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[Kaarme]

And yet they never mention it again later after the initial reveal, making the author have a convenient excuse to not bring the topic of possession back, ever. Like I said, always the same. Then it goes "I was actually the villain the whole time (but my soul was misplaced in a crack that god made when their ass smashed reality)! So I have to take responsibility (despite the story is already over)!" blah blah stuff like that.

There's no more convenient excuse in existence than tell of your victims that you are just someone else possessing the body of their tormenter, so please forget all of your suffering and grudges. Nobody wants to forgive you. Every victim dreams of justice. Not to mention, what good will trying to tell people do to you? Usually these villains start as nobles, though sometimes banished to a more remote mansion. But nonetheless, they are financially well enough off even in the worst typical cases. But if you actually convinced someone of being a body snatcher, you'd likely get executed if exorcism failed. If you are a nobleman and an unknown soul from who knows where stole your son's body, you aren't going to be all happy.

Interestingly this guy, while acting quite stupidly here, has the excuse of having too little social experience from his previous life of being trapped in a hospital, unable to even go to school. So, now he has no acting skills or a sense of trying to act smartly to avoid his demise in subtle manner. What would he know when his life was spent in a hospital bed? Actually, I wouldn't have been surprised if he had tried to claim he's not Diabolo but Tanaka from Japan.

 

[GushinGranny777]

There's no more convenient excuse in existence than tell of your victims that you are just someone else possessing the body of their tormenter, so please forget all of your suffering and grudges. Nobody wants to forgive you. Every victim dreams of justice. Not to mention, what good will trying to tell people do to you? Usually these villains start as nobles, though sometimes banished to a more remote mansion. But nonetheless, they are financially well enough off even in the worst typical cases. But if you actually convinced someone of being a body snatcher, you'd likely get executed if exorcism failed. If you are a nobleman and an unknown soul from who knows where stole your son's body, you aren't going to be all happy.

You don't get it, I'm talking from a more meta perspective. I'm talking about 'true' justice for the victims, not one given artificially on a platter by the transmigrated MC. These authors always make it out for the MC to carry his burden, but it just feels like misplaced responsibly and never seem to think "What if the villain comes back?" Then people would get the wrong ideas of redemption, and then the MC will get into a deeper trouble than before if they return, cause they'll think he's untrustworthy on ANY level.

All they literally need to do is say "I'm possessing this villain guy you hate right now, so don't get any weird ideas of me changing. But I'll sign a document that says you have my permission to take my head at any time after I'm done with my business. When that time comes, you shall obtain your justice on a silver platter."

These stories almost never make use of the transmigration plot point, just there to have an excuse to use a JP protagonist. It's always following a predictable pattern, meaning character charm and setting escalation matter most. What we see in this story, and what you just explained with rational, is just fast food tier. In order to have a more interesting story with any re-established pattern cliche setting (like any fanfiction), the author needs to be more daring to gain a dedicated fan base. So if the MC gets an exorcism? EVEN BETTER THAN THE SLOP WE HAVE NOW!

It's like Plato's Allegory of the Cave; these authors fear grounds unexplored, only shackling themselves of their potential. I want to see these authors get out of the cave, but here we are, with more being trapped: making different echoes off the cave walls instead of leaving.

 

[Kaarme]

You don't get it, I'm talking from a more meta perspective. I'm talking about 'true' justice for the victims, not one given artificially on a platter by the transmigrated MC. These authors always make it out for the MC to carry his burden, but it just feels like misplaced responsibly and never seem to think "What if the villain comes back?" Then people would get the wrong ideas of redemption, and then the MC will get into a deeper trouble than before if they return, cause they'll think he's untrustworthy on ANY level.

The MC needing to deal with the villain's legacy is a core part of the genre. Of course it's technically misplaced, but that's only from the MC's (and readers') point of view. Any suffering locals only want the offender to suffer in turn. I've only seen the villain coming back extremely rarely. That's not really a part of the genre for very obvious reasons.

