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damn ya'll are toxic af lol dont read it if u dont like it, simple.
The Abandoned Empress
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Fuckin sad when people don't even want to give second chances to the new timeline when the prince still haven't done anything wrong. You guys are just pathetic. He's not my favourite, but even I will admit that the current Ruve is nothing like the previous Ruve, and that the current Ruve shouldn't hold the previous Ruve's sins.
It is MC's right to choose whoever she wishes. And the fact that she can differentiate between the current and previous Ruve makes her more mature than some of the stupid readers here lmao.
It is MC's right to choose whoever she wishes. And the fact that she can differentiate between the current and previous Ruve makes her more mature than some of the stupid readers here lmao.
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@Elfiex3 please respect the opinion of others your comment doesn't make you sound as mature as you might think. Also this case is like the common ethical question about "killing Hitler if someone went to the past and he was a baby". It is a typical ethical dilema in which some people argue he hasn't done anything while others argue he is capable of doing it so it would be better to kill him. In this case many are not content with the idea of someone who treated the FL the way he did. While he hasn't done it in the new timeline it doesn't change the fact that he was capable of doing it. Thus some people are not happy with how things ended in the LN no matter how pretty you color it. It seems forced in a way thus turning peoples opinion about the story in a 180 view.
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Was planning to read this but then saw the spoilers so I decided to not waste my time to see the shtty abuser winning. Agreed to what @duskyloltun said.
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all i have to say is best boi carsein
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@Kinopecan
There are MANY of websites you can read it on like 365manga or Mangaomg (Novel Cool and Mangafast, just to name a few more). I used to read it on Wakamics since they update pretty fast but something is going on over there to where it’s mostly Xianxia of Wuxia now with hardly any Korean Manhwas ( Maybe just the server? (*shrugs *)). Be warned, some websites like the ones in the parentheses have a lot of kinds ads there (To be honest, it’s pretty irritating at times) ... Soooo....
Hope this helps! ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
There are MANY of websites you can read it on like 365manga or Mangaomg (Novel Cool and Mangafast, just to name a few more). I used to read it on Wakamics since they update pretty fast but something is going on over there to where it’s mostly Xianxia of Wuxia now with hardly any Korean Manhwas ( Maybe just the server? (*shrugs *)). Be warned, some websites like the ones in the parentheses have a lot of kinds ads there (To be honest, it’s pretty irritating at times) ... Soooo....
Hope this helps! ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
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I actually enjoy this, why yall gotta be negative man. 😢
It's sad that so many people read the ending and went "shit, the FL ended up with the Prince, instant drop" without knowing that the reason the Prince's personality got warped in the original timeline is that aristocrats have constantly manipulated him into hating the MC etc. Haven't you guys heard of Nurture>Nature? In the new timeline, the MC, though mostly unwittingly, separated the Prince from the nobles that wanted to nurture him in a negative way.
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I've been struggling to find the right words to express my unnecessary hatred and gripe with stories like these. And this isn't because of the male lead. Then, I saw someone else reviewed it, and with such glory, she/he took the words right out of my mouth. Or maybe essay, because this is long. It was fun to read though. If you find it tedious, move on.
Be warned, this is filled with spoilers.
Now, my opinion much aligns with the above. I would say this is just lazy writing, and you can enjoy it as such, but after years of reading shoujo manga that throws in rape and trauma for the sake of dramatizing the plot, I'd say it's an issue especially when this is read by a very young audience. It's very rare for authors to write such a heavy topic with respect and actually understanding what they're writing. I'm no professional writer, so who am I to point fingers and judge? I'm a mere reader. And that's the point though, as an avid reader ever since a young age, I've seen many other teenagers romanticizing things and behaviors that shouldn't be romanticized. So there's that. There's much writing material potential in a story with such heavy topics. And I'll be blunt and a little bit mean. A real pity the popular sections are infested with a bunch of manga/manhwa/manhuas derived from a novel like a poorly written fanfic. I am not here to take your fun away, no one cares what you read. But boy might it be controversial to say that a lot of these are clearly written by a complete amateur with no experience, and drawn by a very talented artist.
