Sasha-chan to Classmate Otaku-kun

[CaponNC]

To my fellow brethrens who held out hope…

Spoiler: Chapter 72

Chapter 72 on Hagu’s fanbox has effectively confirmed that they went through with the threesome. I cannot fathom the state of our MC rn since the MTL doesn’t cover my his emotions well but he seems haggard. Senpai talks about how even with both of them they couldn’t take on Sasha (almost referring to it like a boss character). It ends the chapter with Sasha talking to her father and showing further affirmation on the MC’s and Sasha’s relationship. As for my personal thoughts, this confirms to what extent Hagu would go even with the intervention of our serialized MC. She will remain promiscuous no matter what timeline and it looks like Hagu will force us to accept that fact. I have mixed feelings about it since I was really rooting for a more monogamous relationship between Sasha and the MC so I’ll have to figure out my standings after this chapter. Attached, I’ve also included Hagu’s thoughts on why he included senpai to begin with. Somebody can translate if possible.

https://imgur.com/a/7azNGGj

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Yeah, I've made my thoughts clear that I didn't hold out hope. Hagu was clearly going to have Sasha still sleep around, coerce the MC to getting involved in her sexlife on her terms and not his, and start introducing the other 'Sashaverse' character like the gravure company CEO. Anyone who has been saying there's a separation between the dojins and the serialized Sasha-chan, or that Sasha has stopped sleeping around, are huffing some strong stuff.

For the record, while this is a FUCKING TERRIBLE shounen romcom, it would have been great to have it self-published as part of Hagu's weird-as-hell 'Sashaverse' eromanga stuff. It's so interesting to have a man who is obviously fixated on his own creation to the point of poisoning his own mainstream manga with his dojins.

Welp...

Spoiler: Hagu’s thoughts

Chapter 71 is quite a provocative story with Sanada-senpai and sexual content, so I apologize if it offends anyone.

For the record, it's an expression of her increased feelings for Master. This habit of hers, enjoying teasing people she likes or favors, also serves as a reaffirmation of her self-esteem and borders on behavior somewhat akin to self-harm.

Yeah...

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My thoughts exactly, man.

 

[CinnamonPebble]

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Yeah, I've made my thoughts clear that I didn't hold out hope. Hagu was clearly going to have Sasha still sleep around, coerce the MC to getting involved in her sexlife on her terms and not his, and start introducing the other 'Sashaverse' character like the gravure company CEO. Anyone who has been saying there's a separation between the dojins and the serialized Sasha-chan, or that Sasha has stopped sleeping around, are huffing some strong stuff.

For the record, while this is a FUCKING TERRIBLE shounen romcom, it would have been great to have it self-published as part of Hagu's weird-as-hell 'Sashaverse' eromanga stuff. It's so interesting to have a man who is obviously fixated on his own creation to the point of poisoning his own mainstream manga with his dojins.

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My thoughts exactly, man.

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The thing is, up until this chapter it seemed like it may play out where our MC gets his sole share of Sasha. After all, nothing was explicitly stated that she was still sleeping around after the whole chapter 30-38 incident. Chapter 72 just confirms where the future story is headed and I don’t know if I can handle Sasha’s level of promiscuity if the MC’s relationship with her furthers through these forced canon events.

 

[kyewby]

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what i mean by "healing" is that she was in this position of letting anyone do anything they wanted with her body, selling her body, having relationships with people that just wanted sex not even caring if SHE wanted to have sex or not and now she is in this place of denying people all the access to her body like an object, taking care of herself and trusting "master" enough to even saying "no" for the first time, this is healing, she is getting out of the depression, getting out of all the toxicity around her sex life and going back to a more "innocent" relationship, having sex is not the issue anymore, she already has sex, she already understand what it is and that she likes it and she wants it, what we could hope for at least is for people not treating her like a sex slave or making her prostitute herself for attention that she was not getting from their family, "master" is now taking the place of "family" and giving the SO MUCH necessary love and attention she needed, SEX is the least of the issues here for Sasha this is something she will never let go, at least have sex with someone that care for her and want to care of her, her life of "innocent kid" is over thats gone already, what we are seeing now is that at least she is going for a better place

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She doesnt but we as the third person following all her footsteps can see the changes, she is not going to have sex with other people if she has a boyfriend like she said to the boy she loves, she denied her "senpai" sex twice already in the story at the point of making him jelous, the characters are acting like human beings, i believe everyone here already had a friend that started having sex when was young, thats EXACTLY how it goes, she is not innocent anymore, she craves sex like any other adult, she wants it and she goes for it the issue is how she used to have sex and how she has sex right now, these are aspects that makes complete difference here, having sex because you want attention and having sex because you truly love someone is water and oil of difference, comming from someone that couldnt say "NO" this is a HUGE step towards mental health, i dont care if he has sex or not because she already had sex and she makes it clear she still want it and she still crave for sex, so at least have sex with someone that she loves and takes care of her instead of treating her like a pile of meat to be consumed, thats why its healing

the issue here is that you guys expect that she still had her innocence but its not how it works, she lost the innocence ages ago by rape, abuse, depression and emotional neglect from her parents, she is a woman now in the body of a kid, what we need to hope for now is that at least is safe for her and not extremely destructive like it was

Yeah you're definitely projecting onto this and reading a whole bunch into it that was never said. Literally nothing in the story so far has anything whatsoever to do with "healing". Aside from now being "interested" in the MC, she is still the exact same character, still doing all that same stuff (as shown by the latest raws). Honestly I'm not sure this author's actually capable of real character development where she's concerned, he definitely blurs the line a bit between "creepy motherfucker", and "should probably be under 24/7 surveillance". Edit: actually after reading the rest of your replies in this thread, you're likely equally creepy and unhinged lol, so I understand where you got your perspective.