All they literally need to do is say "I'm possessing this villain guy you hate right now, so don't get any weird ideas of me changing. But I'll sign a document that says you have my permission to take my head at any time after I'm done with my business. When that time comes, you shall obtain your justice on a silver platter."

Sign a document? What is this, 21st century business meeting? Common people in a historical setting would find that utterly useless, though you might say expected since they are used to being cheated and oppressed by the aristocracy. Other than that, what if it never happens? That's would be everyone's first thought. So, you accept a paper postponing receiving your benefit until the other side "decides" it's the time for it. Not going to happen.

These stories almost never make use of the transmigration plot point, just there to have an excuse to use a JP protagonist. It's always following a predictable pattern, meaning character charm and setting escalation matter most. What we see in this story, and what you just explained with rational, is just fast food tier. In order to have a more interesting story with any re-established pattern cliche setting (like any fanfiction), the author needs to be more daring to gain a dedicated fan base. So if the MC gets an exorcism? EVEN BETTER THAN THE SLOP WE HAVE NOW!

It's like Plato's Allegory of the Cave; these authors fear grounds unexplored, only shackling themselves of their potential. I want to see these authors get out of the cave, but here we are, with more being trapped: making different echoes off the cave walls instead of leaving.

Now I'll get to the real point: This is escapism literature. That's the main point of all of it. You might feel like the transmigration is underused, but the whole point is that it's there. The Japanese readers stressed by their neverending rat race, which starts with kindergarten entrance exams, just want, for a brief moment, to imagine they could get transferred into a better world. Sometimes it's not a better world if it's an edgelord novel, but in that case the assumption is that they can brutally murder all of their oppressors (who are stand-ins for school bullies, their bosses at work, etc).

There must be 100 chapters of copypasta isekai novels published every day in Japan. They aren't trying to achieve anything great. It's just a format that has an endless demand in Japan, so talentless authors can keep writing. If someone actually manages to invent a new interesting twist, 20 other authors will immediately copy it. That's the business model. It's all pretty much trash.

 

[GushinGranny777]

Now I'll get to the real point: This is escapism literature. That's the main point of all of it. You might feel like the transmigration is underused, but the whole point is that it's there. The Japanese readers stressed by their neverending rat race, which starts with kindergarten entrance exams, just want, for a brief moment, to imagine they could get transferred into a better world. Sometimes it's not a better world if it's an edgelord novel, but in that case the assumption is that they can brutally murder all of their oppressors (who are stand-ins for school bullies, their bosses at work, etc).

There must be 100 chapters of copypasta isekai novels published every day in Japan. They aren't trying to achieve anything great. It's just a format that has an endless demand in Japan, so talentless authors can keep writing. If someone actually manages to invent a new interesting twist, 20 other authors will immediately copy it. That's the business model. It's all pretty much trash.

And like I mentioned in the quoted section, what matters most when using predictable patterns is character charm and escalation. Isekai is naturally escapism, but what makes good and absolute trash in these copy-paste escapism outlines are these points. Just look at 'The Eminence in Shadow', we all can predict what'll happen and represents escapism fantastically. But with character charm, plot escalation (character conflict, stakes, etc.), and fiting it all together to reach peak in catharsis: makes a damn good story with the same ingredients. Yet amateurs only see the misunderstandings and take it as the only reason why it's good.

I understand we aren't discussing the same thing, where I'm talking the potential where author could expand, where you mention the current state. That's why I constantly mention fanfiction, because I've literally seen better from fanfics than these copy-paste slops.

 

[Kaarme]

And like I mentioned in the quoted section, what matters most when using predictable patterns is character charm and escalation. Isekai is naturally escapism, but what makes good and absolute trash in these copy-paste escapism outlines are these points. Just look at 'The Eminence in Shadow', we all can predict what'll happen and represents escapism fantastically. But with character charm, plot escalation (character conflict, stakes, etc.), and fiting it all together to reach peak in catharsis: makes a damn good story with the same ingredients. Yet amateurs only see the misunderstandings and take it as the only reason why it's good.