Be warned, this is filled with spoilers.
As someone who was constantly physically and mentally abused by the person who I thought I "loved", and has read a sh*t ton of literary works about victims of PTSD, I must say I haven't felt cold rage like this in awhile after reading a webtoon.
I'll be focusing on chapters 7-68, where the FL unrealistically goes from
"I'm f*cking terrified at the sight of ML" to "Yea I guess we cool now. Let's talk about flowers, hm?" My focus is Tia and Tia only. Beware this will be detailed and long af. Bear with me.
The first few times she meets the ML, she's scared sh*tless. She freezes, is unable to talk, etc. Understandable reaction. Moving on.
The third time, she bumps into him and goes "He must be mad at me. Why isnt he mad at me?" "Why do you always look at me with resentment and hatred?" All she thinks about is him, him, him, him. Girl why don't you ask yourself if you're okay with meeting your killer?! Why do you have to keep wondering about him? Aren't you the victim here?
In ch. 25 during a play, ML agrees that FL looked cute the other day, and she blushes. Yep, if my torturer said I looked cute I'd definitely blush too, instead of puking my guts out.
After the falling chandelier accident, FL thinks "Are we not meant to be together after all?" Is she... is she mentally ret*rded? Or is she really just that dumb? God himself told her that she's the wrong choice so why is she still-
Anyway, moving on. In ch. 34, he escorts her home and she's all "Why? I thought he hated me?". When he leaves, she thinks "Why do I feel so empty? Perhaps he escorted me because he was worried about me" I sh*t you not. I was so f*cking close to throwing my phone against the wall.
Miss? Did you perhaps lose your braincells after being reborn? I wonder how such a thought even CROSSED her mind. She should be fantasizing about shooting arrows into his body, not that bullsh*t. Keep in mind this is only their fifth meeting.
In ch. 43 at the ML's coming of age party, she stands close to the ML and links arms with him. Wow. One would think that being in such close proximity with one's torturer will make one feel nauseous at the very least. But nuh-uh. Not our MC. She looks just fine, nothing to worry about. She's already at that stage of healing where she doesn't mind about being close to him and touching him. We love fast development, don't we?
Later, she goes outside and says "It's suffocating" Oh FINALLY!! I thought she already overcame her trauma and sh*t. Turns out she doesn't feel okay, huh? But then she follows up with "I feel nauseous....... from the crowd."
Pardon???So being in close proximity with her torturer/killer doesn't suffocate her but the crowd does? Has she lost her damn mind?
In ch. 52 when he visits her castle, she serves him his favorite food and drinks. Why? Why is she like this? Who the f*ck- who in their right mind would VOLUNTARILY serve their torturer, killer of their child, with their favorite food (unless it's laced with poison) ? At this point, I was inclined to believe that Tia is the crazy one, not the ML.
Then, ML triggers her PTSD. She's unresponsive for some time, has a dream about her past and present, wakes up, reads a letter from Allen that says "Please dont trap yourself in the past only to neglect the present. I know how wise you are, so I know you can overcome this"
Nice words, really. FL is all like "Oh wow tru!!! I guess I'm different now?? I'm okay" I truly envy how easily it is for her to be okay again after she's just had an "episode". Look, I'm not saying that she should dwell in her depression and all. I'm just saying:
I wish it was that easy in real life.
And now we finally get to chapter 68, where she meets the ML again after awhile. This is their eight encounter (she's 14/15 now). Last time they met, he triggered her PTSD. Now? She has no such concern like "What if the same thing happens again? What if after all this time, I still can't stand him? What if the progress I've made this far means nothing?"
None of that happens. She only feels a bit awkward and agrees to go on a walk with him. Instead of being wary and on guard around him, she just casually chats with him like old buds, talking about flowers. Yes, flowers. No sh*t.
