Pretty sure even if you take it into court the legal argument would be "what is the motive for cheating?" in this case you can't really say any motive, motive is important, if it turns out the motive is something that will be detrimental to the person wouldn't the courts see that as a manipulated victim then?
Not needed for games and sports. In soccer for example, if a non-keeper player touches the ball with his hands, nobody will ask them why they did it. They will be penalized on the spot. Even if they didn't score a goal nor prevented an opponent from doing so. Nothing gained, still penalized.
And it's not always needed in court either. With enough material evidence, you can skip motive completely.
I am very sure that whatever "expectations" of gain he had, were shattered the moment he stepped into the ring, saw that his loss literally did nothing for his cause or case, people didn't like him more, people didn't praise him more, they saw that he finally lost but not like he gained anything either way
I'm not going to reargue this again. Refer to my previous messages about his expectations, which were not monetary.
And seeing his expectations betrayed didn't change his actions. Refer to my poker example for reference.
Finally, refer to the manga itself. This very chapter. The MC acknowledges that he cheated.
Although he basically lost everything, he did, he knows it and he openly acknowledges it to his opponent.
If you still need him to actually gain something from cheating to see it as cheating, I can't help you anymore.
Also, per the definition you quoted: "act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage".
It doesn't say that you have to succeed. Only that you act "in order to" gain an advantage. This can be read as purpose, not actual result. And is always read as such in actual cases.
I think we're done here. Unless you raise a new point.
Not needed for games and sports. In soccer for example, if a non-keeper player touches the ball with his hands, nobody will ask them why they did it. They will be penalized on the spot. Even if they didn't score a goal nor prevented an opponent from doing so. Nothing gained, still penalized.
And it's not always needed in court either. With enough material evidence, you can skip motive completely
if you look at the world building, the rules of their thing is very different from sports so the point of you bringing up sports and poker don't even apply, since as a sport their rules are wholey decided not by a body of judges or officials but by the organizers themselves, which happens often in these types of manga, its pretty straightforward, organizers = boss, the state very rarely intereferes with matters in the colliseum
If you put in the case of the mc, it still won't pass in court should they get it there lol since the organizers could easily say "we make up the rules there and if we deem that the current champion is hated too much and we lose money from him always winning, it is our perogative to make him lose on purpose to make things exciting".
should they even get there, the state would have to file a case of fraud against the organizers themselves and the mc being the victim who was coerced into doing it will probably not be jailed for it, in most cases for these types of manga they'll either be let go or put to labor for a bit like cleaning duty or hired as security in which case he'd still be innocent
(also i read the raws,
it gets brushed off easily and princess from her actions, seems like she just either defended mc properly or brushed it off and everyone ended chearing, the matter seems to have been dropped
I'm not going to reargue this again. Refer to my previous messages about his expectations, which were not monetary.
And seeing his expectations betrayed didn't change his actions. Refer to my poker example for reference.
Finally, refer to the manga itself. This very chapter. The MC acknowledges that he cheated.
Although he basically lost everything, he did, he knows it and he openly acknowledges it to his opponent.
If you still need him to actually gain something from cheating to see it as cheating, I can't help you anymore.
Also, per the definition you quoted: "act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage".
It doesn't say that you have to succeed. Only that you act "in order to" gain an advantage. This can be read as purpose, not actual result. And is always read as such in actual cases.
I think we're done here. Unless you raise a new point.
yes he didn't because it's not like he had any choice in the matter, they'd have kicked him out otherwise, which we know he needed to be there to even survive since no one will hire someone with his class, in the whole survival sense that's all he could do properly, to earn, if he left the author made it clear that he was in a headspace that he couldn't have gotten up from it because of how people like him were generally treated, they did so by making it clear in the first few chapters
he acknowledged he purposefully lost, the term cheated was never uttered by the mc himself, he acknowledges the matches were rigged for him to lose but he also acknowledges that he never gained anything from it, which if you read he back tracks that decision by accepting the duel
Oh, so you do admit he had something to gain. And it was actually money, in the form of continuous employment.
Which he got cheated of anyway but, as I said before, isn't relevant.
I'm a bit sarcastic here, but this is a nice point you're offering me.
I consider the discussion closed anyway. I made all my points and there is nothing more I can say.
Oh, so you do admit he had something to gain. And it was actually money, in the form of continuous employment.
Which he got cheated of anyway but, as I said before, isn't relevant.
I'm a bit sarcastic here, but this is a nice point you're offering me.
I consider the discussion closed anyway. I made all my points and there is nothing more I can say.
i'll agree to disagree, to me he got cheated on, it was pretty clear
survival and doing what your employer did(which in this world wasn't even illegal in the first place since he literally did not commit a crime, the crime of fraud would fall on the employer not the employee) is pretty basic
i'll agree to disagree, to me he got cheated on, it was pretty clear
survival and doing what your employer did(which in this world wasn't even illegal in the first place since he literally did not commit a crime, the crime of fraud would fall on the employer not the employee) is pretty basic
Is he stupid enough to think the princess will thanks me for slandering her knight it in public?
If for example the princess is some kind of tyrant, his and his family life are likely finished.
In this topic was a disagreement that illustrated the nature of this postmodern world we live in: in it, an established definition can be invalidated by the perspective (or worse, feelings) of just one person. Truly a world in which everything means anything, anything thereby means everything, and thus everything means nothing; "one's truth" over the truth. The fact that this is standard operating procedure in the West (in particular) should be horrifying given the (now common) ramifications, but what makes it black humor is the fact that few seem to realize it.
I seriously have no clue what that aristo-crap's deal is. He says he's trying to get the kingdom stabilized, which would involve getting the king's attention to take action, which requires his daughter, the princess, to convince him. That princess is obviously doing things behind the scenes both to not attract her father's ire for her job, the hero's, potential to usurp him, and has her own plans that involves the MC.
Either the aristo-crap has so little faith in the princess that he tries to take matters into his own hands, or he's totally ignorant and stupid having no idea how his actions could actually make things worse for her than they already are. Moreover, trying to besmirch MC's reputation in an effort to separate him from the princess, he has no idea that he's making a beeline to her chopping block. I'm hoping to see he'll take a long, hard fall at the end of this.
Frankly, I think he just wants in between the Princess' legs. There might be a more complex reason than that (doubt it), but I can't get entirely past the fact that the MC of this manga is the only one with an obviously Japanese name--without the justification of hailing from a place based on Japanese culture or something similar. It diminishes my ability to suspend my disbelief. A shame, as the story's interesting enough to follow despite that.
