she is beautiful - Vol. 2 Ch. 10 - the wheels on her car go round and round

[MadaDameyo]

Then you should start from chapter 1.
That's the ethics.

Lol this is not tmo

 

[the_Bear_from_Bearcave]

Oh come on. Please stop this illegal things talk and something like that. Even hackers and game piracy "the scene" have their own rules and ethics. You are too naive to think that ethics only applies to good things.

I just checked the mangadex rules. It says 2 months inactivity. I'm sorry if i made mistake. But I believe it was 6 months before mangadex down. Mangaupdates also use 6 months for inactivity.




Hey, why do you sound so mad ?
I don't hate anyone nor I tell pahayuuka4545 to stop.

Rules are needed to prevent dispute between groups. Because that happens often. The options are you start from the beginning and don't rely on other group's work or you contact the related group to get confirmation.

"just don't read it and wait for your favourite group" is not a solution and doesn't solve anything. You can say something like that because you think from reader perspective.


I actually don't want to argue and avoid conflict. So, I hope you understand.

Having your own doesn't have anything to do with ethics, you don't understand that word if you think it applies to bad things. Bullies can make rules that nerds have to give them lunch money,and say that if nerds hide it they're stealing from bullies, but if they claim it's about ethics they're lying or being hypocrites, those rules aren't ethical at all. If you're stealing mangaka's hard work by scanlating and uploading it, and then even dare to claim ownership over it, you're not only thief like the rest of us here, but also arrogant hypocrite usurping the rights of hard-working mangaka who created this, in your hubris.

As for Mangadex rules, they doesn't say anything about "sniping" at all. Mangadex rules regarding inactivity are all about that group's own chapters and their right to manage or remove the stuff they uploaded themsleves, just like most Mangadex rules, not about some made up rights to translate manga series. You can snipe as much as you want, even shitty MTL snipes of regularly updating groups are clearly allowed. The only times Mangadex will remove someone else's work is when it's the actual legal and ethical owner who demands this, via for example Cease and Desist letter. This happened with Act Age for example.

"Rules", or rather best practices, since word "rules" falsely suggests there is some authority behind them, can be useful to prevent shitty MTL translation that lower the value of original work and can even cause readers to misunderstand series or give it bad reputation, and to prevent unnecessary doubling of work when two groups do same manga, but your solution of "start from scratch" doesn't even have anything to do with this. This is just dumb wasteful make-work that nobody will even read, all to satisfy someone's fake ownership fetish of stolen goods. You can easly see what readers here, on 4chan and on Reddit and other sites think about primadonna scanlators who whine about bullshit "sniping" and their supporters. The only exception to that reaction is when group is regularly updating after raws, but someone uploads shitty scanlation, especially barely intelligible MTL, days before good translation would be put on Mangadex.

The reader perspective is the only valid one, since the only - and very arguable, I admit - moral merit of scanlation is to provide the access to manga to readers that couldn't buy it otherwise, and to popularize and promote it, leading to manga being officially translated and bought legally by more people. That's why many scanlators stop when official release arrives, to promote the legal way and to support the author, and to not steal from them, and why some scanlators give links and instructions to buy Japanese e-books of their manga in credit pages. That's why IMHO bad MTL translations are morally worse, despite both being stealing, since they can be more harmful to original author by spreading damaged version of their work. Every perspective that talks about morality but doesn't have anything to do with well-being of original author, the mangaka who drew this, isn't actually about ethics at all, it's just sniffing your own farts over the stuff you stole and arrogantly claim as your.

There was no need to snipe this, and it's kinda rude that you don't even plan on continuing.

This wasn't sniping, last group hasn't updated it in a long while by the time new scanlator worked, and even if they didn't put the rest of the chapters like they actually did, it would still be useful contribution. Stop criticizing people who do good work for us readers, in the name of made up arrogant and hypocritical "rules".

 

[Extreme-Tactician]

This wasn't sniping, last group hasn't updated it in a long while by the time new scanlator worked,

If they didn't even plan on continuing it, then I can say it's sniping.
However, since he did actually post a mass release, I didn't even know how much they put in at the time.

 

[the_Bear_from_Bearcave]

If they didn't even plan on continuing it, then I can say it's sniping.
However, since he did actually post a mass release, I didn't even know how much they put in at the time.

If the dates on Mangadex are correct, last upload of previous group was July 8, and the new scanlator uploaded it on September 11. It's whole month, and given that they translated several next chapters soon, it's not that original scanlators were waiting a month for the raws, they just fell behind the raws, just like few times before. I'm not saying it to criticize the original scanlator team, but if original scanlating team is not up to date with the raws, and its a long break that can last few month given their history, it's perfectly fine to scanlate even one chapter just to give manga more interest.

I've seen cases when someone scanlated one chapter of some barely known but cool manga, and then someone better picked it up later. Or the new scanlator got into it, like in this case, and started working on it properly.

What is really annoying is when some scanlator start to behave like they own the manga they've stolen (and we readers share the blame in stealing obviously), and start doing shit like deleting the chapters from Mangadex because someone criticized them or put "wrong" tag, or forbid them to put their own extreme political messages on someone else's work, someone who can maybe even strongly disagree with those political messages. That attitude of stealing mangaka's hard work and pretending it's your own is sickening to me.

 

[Lysard]

If they didn't even plan on continuing it, then I can say it's sniping.
However, since he did actually post a mass release, I didn't even know how much they put in at the time.

Just because sniping is a concept that you people made up doesn't mean it has any validity? It's essential mean girls made up hierarchy in highschool, but worse because this isn't highschool.

Holy shit, imagine one fan artist going to another one and saying how dare you make fanart and get more views than me! Or one company going to another and saying, hey buddy, please stop selling the same products I am because you are taking market share.
Or a game developer trashing another on itch because they used the same mechanics in their game?

Jesus its like you have no idea what business and capitalism is...

 

[Extreme-Tactician]

Just because sniping is a concept that you people made up doesn't mean it has any validity?

How about you actually go and read what I've said instead of whining literally a year later?