aren't canon either. I don't think it needs explaining in the first place that the "IF" chapters aren't canonical. It feels weird every single time anyone brings that up; as if "IF" chapters the ONLY time we see Sasha sleeping around with MC in the picture.

Spoiler

I think you may be confusing a couple things. I did not say that there's no NTR in the manga. I said that as opposed to his other works, it actually DOES take a more active role in the manga. As for Pachikasu. I did not say that I can't tell if HE himself is canon, just whether the doujin he is featured in is or not. Very few of the doujins are Canon at this point, as so many of them are set in the Futoshi world line. Also I am not sure if you're saying that the senpai we see in 30.5 is Pachikasu or only referencing her sex friend chart. 30.5 senpai is the 16 year old senpai from the chart, not Pachikasu.

 

[na2suara]

Spoiler

she’s literally sucking the dudes thumb as he chokes her and grabs a pack of condoms as he carries her to the bedroom, the MC being super stoked about it.

This is not a wholesome story about healing trauma.

I'm surprised you've gone back and forth as much as you have despite being completely in the right.

At the end of the day this manga is just an outlet for the author's fetishes and discussing it like it's anything but is giving it more credit than it deserves. Mangakas, especially eromangakas, are some of the most depraved people out there, period. While there are some out there like ShindoL who are somewhat detached from what they create, most of the time, they use their talents to give form to their most depraved fantasies, catering to others with the same sick desires. I mean, we can larp all day about how this is all fictional, but I think it gives you a decent glimpse into the mind of the author. This manga is never going to be about "healing" or love. It is simply some ~30 year old Japanese guy who wants to draw a middle schooler having sex. There is no sugarcoating it. When it comes to stuff like this, people love to larp like it's all really deep art about this or that when they just want to get their rocks off without being judged. People who wholeheartedly read and enjoy this content are weird, no two ways about it, and the people who make it are even weirder. Just look at the guy who draws Daredemo Dakeru Kimi ga Suki. The dude had a breakdown because he got jealous of the high schoolers he drew having sex. Maybe I am generalizing, and the dudes who make this stuff are high-brow intellectuals who use middle/high schoolers having sex as a really deep metaphor for something, but odds are it's just some developmentally stunted middle-aged Japanese guy who wants to make his fantasy of boning a middle/high schooler real. I don't know though.

I personally visit this board because I find the out-of-world dynamics of how people interact with this work to be hilarious. Like Mr. DontEatSmurfs and his actual insane takes.

 

[CaponNC]

Maybe I am generalizing, and the dudes who make this stuff are high-brow intellectuals who use middle/high schoolers having sex as a really deep metaphor for something, but odds are it's just some developmentally stunted middle-aged Japanese guy who wants to make his fantasy of boning a middle/high schooler real. I don't know though.

I feel like you're about 65% correct. Not saying that the other 35% is incorrect, if that makes sense.

I agree that at the men and women (and there is a LOT of women who draw some depraved shit in Japan like Asanagi and Muchi Maro) that draw and publish this stuff get their start by being passionate enough to draw their fetishes and share it with others, then it usually snowballs into getting tapped for mainstream work. 90% Of eromanga artists aren't any weirder then your average person, especially after meeting a few of them at comiket and other meet-ups. The only difference really is that they have the artistic talent of getting their fetishes out of their heads and onto paper.

We have ero-mangakas that are tapped to develop and publish mainstream stuff. Nanashi (Nagatoro) being a prime example, and the above-mentioned Muchi Maro (Seitokai ni mo Ana wa Aru) getting her own series too. Both were able to keep it in their pants and not go schizo with their mangas. I suspect the reason is that their inspirations were characters from other IPs. Nanashi's muse was Hinata from Naruto, and only ever did SFW stuff for her. Nagato, while was his own creation, I suspect he didn't have a real attachment to Nagatoro. He was able to develop Nagatoro without having any mixed feelings about making her stories mostly wholesome.

Then we have Haguhagu. I think the 'problem' is that Sasha is his pet character. Unlike with many others who mostly started with making dojin of other characters, Hagu was fixated on his OG cast with Sasha being his personal pet character. Dude has been developing Sasha for over 11 years. So comes along the publisher allowing Hugo to develop his manga for mainstream, and he chose the character with 11 years of personal attention. From day 1 since Sasha-chan started being published, I 100% knew that this character wasn't going to escape her creator's past fixation on her.

 

[na2suara]

I agree that at the men and women (and there is a LOT of women who draw some depraved shit in Japan like Asanagi and Muchi Maro) that draw and publish this stuff get their start by being passionate enough to draw their fetishes and share it with others, then it usually snowballs into getting tapped for mainstream work. 90% Of eromanga artists aren't any weirder then your average person, especially after meeting a few of them at comiket and other meet-ups. The only difference really is that they have the artistic talent of getting their fetishes out of their heads and onto paper.

I see what you are saying. A lot of these eromangakas are pretty libertarian in simply seeing their work as supplying a demand. I don't know what percentage of eromangas are hardcore fetish material, and I wouldn't know how to distinguish. I mean, the Overton window for what is considered acceptable is so fucked in the world of anime and manga that you can't really tell what the reception to certain things will be. I can only view it through my, albeit Western, personal lens.

