Tensei Shitara Ken Deshita - Vol. 14 Ch. 70 - Facial Muscle Death Zone

[ForTheJerusalem]

If there's no spesific specialties that only hold by one of the gender, then what transpired on the field that speaks the result. Simply put, in tenken a lot of famous strong individual/party adventurers are mostly male

And the question is why, we have seen plenty of mages so why not? Also i believe we have seen a bunch of female adventurers, some of which are even popular, so once more, why?

 

[flannan]

It's always so weird to see the cliche "women adventurers aren't taken as serious!". Do the author forget both biology and the fact that, i dunno, THERE'S MAGIC? Sure if you swing around a sword being a man is better, but i doubt launching fireballs is better if you are one of the two genders, unless you are throwing them like balls i guess.

And in the real world, there are guns. But you don't see many women soldiers. Even though the women soldiers who do exist, have shown bravery and heroism that do not lose to that of men soldiers.
Prejudice is hard to overcome.

 

[llxUnknownxll]

Red dog beast girl.
Wait, it's been a while but is the black cat beast tribe the only one that has kemonomimi instead of being anthro?

 

[Terrate]

Evil Godussy 😭

 

[lordb1]

This maybe an odd request but can we get to the food battle already.

 

[flannan]

Red dog beast girl.
Wait, it's been a while but is the black cat beast tribe the only one that has kemonomimi instead of being anthro?

All the cat tribes we have encountered so far (including blue cat tribe and whatever is the rich girl a few chapters ago) are kemonomimi.
When I was reading the novel, I was under the impression that all basic beastfolk are kemonomimi, and evolved ones are anthro. But it might vary by the kind of animal instead.

This maybe an odd request but can we get to the food battle already.

I think we're done with the sidequest, and next chapter they're going to be cooking and selling.

 

[ForTheJerusalem]

And in the real world, there are guns. But you don't see many women soldiers. Even though the women soldiers who do exist, have shown bravery and heroism that do not lose to that of men soldiers.
Prejudice is hard to overcome.

For most of our history people fought with melee weapons, so it stuck since then. There's also the fact that modern equipment is REALLY HEAVY, i believe just straight up heavier that plate armour and also mostly focused on your back, while a mage would probably carry not that much. And the fact that in WW1/WW2 women were still not accepted as someone who could do proper fighting, except for the USSR where women were allowed to be snipers/pilots.

 

[flannan]

There's also the fact that modern equipment is REALLY HEAVY, i believe just straight up heavier that plate armour and also mostly focused on your back, while a mage would probably carry not that much.

Women have about the same carrying capacity as men their size and training level. As long as they don't have to carry it in their arms. Backpacks and body armor are fine. Light machinegun is better left to a man.

But in the end, soldiers carry exactly as much equipment as they are willing to carry. It's not that hard to develop a loadout meant for women soldiers. You just give women soldiers men's loadouts, and see how it changes after a month of fighting. Then you declare the result to be the standard for women.

 

[komachi29]

And the question is why, we have seen plenty of mages so why not? Also i believe we have seen a bunch of female adventurers, some of which are even popular, so once more, why?

Because it's dangerous and magic have nothing to do with "why", you don't need huge muscle to shoot gun and operate tank with our current tech, so why there's still low number of female soldier?
because it's dangerous, because it's risky, because most people would rather safer job, because male population are higher than female
idk why you need to ask why so aggresively when the answer is so obvious unless you are mentally retarded

 

[komachi29]

For most of our history people fought with melee weapons, so it stuck since then. There's also the fact that modern equipment is REALLY HEAVY, i believe just straight up heavier that plate armour and also mostly focused on your back, while a mage would probably carry not that much. And the fact that in WW1/WW2 women were still not accepted as someone who could do proper fighting, except for the USSR where women were allowed to be snipers/pilots.

how did you know that ? why are you assuming that mage are not straining and dangerous to perform, why are you assuming on this world being mages are automatically make you invincible ? why are you assuming Enhancement of physical strenght can't beat low level mages? why are you assuming every mages would able to perform outright insta-kill spell? why are you assuming everyone just born with magic automatically make them strong when the manga/LN show many times that you need to train hard and growing pain even then some people are just too weak and would get killed if they are became adventurer.

what the fuck you talking about man?

 

[ForTheJerusalem]

what the fuck you talking about man?

Cunny

 

[dive123]

And the question is why, we have seen plenty of mages so why not? Also i believe we have seen a bunch of female adventurers, some of which are even popular, so once more, why?

