Taida na Akujoku Kizoku ni Tensei Shita Ore, Scenario wo Bukkowa Shitara Kikaku-gai no Maryoku de Saikyou ni Natta - Ch. 17 - Necessary Evil and Abso…

[WishitScans]

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[iririuuu]

the chapters are so short now that i'm kind of loosing the will to read, maybe i will let pile up for a bit, also i guess that it is no surprise that a japanese mc would "defend" slavery, it doesn't matter the context i just can't agree that this is a good option but well coming from a place full of nobles and a academy that just expulse students instead of trusting in their potential i guess that there really isn't any solution

 

[BringinTheBeefUS]

over prominence of slavery?
that shit is like classroom topic in this manga, like it the first time ever this story bought it up and not even that harsh too.

it like saying there is over prominence of folk in eating a salad. that just dumb.

are you being purposefully obtuse? or does this just come naturally to you?

 

[KaisarX]

"it is bad but what can we do?" is a bit different from "it isn't necessarily bad" to me

tbf weiss were compel to pick a fight with allen. so he may just said like that as a fuck you to Allen.

but we do know weiss point when he yap to his master. as he put it

" saying (war is bad) but without any solution is just a meaningless preaching"
it can be imply that weiss don't disagree with the evil of slavery, he just don't like meaningless activitism.
still that rely on

it isn't necessarily bad

to be weiss unconsious attemp to piss off allen.

 

[KaisarX]

are you being purposefully obtuse? or does this just come naturally to you?

said the same to you and everyone like you. just dumb down people point and go "haha it funny people i don't agree are idiot"

also, i love to speak the same level of retardation as people i reply to. take that what you will

 

[FeudalGrass]

but we do know weiss point when he yap to his master. as he put it

" saying (war is bad) but without any solution is just a meaningless preaching"
it can be imply that weiss don't disagree with the evil of slavery, he just don't like meaningless activitism.
still that rely on

Allen is a student. Recognizing "it is bad" is the first step, better than thinking "it is ok".

it is not like Allen has been doing activism either, he just recognized that "it is bad", finding solution comes next. He is working hard to get revenge on whoever burned down his village, so he has actions there.

to be weiss unconsious attemp to piss of allen.

Allen couldn't know that, make sense for him to overreact.

 

[KaisarX]

Allen is a student. Recognizing "it is bad" is the first step, better than thinking "it is ok".

it is not like Allen has been doing activism either, he just recognized that "it is bad", finding solution comes next. He is working hard to get revenge on whoever burned down his village, so he has actions there.



Allen couldn't know that, make sense for him to overreact.

yeah that valid, but we all have to agree with weiss here, that said shit like that inside a noble school is just sucidal.
depend on circumstance, Allen action of speak his piece just going to get him gun down when noble pull out other kind of "piece".

 

[manga_follow_75743857]

I don't remember if it was a previous chapter, or one of the novel versions that goes into more detail - but MC is not "pro slavery", but very much understanding of why it exists in this world, and just how difficult it would be to abolish as a practice.
As in - looking at just IRL USA history, a literal war was fought over it. And the ramifications still echo through the country's history into the present.

He lays out some of it here - he's just annoyed at the empty idealism and vacuous platitudes that Allen expresses, because it's really easy to say "[Thing] is bad", when you're not also following that statement up with meaningful steps to actually walk that talk.
He is on the record somewhere as thinking slavery is abhorrent, but he's also considering just how immense tackling the removal of that system would be, given the uphill battle of facing off against all of the nobility that not only relies on, but economically thrives on it - the situation of all the people formerly in bondage, the actual economic impact that would have to be addressed - both in terms of the removal of that labor pool, but also the money to pay them to work, the housing, clothing, food, medical care, and more they would all require, and so on.
And he also acknowledges that, in some senses, children put into bondage who've lost their families to war, abandonment, famine/disease and so on, are given some modicum of stability and material guarantee, if not comfort. It's clearly not good, but for the present moment, it means they're not on the streets either dying or resorting to violence and theft, creating downstream issues for society at large.

TL;DR Weiss is super pragmatic about the realities of it while being personally against it; Allen is 100% emotion and idealistic rhetoric but offers zero actionable solutions.