Also holy fucking shit my guy, it's called punctuation; try it, might make the word-spaghetti you're producing just a little bit more readable.

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It's so interesting to have a man who is obviously fixated on his own creation to the point of poisoning his own mainstream manga with his dojins.

I wasn't aware of the author until I found this manga, as I:
1 - don't read doujins/h-manga
2 - am not into cuck shit
3 - am not into kids

But after skimming his other stuff and reading this story, I think he's just genuinely a shit writer with a very particular fetish and an extremely unhealthy level of attachment towards one of his characters. I don't really get how his works got so popular, and now that I'm more aware of the contents I really don't get why people are openly outing themselves as the type of weird cunts who'd get off to that shit lmao.

 

[Ensashapedia]

Spoiler: Bye bye, good luck.

Alright. With the leaks for this chapter out. I am officially distancing myself from all of this. I had a feeling what was coming but Hagu deciding to bring back the detail about her sending porn videos of herself to her own father from the Futoshi route is just too much. I'll leave this account active for a little while, but expect it to be deleted after some time. I may still interact with Hagu a bit as well. Despite my disagreements with him, I don't harbor any ill will, and I think it's nice of him to treat us EN readers so kindly and actually talk to us. Others choose to abuse that and bitch at him. Please don't do that, it will only sour him.

I will leave a couple more things of info/canon here for those still unclear.

First this Fantia post. https://fantia.jp/fanclubs/6627

Then my Twitter. I spent hours last night in a 4chan thread talking to old time fans who followed all this a lot longer than all of us. They provided some good info and a couple helpful depictions.
https://x.com/EnSashaFan

As you can see there is a solid distinction in his world lines. He blurs the lines sometimes, but they are there.
According to some of them who have been following Hagu for a long time. it does seem she may have stopped or at least reduced her sex friend activity substantially after meeting master, as she became pretty obsessed and lost a lot of interest and didn't feel so lonely as often. Doesn't change the direction of the story though. so... I'm out. Have fun guys. Please drop this already if you're upset. Just do the healthy thing and move on instead of seething about it.

 

[Thorgrin]

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The thing is, up until this chapter it seemed like it may play out where our MC gets his sole share of Sasha. After all, nothing was explicitly stated that she was still sleeping around after the whole chapter 30-38 incident. Chapter 72 just confirms where the future story is headed and I don’t know if I can handle Sasha’s level of promiscuity if the MC’s relationship with her furthers through these forced canon events.

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The doujins were made canon, and she explicitly talked about how she wasn't looking for more sex friends in 68. Even without the story rubbing it in our faces that she's sleeping around, from the retcon forward, Sasha was doing it from the start, and was going to keep sleeping around on MC as long as Hagu kept making porn of her. Exclusivity was never an option post-retcon. Hagu can't ever paint Sasha as doing something bad, so he was GOING to be ok with it somehow.

 

[CaponNC]

Honestly at this point the only thing that surprised me was that Hagu had the insight of recognizing Sasha’s behavior as potentially self-harming I didn’t think he was capable.

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I'm actually not surprised at all by this. Hagu is obsessed with Sasha but the man knows how to write and I've always had an inkling he knows the psych behind this stuff.

Biggest flag was Chapter 32, when MC brought Sasha back to his house after the whole 'Senpai stalking her at her house' shit. He went to do the decent thing of bringing her back to his home for safety. The first thing she asked was if he had a condom, because in her world, doing things for Sasha = a pretense for getting railed. Hell, with the dojins clearly seeping into the serialized series, any attention Sasha gets whether positive or negative is pretense for sex (see Pachinko-san extorting money and raping Sasha afterwards).

I bring this up because I remember having acquaintances in social work. They've told me that one of the biggest red flags for kids being abused is the 'sex as currency' mindset, and the dissociation of sex = intimacy. I maybe doing an asspull and reaching, but it was a clue that Hagu is self-aware of the kind of writing he's making.

 

[kyewby]

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Biggest flag was Chapter 32, when MC brought Sasha back to his house after the whole 'Senpai stalking her at her house' shit. He went to do the decent thing of bringing her back to his home for safety. The first thing she asked was if he had a condom, because in her world, doing things for Sasha = a pretense for getting railed. Hell, with the dojins clearly seeping into the serialized series, any attention Sasha gets whether positive or negative is pretense for sex (see Pachinko-san extorting money and raping Sasha afterwards).

The issue to me (ignoring my issues with the content itself for now) is that none of this even remotely fits into the tone that was established in the first couple of volumes. That's the main thing that makes me think Hagu is not a good writer, or at least a very one dimensional one.

