Seventh - Vol. 2 Ch. 10.2 - Aria Lockwood (part2)
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That would've been hilarious and neat as a premise imo. Much more interesting too if that's essentially how one could access an Acestor's Arts so to speak instead of just learning them. It'd be like playing a fighting game that has tag-team mechanics with each ancestor having different playstyles while chaining the possessions to get pretty powerful results.
It was actually the original purpose of the jewel (letting the recorded soul take over completely). But the ancestors didn’t know.
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Thanks for the chapter.
To get it out of the way first, I think the only one of the ancestors that's becoming a narrative tumor is the First. Like all the others, he has something to offer Lyle--but he did, and now he offers nothing but mindless vituperation (even one of the other ancestors pointed out his eagerness to attack Lyle) and similarly retarded behavior, all at Lyle's expense; in addition--and maybe it's just me--he also seems to cause the other ancestors' bickering, at times. The ancestors' role is a good idea, but the First embodies its poor execution--unless he, himself, is to serve as a hurdle for Lyle to overcome.
That aside, I'm happy to see someone actually acknowledge the fact I bolded in your quote. For a long time, many would forgive ANYTHING if the perpetrator was pedophile bait. What's more, this extends beyond lolicon: for decades now, authors have forgotten that villains are to be hated--you're not supposed to find them relatable, sympathetic, or otherwise likable. In this, Ceres was (so far) done correctly: she's pure, perniciously malevolent evil and operates accordingly; there's nothing about her that's meant to elicit favorable regard from the audience. The problem is that Ceres is written in a depraved era in which pedophilia is good as long as you call it "lolicon", and that the author himself is fond of "lolicon".
This sort of thing--what Aria is suffering and how she got to that point--is why I oppose the idea of unconditional filial piety. Many parents will respond to such piety with inimical behavior up to and even exceeding this, with the pious child having no recourse because the parent is effectively a god in that child's life. That profligate is a father only in the strictest sense; he didn't care that, through his own actions, he was setting Aria up to be taken. When it actually happens is far too late to suddenly be aware of that fact and full of concern.
To get it out of the way first, I think the only one of the ancestors that's becoming a narrative tumor is the First. Like all the others, he has something to offer Lyle--but he did, and now he offers nothing but mindless vituperation (even one of the other ancestors pointed out his eagerness to attack Lyle) and similarly retarded behavior, all at Lyle's expense; in addition--and maybe it's just me--he also seems to cause the other ancestors' bickering, at times. The ancestors' role is a good idea, but the First embodies its poor execution--unless he, himself, is to serve as a hurdle for Lyle to overcome.
That aside, I'm happy to see someone actually acknowledge the fact I bolded in your quote. For a long time, many would forgive ANYTHING if the perpetrator was pedophile bait. What's more, this extends beyond lolicon: for decades now, authors have forgotten that villains are to be hated--you're not supposed to find them relatable, sympathetic, or otherwise likable. In this, Ceres was (so far) done correctly: she's pure, perniciously malevolent evil and operates accordingly; there's nothing about her that's meant to elicit favorable regard from the audience. The problem is that Ceres is written in a depraved era in which pedophilia is good as long as you call it "lolicon", and that the author himself is fond of "lolicon".
This sort of thing--what Aria is suffering and how she got to that point--is why I oppose the idea of unconditional filial piety. Many parents will respond to such piety with inimical behavior up to and even exceeding this, with the pious child having no recourse because the parent is effectively a god in that child's life. That profligate is a father only in the strictest sense; he didn't care that, through his own actions, he was setting Aria up to be taken. When it actually happens is far too late to suddenly be aware of that fact and full of concern.
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For me it's a combination of these things. Villain-chan has invested me completely in wanting to see her broken and destroyed by MC after his training arc. The guidance from the ancestors is supposed to be putting him on that path but over far too many chapters there has been glacial progress on that pathway, not entirely but slowed significantly by ancestors discussions + mana drain slowing every event.
All the motivation towards seeing MC annihilate his sister is being wasted since we've barely even started building a solid foundation for MC. The nature of ancestors (but really the #1) being able to jump in and jumping in at every loose moment drains even more.
Even worse is it's quite clear where the story needs to go from here but we must needs wait.
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Hope there would be cases that'd be used then, I feel like it'd be a missed opportunity if not done imo.
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I feel like this series is the sort that would become far easier to enjoy as a large stockpile of chapters to read builds up instead of waiting two weeks inbetween the painful early content.
The original web novel was written in a way that a new chapter was updated online every single day for an entire year so the pace was able to cover for some of the stories glaring flaws that only got highlighted in manga form
I don't really care if the villain is sympathetic or not a long as they are an interesting character that being said i like how legitimate hateful and unreasonable she stays all the way to the end
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That makes sense, if it was written at that pace the changes that people wanted would've slowly got introduced over time as well.
That function is not good since it’s essentially a complete takeover with no way to return. The only case where it’s used is in the WN (LN is on a hiatus). And the one using that function wasn’t Lyle.
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It's either because Nagy used to draw for Lioncoeurl Senki which has several raunchy scenes and thus make the uploader worry about it, or it's the credit pages, you know the one that added nipples.
This is a rather mundane thing, but I disagree with the idea that villains are constructed to be hated. Rather, villains are there as obstacle for the hero characters to overcome, as foil of character, the what-if were the hero went down the dark path they should've not taken (cue Obi scene). The trait of being hated is just the side-effect of their purpose (because they are the opposition of the hero we are rooting for), but not all great villains written to be hated: Mortiary, the Joker, Hannibal Lecter, etc.
If we are to write someone to be hateable, well, we have the first ancestor right here. Or Aria's father. Neither of them are even written as antagonist, but I think anyone would agree that their characteristics are hateable.
What you wrote of villains as this pure force of malevolence, I think, is the traditional villain trope used more often in classical folktales. Nothing wrong with writing them, but it's not the only way to write a villain.