At this point, I was so confused. I checked to see if maybe I missed a few chapters? Did I miss her character growth? Why is she so normal around him now? How-
All right. Try to calm down, brain.
If you say "Yea but the ML is different tho? He's not the same person. It's like two different people entirely. Plus, he's still a child." My God, IT DOESNT MATTER! What matters the most is how the author so badly handled the way victims of PTSD deal with trauma.
Let's put ourselves in FL's shoes:
1. She doesn't know that the past ML was constantly poisoned with psychotic drugs.
2. She doesn't know that the present ML is starting to slowly "change for the better". Only us readers know that, because we've seen his pov.
Repeat: SHE DOESN'T KNOW SH*T.
All she knows is: this dude, no matter that he's still a child, was the one who killed her unborn baby, her father, and her. His face alone is a constant reminder that he was the one who r*ped, psychologically tortured, and thought she was worse than dirt for years with no regret whatsoever. Period. So it drives me absolutely insane why she would treat him so kindly.
You may argue that "It took years for her to get to that point" Okay then. We're talking four, five years at most?
1. During that time, did she consult with an expert or an adult on how to properly deal with her horrible past? No. She could easily use "I keep having this horrible nightmare, can you please help me?" as an excuse, but nope. No expert was consulted with.
2. Next, "She can overcome it because she has a strong support system"
Tell me, how many people know about Tia's past life? Allen, her Dad, and the ML. Allen (a psycho teen) straight up didn't trust her at first, her Dad basically only said "You're strong for overcoming that sh*t" and there is no more conversation regarding that. Case closed. As for the ML, he knows not because FL trusts him and confides in him, but because this little sh*t read a personal letter sent by FL's close friend (Did he perhaps skip all his etiquette lessons growing up?). And guess what? His advisor also knows the contents of that VERY PRIVATE LETTER. Wow
How nice of him I'm amazed It took her years to spill her guts out to her two loved ones, yet now he knows it too. For shame.
While it is true that having a support system helps a sh*t ton in overcoming one's trauma, in FL's case, who exactly helps her deal with her past trauma? Every time someone asks if she's okay, she lies and says that she is. Is that what you call healing? Being helped by the people around you?
I agree with this statement:
You can argue Tia has a support system but having people around you isn't equal to getting the help you need.
I agree she talks to her father about what happened but it's just one step. Plus talking isn't equal to therapy.
3. And how about exposure treatment? How many times does she interact with the ML up to ch. 68? Eight, ladies and gents.
First three times she's scared
Fourth time, she turns into a blushing maiden because he calls her cute (Uh, what?)
Fifth time, she feels empty when he leaves her and wonders if he's worried about her (Again, wha-?)
Sixth time, she's okay with being close to him. 10/10. No problemo
Seventh time, she has an "episode", triggered by the one and only ML
Eight time, they're okay. Bit awkward, but they talk about flowers which is nice isn't it?
Phew. So, she received no counseling/help from any adult (except her Dad), only spoke about her past twice, always said "I'm fine" when asked, yet suddenly she's now okay with chatting casually with the ML? Great. Fantastic character development. Superb writing.
The author didn't see fit to include small yet important developments like "I can now look him in the eye without being terrified"
"I can be in the same place as him without wanting to pull my hair out"
"I can stand close to him without feeling repulsed"
"I can look at his face without being reminded of how badly he mistreated me in the past"
We don't see that kind of development, do we?
1st ML was literally FL's entire world, her one and only, yet she was constantly dragged through the dirt by him, psychologically tortured, r*ped, told her child wasn't worth sh*t (despite not even being BORN yet), had a miscarriage because of him, manipulated her into thinking that he killed her dad, then forced her to surrender the ONE THING left she held high at that time, her pride. He mentally crucified her, again and again.
All that, and she was only 17 years old.