I understand we aren't discussing the same thing, where I'm talking the potential where author could expand, where you mention the current state. That's why I constantly mention fanfiction, because I've literally seen better from fanfics than these copy-paste slops.

It's probably a bit risky for authors to spend too much time on their chapters. Some authors simply are far more talented and can quickly write interesting chapters, but most must do it robotically, which encourages tropes and cloning plots plus characters. I doubt many have much of an idea where to take the story when they began. Like Bakuman taught us many years ago from the manga pov, if one needs to keep producing pilot chapters endlessly until one catches someone's eye, it would be painful to design the whole story every time. Of course many light novelists start with (self-published) webnovels, but even then an author might not keep writing if nobody is reading.

The Japanese mobile manga platforms themselves promise their readers a certain amount of series and chapters a month, which explains why dodgy isekai novels suddenly get manga adaptations, but also why those adaptations always get the axe after a few volumes. The platforms just need new chapters endlessly, they aren't concerned with individual series longevity. While readers might love quality, it's not the highest priority, by far, in the business model.

This is something I read from another comment a while ago, so take it for what it is, credibility wise.

 

[frankieMuniez]

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[rakkunburns]

I'm getting sick of this trope, but gonna have to give this a chance I guess.

 

[JasonBourne117]

Interesting concept, only issue is that the pacing is waaaay too fast. Don't know about this one...

 

[Psychronia]

As a villainess fan, I'm contractually obligated to add this to my list.

The idea of redemption and guilt does have storytelling potential, and I hope they don't make it easy for him. But it also falls kinda flat when the person straight up isn't the one who did it.

 

[TheFelixArgyleSimp]

ill just call him Diablo to feel good

 

[Craeonkie]

oh its the "I was reincarnated as the villain with all the death flags, now to fix it and build my harem" plot again.

I think it can be done well regardless of troupe. This is not one of them

 

[Red7423]

Well, uh, I'll just put it on the pile, I guess...
I don't dislike these...

just like me frfr

 

[BigPoppaEffy]

Cool, another reincarnated as a scumbag noble trying to change the bad end...

...though trying to fix the chick he apparently put in the wheelchair is a new one lol

 

[CrimsonSix]

I always hate how the MC just accepts the new identity and not tell people that they're basically possessing the villain; the protagonist personality are always the same, literally almost no difference. It usually never matters that it's an isekai, almost no different from time travel; "Follow and defy the plot!" why not just do whatever tf you want, your probably already dead anyway (aren't you adapting too fast?). I just want something different from the same story with little changes in setting. Fanfictions are literally better than slop like this.

Why would they tell anyone? In many settings, that would make them sound like they're either crazy or a demon/evil spirit.

 

[GushinGranny777]

Why would they tell anyone? In many settings, that would make them sound like they're either crazy or a demon/evil spirit.

Like I mentioned before, it's interesting. In a rice field, wouldn't it be interesting if there was a single mango tree? A story like this is almost destined to fall towards a same predictable path: with a process that you'd only care about the effect rather than the causes/journey, much like its predecessors. The question should be, as a reader whose read these stories many times before, "Why not?" Where's the charm in eating spaghetti all day? You already know the MC will get simps even though the body they possessed is unforgivable, so why care if they don't align the same way as the rest? Shouldn't that be expected? If you have a preferred a rebranded snack, be my guest; I won't be eating.

I didn't make that comment for anyone, I made it to express my dissatisfaction of these stories recently. Go ahead and argue, I've read dozens of these stories; either web novel, manga, manhwa, manhua. I've already mentioned that even if people percieved the protagonist as an evil spirit, they would already be more interesting than others in the same setting. I just want to see the protagonist to CONTINUE affirming their true identity, even if the world was against them.