But it would seem that, where Allen is concerned, the OG Weiss is more prone to coming to the surface than normal, and in ways MC can't always anticipate and control.

Don't need to mention about the war. Just look at the border of a certain state will tell which state really wants to keep their slaves.

 

[FeudalGrass]

yeah that valid, but we all have to agree with weiss here, that said shit like that inside a noble school is just sucidal.
depend on circumstance, Allen action of speak his piece just going to get him gun down when noble pull out other kind of "piece".

yeah, he got pissed off and lost his rationality. maybe they would use this to develop him to be calmer.

 

[Skullkrusher]

Lmao bunch of morons thinking that one person can change the society to that extent with such speed.

The real world doesn't have magic, after all. In a lot of these stories that focus on a magical heroic chosen one, that chosen one can and sometimes does become so powerful that they can just magically rewrite people's minds and outlooks, and shift society overnight via that magic. So all the hero has to do is become so powerful that the world and everyone in it warps to their worldview, and their will is replaced with how the hero feels they should act.

Congratulations. You've solved all the ills of society by turning it into a carefully curated, scripted game of The Sims. But at least everyone's acting the correct way and thinking correct thoughts.

 

[Akudia94]

Since when did medieval settings contain modern clothing with modern (or at least shit that is a few centuries past medieval) architecture and building features? And when certain features did exist, they were not at the level drawn in story. So obviously don't go harping about realism in a world where people wear 19th-20th century military uniforms in an ostenibly medieval setting and the buildings are at earliest enlightenment era to like victorian or edwardian era lmao

Victorian era are 19th Century and Slavery still prevalent in other part of the world so? even the setting based on Victorian era, slavery still exist so nothing wrong about that. last slavery end on 20th century and that clothing and building absolutely not a 20th century one. like i said, Mauritania slavery on 1981, and even today, in country like saudi arabia having modern day slavery. you don't wear a collar but have little freedom and treated like slave anyway. omg, 21th and slavery still exist... imagine that.

Plus, design and architecture is from human idea and everyone could reach such idea at certain point. same goes for morality. that's why it not overnight whole world abolish slavery. some culture reach moral enlightenment earlier than others thus abolish it early than others. so just consider they achieves architecture and art enlightenment but not yet reach moral enlightenment. same goes to raising legal age for marriage. there is still part of the world 16 is legal age, not 18. so that's also parts of realism.

we only learn slavery is bad because the society learn and decided that is wrong. Morality is social construct.

 

[DeOneChester]

are you being purposefully obtuse? or does this just come naturally to you?

Yeah give up on him. Not worth your time tbh.

 

[ryuu23]

he said that because of how the slavery system takes in orphans and houses them instead of letting them turn to a life of crime that would lead to more problems for other people and would perpetuate a cycle. See how its not necessarily evil?

No, I don't see how it's not necessarily evil.
The slavery system doesn't save those people from their situation, it takes advantage of it.
I can't believe this is something that actually needs explaining.

Slavery is evil. No ifs or buts.

 

[DeOneChester]

Allen is a student. Recognizing "it is bad" is the first step, better than thinking "it is ok".

it is not like Allen has been doing activism either, he just recognized that "it is bad", finding solution comes next. He is working hard to get revenge on whoever burned down his village, so he has actions there.

This is why its so wild to me that people are on Weiss' side on this lmao. He's literally primed for a character arc to realize "Oh, maybe slavery IS bad" (Or wrestle away evil Weiss' influence if that theory is correct)

But instead you have people doing Olympic gold medallist gymnastics to be like "No no, evil Weiss is right. Slavery is good. Look at the historical context and you'll see that its better for everyone if some people are slaves for life. Human rights are made up"

Like bro...some of these commenters are really self reporting.

That said, I find their conflict interesting. Not like I have to agree with my GOAT Weiss. I'm definitely rooting for Allen to clutch up and knock some sense into him though.