Please, please tell me how you expect me to believe that this teenage girl dealt with this kind of trauma and abuse and hatred in just a few years, with barely any help?
I'll be focusing on chapters 7-68, where the FL unrealistically goes from
"I'm f*cking terrified at the sight of ML" to "Yea I guess we cool now. Let's talk about flowers, hm?" My focus is Tia and Tia only. Beware this will be detailed and long af. Bear with me.
The first few times she meets the ML, she's scared sh*tless. She freezes, is unable to talk, etc. Understandable reaction. Moving on.
The third time, she bumps into him and goes "He must be mad at me. Why isnt he mad at me?" "Why do you always look at me with resentment and hatred?" All she thinks about is him, him, him, him. Girl why don't you ask yourself if you're okay with meeting your killer?! Why do you have to keep wondering about him? Aren't you the victim here?
In ch. 25 during a play, ML agrees that FL looked cute the other day, and she blushes. Yep, if my torturer said I looked cute I'd definitely blush too, instead of puking my guts out.
After the falling chandelier accident, FL thinks "Are we not meant to be together after all?" Is she... is she mentally ret*rded? Or is she really just that dumb? God himself told her that she's the wrong choice so why is she still-
Anyway, moving on. In ch. 34, he escorts her home and she's all "Why? I thought he hated me?". When he leaves, she thinks "Why do I feel so empty? Perhaps he escorted me because he was worried about me" I sh*t you not. I was so f*cking close to throwing my phone against the wall.
Miss? Did you perhaps lose your braincells after being reborn? I wonder how such a thought even CROSSED her mind. She should be fantasizing about shooting arrows into his body, not that bullsh*t. Keep in mind this is only their fifth meeting.
In ch. 43 at the ML's coming of age party, she stands close to the ML and links arms with him. Wow. One would think that being in such close proximity with one's torturer will make one feel nauseous at the very least. But nuh-uh. Not our MC. She looks just fine, nothing to worry about. She's already at that stage of healing where she doesn't mind about being close to him and touching him. We love fast development, don't we?
Later, she goes outside and says "It's suffocating" Oh FINALLY!! I thought she already overcame her trauma and sh*t. Turns out she doesn't feel okay, huh? But then she follows up with "I feel nauseous....... from the crowd."
Pardon???So being in close proximity with her torturer/killer doesn't suffocate her but the crowd does? Has she lost her damn mind?
In ch. 52 when he visits her castle, she serves him his favorite food and drinks. Why? Why is she like this? Who the f*ck- who in their right mind would VOLUNTARILY serve their torturer, killer of their child, with their favorite food (unless it's laced with poison) ? At this point, I was inclined to believe that Tia is the crazy one, not the ML.
Then, ML triggers her PTSD. She's unresponsive for some time, has a dream about her past and present, wakes up, reads a letter from Allen that says "Please dont trap yourself in the past only to neglect the present. I know how wise you are, so I know you can overcome this"
Nice words, really. FL is all like "Oh wow tru!!! I guess I'm different now?? I'm okay" I truly envy how easily it is for her to be okay again after she's just had an "episode". Look, I'm not saying that she should dwell in her depression and all. I'm just saying:
I wish it was that easy in real life.
And now we finally get to chapter 68, where she meets the ML again after awhile. This is their eight encounter (she's 14/15 now). Last time they met, he triggered her PTSD. Now? She has no such concern like "What if the same thing happens again? What if after all this time, I still can't stand him? What if the progress I've made this far means nothing?"
None of that happens. She only feels a bit awkward and agrees to go on a walk with him. Instead of being wary and on guard around him, she just casually chats with him like old buds, talking about flowers. Yes, flowers. No sh*t.
At this point, I was so confused. I checked to see if maybe I missed a few chapters? Did I miss her character growth? Why is she so normal around him now? How-
All right. Try to calm down, brain.
If you say "Yea but the ML is different tho? He's not the same person. It's like two different people entirely. Plus, he's still a child." My God, IT DOESNT MATTER! What matters the most is how the author so badly handled the way victims of PTSD deal with trauma.
