Taidana Akuyaku Kizoku no Ore ni, Kon'yaku Hakisareta Akuyaku Reijou ga Totsuidara Saikyou no Fuufu ni Narimashita - Ch. 8

Dex-chan lover
Joined
Feb 8, 2024
Messages
135
Maybe it’s paywalled (couldn’t find any posts in the previous chapter thread but it’s possible) maybe it’s not. Personally I don’t have an issue if a translation group wants to briefly put their work being a wall in order to get some amount of funding from folks to pay other members of the group. If Asmodeus Scan put it behind a wall and never put out the chapters then I’d have an issue with that however they just did a batch release a bit ago so do find it a tad slimy to try to snipe this series from them. Dragon Hatchling has this same issue where this group is poaching on that series despite it already having an active TLer. Seems this person has a habit of trying to poach series that have active TLers and it’s a tad annoying
Paywalling is not something any group should do. They don’t own the licensing rights for the Manga. Putting it behind a paywall is the same as illegally selling something they don’t have rights to sell. It’s more illegal practice than just scanlating, and is one of the reasons publishers start going harder on removing scanlated works.

Looking at Asmos upload frequency for this Manga there were a 3 month release gap up until 2 weeks ago. I can only assume that they were hiding this latest batch behind said paywall.
 
Dex-chan lover
Joined
Jan 11, 2024
Messages
1,004
Ah, a man anxious about boinking his wife, last time I saw this was: I'm The Evil Lord of an Intergalactic Empire, at least that guy has the excuse of trauma from a previous life.

Thanks for the chapter!
 
Dex-chan lover
Joined
Jan 25, 2018
Messages
286
I always thought paywallers weren't allowed on mangadex but I can no longer find it in the rules.

Nonetheless, down with paywallers, thank you for the chapter.
Rule 1.5.1: Translation groups (i.e. not Official Publishers) may not promote websites that permanently gate access to translated works behind any form of system that requires payment to view releases (e.g. paywalls, subscriptions, coin-based unlocks, etc.). Practices such as intentionally degrading freely viewable content to push paid alternatives are similarly prohibited. A group may offer paid access to their own translated works, but must ensure they are made fully and freely available after a consistent and reasonable delay.
 
Dex-chan lover
Joined
Aug 28, 2019
Messages
3,675
Rule 1.5.1: Translation groups (i.e. not Official Publishers) may not promote websites that permanently gate access to translated works behind any form of system that requires payment to view releases (e.g. paywalls, subscriptions, coin-based unlocks, etc.). Practices such as intentionally degrading freely viewable content to push paid alternatives are similarly prohibited. A group may offer paid access to their own translated works, but must ensure they are made fully and freely available after a consistent and reasonable delay.

Right; the rule is that you can take money for "early access" but you can't post a chapter to Mangadex solely as an advertisement to drive to traffic your site.

Unfortunately that "consistent and reasonable delay" part isn't as stringently enforced as I would like; we can all name a few groups where translations are paywalled until the group gets sniped, or groups who seem to only release batches of chapters when their site needs boost in traffic.
 
Last edited:
Dex-chan lover
Joined
Aug 28, 2018
Messages
2,567
Paywalling is not something any group should do. They don’t own the licensing rights for the Manga. Putting it behind a paywall is the same as illegally selling something they don’t have rights to sell. It’s more illegal practice than just scanlating, and is one of the reasons publishers start going harder on removing scanlated works.

Looking at Asmos upload frequency for this Manga there were a 3 month release gap up until 2 weeks ago. I can only assume that they were hiding this latest batch behind said paywall.
the paywaller groups are most likely the reason publishers ordered the mass dmca take down
 
Dex-chan lover
Joined
Dec 25, 2019
Messages
3,116
Paywalling is not something any group should do. They don’t own the licensing rights for the Manga. Putting it behind a paywall is the same as illegally selling something they don’t have rights to sell. It’s more illegal practice than just scanlating, and is one of the reasons publishers start going harder on removing scanlated works.

Looking at Asmos upload frequency for this Manga there were a 3 month release gap up until 2 weeks ago. I can only assume that they were hiding this latest batch behind said paywall.

about 2 or 3 weeks ago I went onto their discord to ask about a bunch of series that they had left fallow for weeks, including this one. They claimed that they were on the website or uploaded to aggregators but I never checked since I pretty much only read on Mangadex unless the series isn't available here at all. But lo and behold almost immediately after I pointed out like 3 or 4 series they had done that were all stalled out for 3+ months a chapter or two of those series suddenly appeared on here.

I also agree that paywalling stuff is just making the hobby worse for everyone because it attracts undue attention, but I do have more enmity for groups that hoard stuff to drip-feed it out in order to drive people to their paysite vs the ones that actually do abide by what Mangadex ruled, which is that groups that post here can have "early access" by donation/payment as long as they don't just hang onto stuff forever and do continue to put out chapters for free at a reasonable pace.
 
Dex-chan lover
Joined
Jan 21, 2023
Messages
1,114
Paywalling is not something any group should do. They don’t own the licensing rights for the Manga. Putting it behind a paywall is the same as illegally selling something they don’t have rights to sell. It’s more illegal practice than just scanlating, and is one of the reasons publishers start going harder on removing scanlated works.

Looking at Asmos upload frequency for this Manga there were a 3 month release gap up until 2 weeks ago. I can only assume that they were hiding this latest batch behind said paywall.
Except they’re not selling anything other then the work they did that they put time and effort into doing such as translating, editing, typesetting and proofreading the chapters. Wanting some amount of funds to do all of this is more than fair as long as it’s not permanent behind a wall. Should they be doing it? Probably not. But I can empathize wanting to get paid for work they did. I myself am working on a translation for a game that has over a million characters and over 14,000 dialogue boxes. Now I’m not getting paid for it cause I’m doing it for fun and so others can enjoy the game but it’d be nice to get some amount of funds for the work im doing.
 