Hagu trolled you all lmao.

And lmao you dumbshits acting like this wasn't a lolicon manga from chapter one and you were oh so innocent reading that.

Damn, it's almost like it's 100% possible for people to not have known the author before this series, due to not reading pedo-bait doujins. Your comment says more about you than anybody else.

 

[Dingo777]

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I'm actually not surprised at all by this. Hagu is obsessed with Sasha but the man knows how to write and I've always had an inkling he knows the psych behind this stuff.

Biggest flag was Chapter 32, when MC brought Sasha back to his house after the whole 'Senpai stalking her at her house' shit. He went to do the decent thing of bringing her back to his home for safety. The first thing she asked was if he had a condom, because in her world, doing things for Sasha = a pretense for getting railed. Hell, with the dojins clearly seeping into the serialized series, any attention Sasha gets whether positive or negative is pretense for sex (see Pachinko-san extorting money and raping Sasha afterwards).

I bring this up because I remember having acquaintances in social work. They've told me that one of the biggest red flags for kids being abused is the 'sex as currency' mindset, and the dissociation of sex = intimacy. I maybe doing an asspull and reaching, but it was a clue that Hagu is self-aware of the kind of writing he's making.

Somehow that makes it worse

 

[CaponNC]

The issue to me (ignoring my issues with the content itself for now) is that none of this even remotely fits into the tone that was established in the first couple of volumes. That's the main thing that makes me think Hagu is not a good writer, or at least a very one dimensional one.

Because it 99% likely was going for a different tone. Either Hagu was aiming to be the next 'loli sex ero-mangaka turn into next mainstream megastar' like Nanashi did with Nagatoro, or the publisher was able to keep Hagu's fetishes contained. If so, something or someone obviously lost, and Hagu retconned the first 2 volumes to fit in with the current tone.

I don't really get how his works got so popular, and now that I'm more aware of the contents I really don't get why people are openly outing themselves as the type of weird cunts who'd get off to that shit lmao.

Because Haguhagu's good art and his obsession with Sasha. He's been writing Sasha related stuff for over 11 years, which is rare in the eromanga scene, and it's clearly going to be the majority of his work. Plus Hagu is very interactive via online and meetups.

As for people outing themselves, it's because still just drawings at the end of the day and tickles an itch. It's no different when a vanilla house wife reads some absolutely horrific rape/NC/abuse/NTR AO3 fanfic, yet still is attentive to their family and has the most boring sex-life. Eromanga is just the result of decent artists able to take the fetishes out of their head and put it to paper. Also remember that most manga fetishes only fit within the context of manga aesthetics, and don't take that context outside of manga (hopefully).

 

[kyewby]

Because Haguhagu's good art and his obsession with Sasha. He's been writing Sasha related stuff for over 11 years, which is rare in the eromanga scene, and it's clearly going to be the majority of his work. Plus Hagu is very interactive via online and meetups.

As for people outing themselves, it's because still just drawings at the end of the day and tickles an itch. It's no different when a vanilla house wife reads some absolutely horrific rape/NC/abuse/NTR AO3 fanfic, yet still is attentive to their family and has the most boring sex-life. Eromanga is just the result of decent artists able to take the fetishes out of their head and put it to paper. Also remember that most manga fetishes only fit within the context of manga aesthetics, and don't take that context outside of manga (hopefully).

I'll give you the art bit, he's clearly a very good artist. But the whole "it's just drawings" argument never sat right with me - whether it's a drawing or not, it is a depiction of a child in sexual situations, drawn specifically for sexual gratification. I don't understand how anybody can see that as anything but abhorrent, unless they're also into that shit outside of manga.

 

[CaponNC]

I'll give you the art bit, he's clearly a very good artist. But the whole "it's just drawings" argument never sat right with me - whether it's a drawing or not, it is a depiction of a child in sexual situations, drawn specifically for sexual gratification. I don't understand how anybody can see that as anything but abhorrent, unless they're also into that shit outside of manga.

Spoiler: Just one random internet person's schitzo rant about the freedom to fantasize about their fetishes in a safe space.

Obviously people who read content about a fetish may be interested or have a passing thought about it, or maybe really into it. But I'd safely say most people don't act or even give their fetishes much thought a daily basis. Most people rather indulge in safe spaces that don't exploit or hurt real people: fiction, art, games, roleplaying etc. Haguhagu's dojin is not my cup of tea (I'm personally after what Zyugoya is after), but I don't care if people consume loli stuff or any other abhorrent shit like rape, gore, sexual assault, slavery, violence, etc. People are free to fantasize in make believe worlds.

Also if you dig around, the few cases of people getting arrested in Canada/USA for possessing loli manga had the courts either conclude that it didn't involve minors and considered restricting free speech (USA) or the prosecuters dropped the case when they didn't have much legal standing (Canada), and those people didn't have a megabyte of IRL child porn in their possession. While those who get charged and arrested for child porn and child sexual assault are mostly people who never even heard manga or loli art before.

Anyhow, my two cents about the subject, I'm just a rando on the internet.