Let's put ourselves in FL's shoes:
1. She doesn't know that the past ML was constantly poisoned with psychotic drugs.
2. She doesn't know that the present ML is starting to slowly "change for the better". Only us readers know that, because we've seen his pov.
Repeat: SHE DOESN'T KNOW SH*T.
All she knows is: this dude, no matter that he's still a child, was the one who killed her unborn baby, her father, and her. His face alone is a constant reminder that he was the one who r*ped, psychologically tortured, and thought she was worse than dirt for years with no regret whatsoever. Period. So it drives me absolutely insane why she would treat him so kindly.
You may argue that "It took years for her to get to that point" Okay then. We're talking four, five years at most?
1. During that time, did she consult with an expert or an adult on how to properly deal with her horrible past? No. She could easily use "I keep having this horrible nightmare, can you please help me?" as an excuse, but nope. No expert was consulted with.
2. Next, "She can overcome it because she has a strong support system"
Tell me, how many people know about Tia's past life? Allen, her Dad, and the ML. Allen (a psycho teen) straight up didn't trust her at first, her Dad basically only said "You're strong for overcoming that sh*t" and there is no more conversation regarding that. Case closed. As for the ML, he knows not because FL trusts him and confides in him, but because this little sh*t read a personal letter sent by FL's close friend (Did he perhaps skip all his etiquette lessons growing up?). And guess what? His advisor also knows the contents of that VERY PRIVATE LETTER. Wow
How nice of him I'm amazed It took her years to spill her guts out to her two loved ones, yet now he knows it too. For shame.While it is true that having a support system helps a sh*t ton in overcoming one's trauma, in FL's case, who exactly helps her deal with her past trauma? Every time someone asks if she's okay, she lies and says that she is. Is that what you call healing? Being helped by the people around you?
I agree with this statement:
You can argue Tia has a support system but having people around you isn't equal to getting the help you need.
I agree she talks to her father about what happened but it's just one step. Plus talking isn't equal to therapy.
3. And how about exposure treatment? How many times does she interact with the ML up to ch. 68? Eight, ladies and gents.
First three times she's scared
Fourth time, she turns into a blushing maiden because he calls her cute (Uh, what?)
Fifth time, she feels empty when he leaves her and wonders if he's worried about her (Again, wha-?)
Sixth time, she's okay with being close to him. 10/10. No problemo
Seventh time, she has an "episode", triggered by the one and only ML
Eight time, they're okay. Bit awkward, but they talk about flowers which is nice isn't it?
Phew. So, she received no counseling/help from any adult (except her Dad), only spoke about her past twice, always said "I'm fine" when asked, yet suddenly she's now okay with chatting casually with the ML? Great. Fantastic character development. Superb writing.
The author didn't see fit to include small yet important developments like "I can now look him in the eye without being terrified"
"I can be in the same place as him without wanting to pull my hair out"
"I can stand close to him without feeling repulsed"
"I can look at his face without being reminded of how badly he mistreated me in the past"
We don't see that kind of development, do we?
1st ML was literally FL's entire world, her one and only, yet she was constantly dragged through the dirt by him, psychologically tortured, r*ped, told her child wasn't worth sh*t (despite not even being BORN yet), had a miscarriage because of him, manipulated her into thinking that he killed her dad, then forced her to surrender the ONE THING left she held high at that time, her pride. He mentally crucified her, again and again.
All that, and she was only 17 years old.
Please, please tell me how you expect me to believe that this teenage girl dealt with this kind of trauma and abuse and hatred in just a few years, with barely any help?