Nothing special really. Just the usual "that's just how it happen to be". In case of mage, there's no difference whether it's male or female.
If there's a reason that comes to mind it might be either "male is more of a thrill seeker than female" or "adventurer is an unstable job when it comes to income, so having a stable job like being a knight is more promising for strong female"...who knows

 

[komachi29]

Cunny

someone finally take their meds and calm down ey
good for you man

 

[flannan]

how did you know that ? why are you assuming that mage are not straining and dangerous to perform, why are you assuming on this world being mages are automatically make you invincible ? why are you assuming Enhancement of physical strenght can't beat low level mages? why are you assuming every mages would able to perform outright insta-kill spell? why are you assuming everyone just born with magic automatically make them strong when the manga/LN show many times that you need to train hard and growing pain even then some people are just too weak and would get killed if they are became adventurer.

what the fuck you talking about man?

In a perfectly pragmatic world, adventuring parties would include men as frontline fighters, with women as spellcasters staying behind them. With women whose talents lie in physical area being rogue types. And men with talents in magic being magic knights.
Because men are best used as frontline fighters, with their aptitude for using physical weapons, pushing women to other roles.
Of course, that assumes single-race parties. If races come into equation, things get even more complicated, and a half-ogre woman is probably a better melee fighter than a human man.

But perfectly pragmatic worlds are unrealistic, so the real numbers of female adventurers should be determined by attractiveness of adventuring profession for women. You can expect more women adventurers in worlds where a woman can't make a career as an alchemist or soldier due to prejudice, and less women adventurers in worlds where half of monster population wants to rape them. Also, you can expect numbers of women adventurers to vary depending on adventuring's prestige compared to prostitution and marriage, especially in worlds where adventuring is seen as bottom of the barrel job for people who are one step from becoming bandits.

 

[komachi29]

In a perfectly pragmatic world, adventuring parties would include men as frontline fighters, with women as spellcasters staying behind them. With women whose talents lie in physical area being rogue types. And men with talents in magic being magic knights.
Because men are best used as frontline fighters, with their aptitude for using physical weapons, pushing women to other roles.
Of course, that assumes single-race parties. If races come into equation, things get even more complicated, and a half-ogre woman is probably a better melee fighter than a human man.

But perfectly pragmatic worlds are unrealistic, so the real numbers of female adventurers should be determined by attractiveness of adventuring profession for women. You can expect more women adventurers in worlds where a woman can't make a career as an alchemist or soldier due to prejudice, and less women adventurers in worlds where half of monster population wants to rape them. Also, you can expect numbers of women adventurers to vary depending on adventuring's prestige compared to prostitution and marriage, especially in worlds where adventuring is seen as bottom of the barrel job for people who are one step from becoming bandits.

i mean there's nothing too deep about this, everybody just have different speciality and strenght
having magic just doesn't really gonna solve everything as the series show us many times
so if we look at evident so far, you can boost your physical strength with skill and magic are quite rare.
notable female adventurer/fight we see so far

• female archer of group fran save before goblin stampede on allesa
• female spellcaster during the stampede
• Female warrior during F-rank exam
• female healer from cruz party
• pirate princess, a swordmaster

i mean it is what it is, 2 mages and one of them are healer. prob either because mages are rare or other classes are a lot easier to master.
imagine you have to chant for 30 second for a fireball, you would rather just bonk the enemy
manga wise, the only really strong mages we encounter are Jeann as necromancer and lich. and both of them are either Rank B or Treat Level A.


TLDR; Magic doesn't solve everything if everyone can do something equivalent of magic with"skill" "talent" "status effect" or even "title buff"

 

[AnotherDuck]

Fake eyepatch girl sure is a piece of work.

Fran, it's okay! It takes a while to relearn how to express yourself.

She's good at expressing herself. If there's food in front of her.

I love how someone basically called Fran a psychopath to her face.

I mean, her mental state isn't exactly normal. But I wouldn't go that far.

Looks to be a little of both.

Pun very much intended.

The evil god is hot but probably a loli
Dam that was a cute and funny emotionless face off

Got to be the biggest loli I've seen, then... And yes, cute and funny.

Evil god is evil

i think

I'm not too sure. I require additional data. Photographic evidence will suffice.

It's always so weird to see the cliche "women adventurers aren't taken as serious!". Do the author forget both biology and the fact that, i dunno, THERE'S MAGIC? Sure if you swing around a sword being a man is better, but i doubt launching fireballs is better if you are one of the two genders, unless you are throwing them like balls i guess.

Sometimes there's gender specific magic, usually in favour of female, but not here AFAIK. IRL there are many reasons why women aren't nearly as common on the battlefield, cultural, psychological, and physical, so I don't think it's strange that those ideas live on in fantasy manga, in particular since several of them are probably still true in those stories. And most of the time I see it it's to depict someone (or society) as sexist anyway.

As an aside, I wouldn't call it a "cliché" if it's something that's still true in real life. It's like calling it a cliché that men are generally stronger than women, or that people (usually men, but not exclusively) working hard, dirty jobs tend to have rough personalities. "Stereotype" might be a better word.

Women have about the same carrying capacity as men their size and training level.