Last edited:
Dex-chan lover
Joined
Jan 25, 2018
Messages
286
Right; the rule is that you can take money for "early access" but you can't post a chapter to Mangadex solely as an advertisement to drive to traffic your site.

Unfortunately that "consistent and reasonable delay" part isn't as stringently enforced as I would like; we can all name a few groups where translations are paywalled until the group gets sniped, or groups who seem to only release batches of chapters when their site needs boost in traffic.
The problem isn't that "consistent and reasonable delay" isn't strictly or stringently enforced, the problem is it's such a vague definition of time that there's no proper method to enforce it. Who defines how long reasonable is? Is their definition of reasonable similar to everyone else's? What about exceptions due to staff issues, site downtime, etc.?

There needs to be a clear directive to groups operating paywalls in any form or duration that "this is how long you have until you either list the chapter or we shut your access down."
 
Dex-chan lover
Joined
Feb 27, 2021
Messages
143
Ah yes, the heroic anon that would save me from paywalled content! This is the second manga you sniped.

And in both you include passive-agressive messages against other group that still active like this. Idk man, your arrogance rubs me the wrong way.
 
Dex-chan lover
Joined
Feb 3, 2023
Messages
676
Ah yes the usual credit page of "give money to me not the other group" lmao, how about neither, kid couldn't even hold off until this shit group translated chapter 9 which was literally published yesterday
The problem isn't that "consistent and reasonable delay" isn't strictly or stringently enforced, the problem is it's such a vague definition of time that there's no proper method to enforce it. Who defines how long reasonable is? Is their definition of reasonable similar to everyone else's? What about exceptions due to staff issues, site downtime, etc.?

There needs to be a clear directive to groups operating paywalls in any form or duration that "this is how long you have until you either list the chapter or we shut your access down."
Yeah, i mentioned this back in a reddit thread when the DMCA stuff happened and they put this rule and everyone was dooming these groups since they wouldn't be "allowed" to upload here due to paywall, but while they mention this "consistent and reasonable delay", it doesn't have a set date or anything so they could just abuse it, some groups just delay until the next raw chapter is out and they have a translation (like this serie, raw chapter 9 came out yesterday, chapter 8 was going to be here sooner than later), but some hold alot more chapters in their site and series here are behind (which quite a few series from asmodeus too), in the end after the DMCA nothing much really changed, only stuff that happened was that some groups left mangadex on the side, uploading somewhere else or using cubari links in their discords

I remember some group mentioning in their discord that mangadex staff wanted to make them change their coin system to a sub system (or it was the other way) and remove mention to their site advertising to read ahead, so they could allow their future uploads here, so this is kinda all over the place
 
Last edited:
Dex-chan lover
Joined
Aug 28, 2019
Messages
3,675
The problem isn't that "consistent and reasonable delay" isn't strictly or stringently enforced, the problem is it's such a vague definition of time that there's no proper method to enforce it. Who defines how long reasonable is? Is their definition of reasonable similar to everyone else's? What about exceptions due to staff issues, site downtime, etc.?

There needs to be a clear directive to groups operating paywalls in any form or duration that "this is how long you have until you either list the chapter or we shut your access down."
Agreed; the two go hand-in-hand really.

We need a more specific rule but it also needs to actually be applied regularly so groups that can't follow it can go rip off people on other sites instead.
 
Dex-chan lover
Joined
Feb 8, 2024
Messages
135
Except they’re not selling anything other then the work they did that they put time and effort into doing such as translating, editing, typesetting and proofreading the chapters. Wanting some amount of funds to do all of this is more than fair as long as it’s not permanent behind a wall. Should they be doing it? Probably not. But I can empathize wanting to get paid for work they did. I myself am working on a translation for a game that has over a million characters and over 50,000 dialogue boxes. Now I’m not getting paid for it cause I’m doing it for fun and so others can enjoy the game but it’d be nice to get some amount of funds for the work im doing.
You can ask for donations, but putting it behind a paywall is again highly illegal, since you are by that point selling and profiting of a product you don’t have the license to sell. And yes, if you put chapters behind paywall then you are selling said chapters. They are selling the original work, just changed the translation. Which they don’t have a license to do. Scanlation has always been seen as a payless job, since everyone with half a brain knows that there’s a big difference between demanding money for a chapter or releasing a chapter for free.

That is worse than just scanlating when there’s no official EN translation ongoing.

It’s the same if I would buy a DVD movie or game, and then make copies of said movie/game and sell the copies for a cheaper price. Do that and you won’t get a DMCA, you will immediately get a hefty fine, and possibly jail time depending how much you’ve sold.
 
Banned
Joined
Nov 18, 2018
Messages
98
Maybe it’s paywalled (couldn’t find any posts in the previous chapter thread but it’s possible) maybe it’s not. Personally I don’t have an issue if a translation group wants to briefly put their work being a wall in order to get some amount of funding from folks to pay other members of the group. If Asmodeus Scan put it behind a wall and never put out the chapters then I’d have an issue with that however they just did a batch release a bit ago so do find it a tad slimy to try to snipe this series from them. Dragon Hatchling has this same issue where this group is poaching on that series despite it already having an active TLer. Seems this person has a habit of trying to poach series that have active TLers and it’s a tad annoyinasmo
Also just noticed this group who TLed is different from the normal group. Guess they’re going into the blocked groups as I don’t like snipers and Asmodeus Scans just uploaded several chapters about two weeks ago
Asmodeus scans paywall like 5 chapters. It is not okay. And they often don’t release stuff for months.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Top