Now, my opinion much aligns with the above. I would say this is just lazy writing, and you can enjoy it as such, but after years of reading shoujo manga that throws in rape and trauma for the sake of dramatizing the plot, I'd say it's an issue especially when this is read by a very young audience. It's very rare for authors to write such a heavy topic with respect and actually understanding what they're writing. I'm no professional writer, so who am I to point fingers and judge? I'm a mere reader. And that's the point though, as an avid reader ever since a young age, I've seen many other teenagers romanticizing things and behaviors that shouldn't be romanticized. So there's that. There's much writing material potential in a story with such heavy topics. And I'll be blunt and a little bit mean. A real pity the popular sections are infested with a bunch of manga/manhwa/manhuas derived from a novel like a poorly written fanfic. I am not here to take your fun away, no one cares what you read. But boy might it be controversial to say that a lot of these are clearly written by a complete amateur with no experience, and drawn by a very talented artist.
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@BonFkingBon Gotta admit I loved your comment and the comment you cited. It points out the flaws in the FL so well. Everyone just blames the prince and hates him for
but no one really looks at the flaws in the FL in terms of
.
I just take this for fun. I honestly don't take it seriously.
It's probably like reading 50 Shades in terms of BDSM. I haven't read the book, but that's cause once I learned it was trashy romance fanfiction made into an actual book and the author hadn't changed anything but the names. That, well, that just made me not want to read it at all. I love fanfiction and some of it is epic awesome, but the trashy kind tends to not be researched well because it's supposed to be for silly fun. Not for a good serious romance story.
You take it with a tiny grain of salt and don't romanticise it at all. If you do you had damn well have read and researched the shit out of the topic it's handling and know that the romanticising part should be fantasy only.
what his alternate self did,
PTSD
I just take this for fun. I honestly don't take it seriously.
It's probably like reading 50 Shades in terms of BDSM. I haven't read the book, but that's cause once I learned it was trashy romance fanfiction made into an actual book and the author hadn't changed anything but the names. That, well, that just made me not want to read it at all. I love fanfiction and some of it is epic awesome, but the trashy kind tends to not be researched well because it's supposed to be for silly fun. Not for a good serious romance story.
You take it with a tiny grain of salt and don't romanticise it at all. If you do you had damn well have read and researched the shit out of the topic it's handling and know that the romanticising part should be fantasy only.
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@BonFkingBon I totally agree with everything you wrote, as someone who had gone through a
, the FL fkkin is pissing me off. I mean, I didn't hate the prince, is just that it's stupid to end up with someone who rapes and kill your father. Even if the prince didn't do it on the new timeline but hell the prince has the same face and voice as someone who did it on previous timeline.
Also the fact
is just straight up lazy writing. Lol
s*xual assault
Also the fact
that the writer need to made the other potential ML to be psychopathic just so the FL won't end up with him
is just straight up lazy writing. Lol
@CherriDoesStuff I guess u romanticize abusive relationships.
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@BonFkingBon Honestly you're a legend and a fucking half. My only critique would be the following portion:
I feel that the whole why isn't he mad at me portion might just be because a deviation from the norm can be perceived as a danger warning. Like if some asshole who is harassing you constantly suddenly starts warming up to you, my first thought is that this fucker is planning something big. So I'd be hyper focused on them so I don't get blindsided.
Everything else is fucking amazing though. Like Jesus Christ. You saved me a fuck ton of time that I didn't have to waste reading this dog shit. Bless my dude.
I feel that the whole why isn't he mad at me portion might just be because a deviation from the norm can be perceived as a danger warning. Like if some asshole who is harassing you constantly suddenly starts warming up to you, my first thought is that this fucker is planning something big. So I'd be hyper focused on them so I don't get blindsided.
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@darewin that may be the case but it doesn’t change the fact that the ML mentally, physically and s*xually abused/assaulted/tortured the FL on many different occasion. She was literally left with so much trauma and PTSD... I personally think it’s absolutely disgusting and I would burn this story if I could
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Got this as a amv youtube recommendation. Cause i saw an amv Who made me a princess. Anyway search up abanded empress out of curiosity. Seeing from the comments its a terrible story/plot. So yeah im not going to read it. Thank you comment section.
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