The keywords there are "their size", since women are generally smaller. But yeah, for the same size, gender doesn't matter much for carrying capacity, since that's mostly about overall endurance (which varies more between individuals than between genders), and the weight is mostly on the legs and core. But as you also implied, when it comes to other types of manual labour, men have the advantage with a different build that can exert more strength in those areas (mainly upper body strength).

You just give women soldiers men's loadouts, and see how it changes after a month of fighting.

That kind of happens when a lot of women to join male-dominated jobs. Safety tends to go up, and job ergonomics get a different focus. In combat (and adventuring) women will learn how to pack and behave so it suits them better, which makes them more effective than if they just straight up copy men. It may or may not be less effective than the men, but it's more effective for them.

because male population are higher than female

No. The difference is insignificant. It depends a bit on where you live, like China, India, the Middle East, and Northern Africa has more men, while most of the rest of the world has more women. However, the difference is not more than one or two percent, which doesn't matter in the grand scope of things.

And attack the argument, not the person. Don't call people retards. Doing so tells us more about you than about whoever you're insulting.

 

[flannan]

i mean it is what it is, 2 mages and one of them are healer. prob either because mages are rare or other classes are a lot easier to master.

Amanda's explanation makes it clear that unless you are born with that talent (like wood elves and wood magic), unlocking a new element takes a lot of effort before you can cast even the smallest spell.
In contrast, anybody can take a sword or a spear, and start swinging them around.
Thus, magic training is either done by experienced adventurers who have the money and seek more tricks in their hat, or by relatively well-to-do people who might aim for a position like "court wizard" or "healer at a temple", and only see adventuring as a way to hone their skills and get the necessary credentials.
Amanda seems to be of the first kind.
At least, this seems to explain why we don't see many powerful mages around, even though magic wielded by warrior-type adventurers like Amanda and the Thousand Swords seems powerful enough to be an adventurer without relying on weapons.

And it looks like the situation can't be changed without state-sponsored or guild-sponsored magic education.

 

[komachi29]

No. The difference is insignificant. It depends a bit on where you live, like China, India, the Middle East, and Northern Africa has more men, while most of the rest of the world has more women. However, the difference is not more than one or two percent, which doesn't matter in the grand scope of things.

And attack the argument, not the person. Don't call people retards. Doing so tells us more about you than about whoever you're insulting.

well you don't know that, that's why im saying don't make strong assumption since even LN or WN telling us anything about it. what if the world of tenken have 70% more male population ? we don't know because it's not real world and there's no way to meassure it

well there's difference between trying to discuss honestly and trying to find an answer, and doesn't really care about the actual truth and all you want is just pushing certain agenda insisting on your own delusion.
if you doing that? im gonna call you retarded, sorry. because unlike you and flannan who only seek to discuss and sharing thought
that guy clearly doesn't care about finding the actual answer and just want to hear what he want to hear and get affirmation for it

 

[komachi29]

Amanda's explanation makes it clear that unless you are born with that talent (like wood elves and wood magic), unlocking a new element takes a lot of effort before you can cast even the smallest spell.
In contrast, anybody can take a sword or a spear, and start swinging them around.
Thus, magic training is either done by experienced adventurers who have the money and seek more tricks in their hat, or by relatively well-to-do people who might aim for a position like "court wizard" or "healer at a temple", and only see adventuring as a way to hone their skills and get the necessary credentials.
Amanda seems to be of the first kind.
At least, this seems to explain why we don't see many powerful mages around, even though magic wielded by warrior-type adventurers like Amanda and the Thousand Swords seems powerful enough to be an adventurer without relying on weapons.

And it looks like the situation can't be changed without state-sponsored or guild-sponsored magic education.

yeah, i mean not even elf are that bonker on magic when they are supposedly race with the highest affinity with magic. klimt nephew seen only cast low level magic and summon.
i think magic are just kinda ineffective on low level and rare to begin with, i think the biggest reason probably it's so easy to get "skill" when all you need to do is find a mentor with that skill, find out if they are posibble to learn, and train hard to obtain and level that skill.
i mean it's probably still hard, it just small spoiler iirc even fran still took quite a while to maxed out skill.
i remember she' really get into trap disarming so she learn that skill and took her 3 days to Level 10 them, with all xp boost and acceleration status on top of that. normal people probably gonna took 100x longer.

amanda and forlund just the beast so probably not the norm lol, but yeah i think if you work hard enough and the god bestowed you with special title. you probably not gonna care if you learned magic or not at that point.

 

[AnotherDuck]

well you don't know that, that's why im saying don't make strong assumption since even LN or WN telling us anything about it. what if the world of tenken have 70% more male population ? we don't know because it's not real world and there's no way to meassure it

If things aren't mentioned, they aren't significant. Now, that might differ depending on what it is, since some things aren't significant yet, but gender balance is something that affects the entire society, so it'd be weird if it hadn't been mentioned. I don't think the storytelling here is so loose that it'd miss something like that.

if you doing that? im gonna call you retarded, sorry.

That just puts you at their level.