 

[ryuu23]

No, we're not. I thought that's obvious. A character is allowed to have flawed views and have people still root for them regardless. We as humans of the 21st century knows FOR A FACT that slavery is evil. It's irrefutable. But when engaging in fiction, you have to see it in the character's worldview and try to understand why the character thinks like that, sometimes without having the story explicitly tells you of the reason. Within the last few chapters you should be able to take the world apart and make sense on why Weiss would have that opinion in their fictional world. Is it wrong when viewed with the glasses of the 21st century? Absolutely. Is it wrong with THEIR glasses? I can't answer.

And so for the most part I was just explaining on why he actually got angry towards Allen, because somehow people took it that Weiss is enraged purely because Allen opposes slavery, instead of being a good-intentioned-but-naive idiot in a room full of nobles.

If this were a pure fantasy story, I would agree with your arguments to some degree. In fact, I'm a great fan of flawed characters (I mean... just look at my pfp)
But it's an Isekai. Weiss is a human from the 21st century.

And it's not as obvious as you think. Some authors honestly believe that slavery isn't that bad.

Yes, Allen is naive, but that doesn't make the "Slavery isn't necessarily evil" any less problematic.

 

[cascadiareader]

It's true that Allen has no plans behind his statements, but his ideologies are certainly populist. Anti slavery sure, but I haven't seen many comments on the anti nobility statements. Bro wants to eat the rich

 

[VooXoo]

This chapter feels like is missing half of it, or the last pages, and I'm really hating how the MC doesn't notice the mental pollution of the original Weiss, his destroyign the school year by makign a lot of students unable to enroll, his massacrating the hero character, all because he is unable to keep the evil original owner feels in check, and by training he only made himself more dangerous.
The worst part is that he realized that his actions are guided from something evil and is not trying to avoid acting like that, is annoying to read, even because until now he didn't fight back that urge a single time, if he at least tried and failed it would be more acceptable.
His answer about slavery is nothing as what a normal person from our world would come up but genuinely a villain opinion.

 

[DesRa3]

Some people be straight up making up a whole imaginary enemy of "defenders of slavery"

Literally who are you fighting

 

[UdenEmpati]

IDK. to me what Weiss says is 110% hypocritical. He is also all talk and no action. Just his action is indifference, rather than being vocal about his disagreement and doing nothing like Allen. They are both the same side of the same coin.

I do agree with the one commenter who says the original weiss may be influencing the MC more than originally thought. That shadow that hangs over him is probably more than just dramatic flair when he is "acting" as weiss, but maybe more channeling his inner weiss, and it is slowly influencing him. As I feel the MC behind weiss isnt acting the same now that he is actually attending school.

You say he's all talk and no action, and then follow-up with describing his action.

How is this chapter portraying him being hypocritical? he's very much walking his walk here - he, a child in school, can do nothing constructive about a systemically ingrained evil like slavery.
If we're being super generous, he could maybe find some like-minded classmates, who hopefully have parents in important & powerful positions, who could start the process - and hope that common human greed and the tendency toward the simplest solution don't get in the way of trying to overhaul a major part of the nation's economic apparatus, much less those parent nobles have vested interests in keeping it functioning. That could only take years, if he puts everything else coming after him and his life aside.

I'll say it here so there's no misunderstanding - slavery is bad. But when it's in effect, one child isn't going to fix it just like that. Give them years, with the necessary resources and backing, and sure.

But more immediately? MC has his in-universe specter hanging over his head, tons of death flags to deal with, he's got ongoing tensions with others in his class because of the zero-sum setup of the school's point system that pits students against one another, and all of that while Allen goes more and more berserk and poses a real threat to him.

Slavery sucks, but it's a leviathan on the horizon right now compared to what the MC actually has to deal with. I maintain that the sole reason it was brought up this chapter, was as a vehicle to further illustrate the tension in ideals and mindset between the MC & Allen while also illustrating how Story Weiss is coming to the surface more and more.
It honestly sucks that the author used the Racism Card to do that, because invariably everyone discussing the manga will get hung up on how the established villain of the setting doesn't immediately go out to solve it.

Which, do not forget, Weiss very much is, "protagonist" or no.

 

[lol126]

So either our boi is really strongly pro slavery or the original is having way more influence on him lately.

I mean, it’s pretty clear that slavery in this instance is basically just that world’s version of prison