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DON'T YOU RUN AWAY, YOU LITTLE...
Ahhhhhh. I'm not even surprised she ran. Just really, REALLY disappointed.
Ahhhhhh. I'm not even surprised she ran. Just really, REALLY disappointed.
That isn't really a good excuse for her, he has touched her before and she's fine with it but only after he told her his story she became like that, so I don't think it has anything to do with her being groped in the pastMost of the potential of this manga is well utilized but I felt like, so far at least, it threw the potential for Kaede himself to learn about respecting Tsubasa's boundaries, a potential which was implicitly buiding up.
While not as serious as his experience, she did tell him she was groped which is something he could consider. Chapters 7-8 for example when he reached for her hands without asking her, that was a good chance for him to reflect that everyone including Kaede himself had the potential of becoming "a giant monster" or that the social expectation of what being "a normal boy" can lead him to that path. Maybe it does in the untranslated chapters or even future ones, but so far it seemed vague and underutilized. Just now Tsubasa mentioned how she was afraid when Kaede rejected her hand which adds further to the buildup.
Just going to say that her mentioning she was groped on a train was just to relate to Kaede's own experience. That's all.Most of the potential of this manga is well utilized but I felt like, so far at least, it threw the potential for Kaede himself to learn about respecting Tsubasa's boundaries, a potential which was implicitly buiding up.
While not as serious as his experience, she did tell him she was groped which is something he could consider. Chapters 7-8 for example when he reached for her hands without asking her, that was a good chance for him to reflect that everyone including Kaede himself had the potential of becoming "a giant monster" or that the social expectation of what being "a normal boy" can lead him to that path. Maybe it does in the untranslated chapters or even future ones, but so far it seemed vague and underutilized. Just now Tsubasa mentioned how she was afraid when Kaede rejected her hand which adds further to the buildup.
I do appreciate your spoilers, and I appreciate that you're open about your bias in your recapitulations, but it's also because of your lens that-- with each chapter-- I've consistently expected her to be more of an ass than she ends up actually being.I want to see the Tsubasa defenders now.
This is why she's an ass. Right here.
Not really. Physical aspects aside, a child is not ready for adult assault of either physical or sexual variety unless they already have a history of abuse. The power dynamics alone make it difficult.People will probably give me shit for this, but her asking why didn't hey try to push her off is completely reasonable.
That's fair. It's like when I see a really hyped movie that people give glowing reviews of, and then I'm left disappointed. I felt that way with The Shawshank Redemption.I do appreciate your spoilers, and I appreciate that you're open about your bias in your recapitulations, but it's also because of your lens that-- with each chapter-- I've consistently expected her to be more of an ass than she ends up actually being.
Her mindset is stupid, simplistic and is born from a fairytale impression of romance that not even her mother is responsible for. Her relationship expectations are equally simplistic. On the other hand, as hurtful as her words are, she's constantly struggling to try to empathize with Kaede against those preconceived notions and her general lack of experience/knowledge. It's not just in this chapter-- she struggles with it when she's alone, too. She knows that what she's feeling isn't right, but she's failing to help herself not feel those things. And despite everything, it was for the best that she was honest about her cognitive dissonance now rather than later.
It makes sense for Kaede to respond the way he does to her, because he's trying hard to overcome this broad scar on his psyche (he has an even bigger uphill battle).
Perhaps it's necessary for someone like her to get a more straightforward analogy that helps her better contextualize the matter at hand, but Kaede is obviously in no position to be the person who does that (nor is that a failing on his part, nor is he obligated to do so in the first place). That said, him saying that she can only say what she's saying because she never experienced it is salient: she in fact didn't see him right after the rape. She didn't deal with him when he was a recluse. She never saw him psyching himself up and going over strategies with his friends and school nurse.
As far as I'm concerned, Tsubasa isn't an ass-- she's a dumbass whose simple life, lack of experience, and hitherto lack of need need to think deeply have contributed to (not necessarily caused) her now being way over her head. None of that is meant as a "defense" of her actions-- her failure to quash her cognitive dissonance in order to properly understand Kaede is in fact a failure. I just think that there's a lot of context under a statement like "Tsubasa's an ass" that isn't immediately apparent.
(That said, I might have been more "angry" with her if I wasn't expecting for her to just victim blame him.)
"Grown women" normally aren't strong against men, at all. Generously speaking, they'd even probably struggle against a barely pubescent teen (maybe if a given woman was heavy enough, it could be normally expected for her to have an advantage at pinning down a teen). Their body development doesn't lean much towards muscle growth.How is a middle schooler supposed to overpower a grown woman? Bite her tits off?
Think what you are saying girl!
I wouldn't call it completely reasonable-- he told her that he initially struggled but was overcome by shock.People will probably give me shit for this, but her asking why didn't hey try to push her off is completely reasonable.
I might be wrong, but I think he did tell her that he tried to fight back or resist at first, but then fear paralyzed him, which caused him to be unable to resist.People will probably give me shit for this, but her asking why didn't hey try to push her off is completely reasonable.
Funny too cause a lot of people would say the same thing about women. "Girls get wet when they're raped so they must've liked it. She could've put up a fight if she didn't like it. She dresses with almost no clothing what'd she expect?"She’s just saying what society has fed her. “Boys are strong. Boys like sex. Boys can’t get raped. He would have stopped if he didn’t like it.” We see that same kind of genuine, ignorant comments here in these comment threads from people who just can’t wrap their heads around the idea that sexual assault has no gender boundary.
The double negatives are confusing here. Do you think they get back together or not?honestly so far, the way this is written doesn't make me think these two aren't written to eventually get back together