If you scope out and really look at the majority of manga/eromanga they sound extremely deviant. I don't say this to virtue signal or grandstand over people who consume that sort of material, but it's kind of insane what is considered acceptable. You can look at previous replies in the thread to get an idea of what I mean. The majority of the replies and the people giving negative reviews barely care at all about the fact that this is lolicon material and only give a shit about the NTR. I know people try to compare it to standard pornography in that it's just a fantasy, but it really isn't the same. We cannot really equate consenting adults partaking in an activity to "All characters depicted in this work are 18" kids wearing randoseru backpacks.

The rest of what you said was spot on and my mini-rant had nothing to do with that. I just keep seeing what seems to be intentionally obtuse people who dance around the obvious by claiming this, that, and the third.

 

[CaponNC]

If you scope out and really look at the majority of manga/eromanga they sound extremely deviant. I don't say this to virtue signal or grandstand over people who consume that sort of material, but it's kind of insane what is considered acceptable. You can look at previous replies in the thread to get an idea of what I mean. The majority of the replies and the people giving negative reviews barely care at all about the fact that this is lolicon material and only give a shit about the NTR. I know people try to compare it to standard pornography in that it's just a fantasy, but it really isn't the same. We cannot really equate consenting adults partaking in an activity to "All characters depicted in this work are 18" kids wearing randoseru backpacks.

The main reason NTR bothers many of the people here is just demographics and reader expectations. Sasha-chan was originally aimed and marketed at the shounen crowd, as a wholesome shounen romcom series. Readers for these kind of content don't care about it being aimed at lolicon because most shounen romcoms have a cast of underage characters. What they do expect is light flirting and bantering, with maybe some suggestive themes and art, with a cast divorced from any real adult or real world expectations.

NTR, grooming, and casual underage sex with older men divorced from intimacy are not what most shounen romcom readers wanted. Some shounen romcom series do play with those themes, but very lightly. 'The Dangers in My Heart' played a little bit with the MC fending off rivals for the FMC's attention, but that's usually the limit. 'The Dangers in My Heart' is still a lighthearted romcom at the end of the day. Sasha-chan goes way into hentai-land territory, playing more as a psychological drama.

It also did not help at all that the first two volumes did not suggest the NTR and casual sex stuff at all. Sasha was clearly originally going to stick with the wholesome shounen romcom stuff until either Haguhagu could sell his kool-aid to the publishers, or someone let Haguhagu off the the chains (who knows what happened behind the scenes).

 

[Thorgrin]

I feel like you're about 65% correct. Not saying that the other 35% is incorrect, if that makes sense.

I agree that at the men and women (and there is a LOT of women who draw some depraved shit in Japan like Asanagi and Muchi Maro) that draw and publish this stuff get their start by being passionate enough to draw their fetishes and share it with others, then it usually snowballs into getting tapped for mainstream work. 90% Of eromanga artists aren't any weirder then your average person, especially after meeting a few of them at comiket and other meet-ups. The only difference really is that they have the artistic talent of getting their fetishes out of their heads and onto paper.

We have ero-mangakas that are tapped to develop and publish mainstream stuff. Nanashi (Nagatoro) being a prime example, and the above-mentioned Muchi Maro (Seitokai ni mo Ana wa Aru) getting her own series too. Both were able to keep it in their pants and not go schizo with their mangas. I suspect the reason is that their inspirations were characters from other IPs. Nanashi's muse was Hinata from Naruto, and only ever did SFW stuff for her. Nagato, while was his own creation, I suspect he didn't have a real attachment to Nagatoro. He was able to develop Nagatoro without having any mixed feelings about making her stories mostly wholesome.

Then we have Haguhagu. I think the 'problem' is that Sasha is his pet character. Unlike with many others who mostly started with making dojin of other characters, Hagu was fixated on his OG cast with Sasha being his personal pet character. Dude has been developing Sasha for over 11 years. So comes along the publisher allowing Hugo to develop his manga for mainstream, and he chose the character with 11 years of personal attention. From day 1 since Sasha-chan started being published, I 100% knew that this character wasn't going to escape her creator's past fixation on her.

Thing is, it looked like the editor was fully reigning him in for almost the entire first two volumes. It's only at the exact last page of the last chapter, and then the whole bonus one, that Hagu started ruining the series. I think it's less that anyone is surprised that he went in this direction, and more that they allowed this to be published. If the editor had said "No, you can't retcon the first two volumes into NTR", it simply wouldn't happen. It wouldn't be the first time a series is carried by its editor (https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/fe...ndustry-an-interview-with-aka-akasaka/.197795).

Maybe you think Hagu played it off and said he wasn't going to double down in Volume 3. But he did, and he got a whole additional volume out of it despite 3's horrible sales. What even is the story behind all this?

Hagu could have published all this independently, made it a full porn series with whatever plot he wanted, do any scenes he's forced to imply here, and the audience would be much more receptive to all this. Especially if he didn't try to play this "romance" angle.