My brain is slow, mind to explain why this is stupid gatekeep or dismissive of the male victims rather than throwing baseless slangs around? Do you even read the whole thing or address my points at all? I wasted enough time to do this 'stupid takeover' so I expect a better researched comeback.
In my opinion, acting like male rape victim of female perpetrator is as bad as female rape victim of male perpetrator is dismissive of female rape victim experience. Like how the young privileged white Western world think transfemale could participate woman's beauty paegant with all that cosmetic surgeries. Ugh western female at birth, despite all the privileges and resources to study they have a hard time to try to think critically.
There aren't even cis male victims of female rape in this thread! Until there are actual cis male victim of good-looking cis female perpetrator came to refute my points with their experience or you give actual citations and arguments I won't give into white female phony virtue-signaling words. I haven't done enough research as I would like so it shouldn't be hard to properly refute any of my points.
Sure, I'll go through it, I just didn't want to waste time incase you're baiting (which I honestly assume you are but incase someone else is confused). I'm cis male but ok not like I can or need to prove that to you. Not sure what race has to do with this, so I won't bother addressing that.
I find it hard to believe female raping male is actually physically painful as the manga states
This is your argument at face value, assuming this what you actually want to argue, your argument isn't good or respectful to the traumatic experience of rape. It implies that the male rape experience, which apart from being unbelievably personalised to those involved and their interpersonal relationships, how they react in crisis and their age, is trivialised because it "doesn't hurt." This is completely out of touch and I'm frankly confused how you could reach it.
Sure it is gross and uncomfortable for the male victim but not as physically painful as female victims since it's their dick that get engulf, none of the flesh tissues got injured. It would even feel a bit tingly and physically pleasurable even if it's f'up because it's physiology that the surface of the penis covers with pleasure nerves like the clitoris
I don't think I need to explain that the trauma from rape comes with serious and significant emotional trauma. Teachers and friends, through social systems or personal relationships, operate on great deals of trust. Naturally this trust being broken is where a lot of this emotional trauma comes from. Your hyperfocus on physical trauma fails to understand this, and ultimately establishes a dismissive tone of the rape experience. Especially when you word life shattering trauma as "gross and uncomfortable," or more insidiously "physically pleasurable." Whatever pot you smoke to draw the conclusion that it is a physically pleasurable experience must be good shit because nothing feels good about being in that situation.
Historically, female victims have to endure their hymen being ripped as well with a risk of pregnancy... That's why male sexual assault on females are physically worse than female on males.
I agree with this, purely physically speaking, rape is far more physically traumatic on females. I'm not arguing against it, I'm arguing that using this pretense to devalue the male rape experience is reductive to their trauma, doesn't help anyone, and culminates in gatekeeping
I don't personally know any male victims of female rape but in confessions of YouTube comment section and in News the victim act a bit disgusted but overall apathetic about his victimhood.
I will discuss this point after the breakdown, but like, come on...
If female raping a male is anywhere as bad as portrayed in the manga we would see a lot more males starting their own Me-Too movement and press more charges against females,
You clearly don't understand the male experience, or how masculinity affects male decision making, will go in depth below
Y'all argue about the social stigma of coming out as a male victim when victimhood is currently the social credits of the Western world.
You say you know about male stigma, despite demonstrating 0 understanding or respect to it. Next sentence is completely out of pocket, not really sure how to combat a non argument like this but it's generally emblematic of how you treat life altering trauma as a dick measuring contest. In general, your argument really falls apart after this
Males are built to want to spread their genes as much as possible and females are more selective with mating.
"MALES ARE MINDLESS BREEDING ROBOTS" isn't really condusive to human beings is it?
Sperms are almost infinite with 80-300 million per ejeculation, can be released at any time and still produced even in old age. While ~500 mature eggs are released in a lifetime, ~one egg per ovulation each month and stop at menopause (45-55 years old). One male can impregnate multiple females at the same time and repopulate the population. Part of why men are drafted into wars.
Pseudo intellectual waffelling to support argument that males are breeding robots, I think? It doesn't really prove anything.
Yes, not every male is a horndog in their teens but this is not the majority of males.
Implying most teenage/young adult male would just be, ok with getting raped? You have a degrading and dehuminising opinion on human beings. I hope you're just ignorant and not actually a misandrist.
But why do y'all think this is what realistically is like being a male victim of female perpetrator when it’s written by a woman and not an actual male victim of female rape?
"This rape of a child, from an adult whom he trusted, who used their power as an authoritative figure to disempower and perform sexual misconduct on him, during his emotionally developmental years, was intensely traumatizing. However, since the victim was a male, this kind of trauma can't be real and thus the author is projecting"
This is your real argument. This is why it is dismissive of the male rape experience. This is why what you are saying is harmful and sexist.
If a male author wrote rape and the female victim want sex when meet her right male love interest right after the trauma or that female enjoy the physical sensation of being raped y'all would think it's unrealistic too. I could make the same argument that some female act like that when it’s very rare to none-existant in real life.
There's a time skip, and the guy is clearly shown the be struggling to put his trauma behind him so your point is?
There you have it, from the spooky cis dude oooooh aaaa
Since you also clearly have some misunderstandings on how rape affects men in the long term, I'll go through it.
Masculinity, specificly toxic masculinity, dictates that males should not look weak infront of peers. This is the reason you don't hear of male rape experiences, they don't talk about them because they are societally pressured to bury trauma and emotional malhealth. This is why male suicide is 3-5x higher than female. This issue of don't tell is pervasive throughout basically all males and is why, for example, someone might get up on stage and lie about the effect something had on them in order to not look weak.
I personally have PTSD from my experience, and this takes years to recover from with therapy. Obviously long term emotional effects vary but anxiety disorders from traumatic experiences like these are far from uncommon. However...
There is little to no support structure in place for men, no therapists are trained to deal with the male rape experience, no support groups are established because men don't want to come out to other men about how for a moment in their life they where completely taken advantage of. Men don't talk about it to their friends, me who as much as I am hyper aware of all these issues can't bring myself to tell anyone except for my parents and psychologist, not even my siblings because doing so is basically inviting a panic attack, even 2 years after the event. (I can say it here because I do so anonymously)
The male rape experience is absolutely a suffer in silence thing, which is why posts line yours are so problematic. Best case scenario, you're ignorant. That much is obvious, however because these issues are often left unaddressed in males, your position furthers the destructive aspects of male identity and further prevents people from getting help. Anxiety literally ruins your life, it keeps you from taking part of living, and for males it really feels like your on your own in these waters. I would give anything to unlive these experiences but I can't, so I have to learn to live with them, I can't hang out with people older than me without involuntarily thinking "are they actually just using me for sex," or I can't hang around people when they are absolutely drunk of high without thinking "what if they lose control." Basically, before commenting anything about traumatic male experiences you should probably actually talk and make friends with some, and drop the brainless sex robot train of thought. Everyone wants a meaningful sexual relationship with someone, that's not a male thing.
Apologies for random capitalisation and wierd wording, I write mostly in german
