The Dangers in My Heart - Vol. 8 Ch. 110 - I Want To Tell Her

[shinshom]

Yip Yip Yiiiiiiip

 

[Kani1337]

I still feel uneasy when reading this chapter again. On one hand I think that it's amazing that Kyo has made such great strides towards being an independant person. He has relied on Yamada to drag him out of his "darkness" for a long time and she was his sole pillar for that which is a lot of pressure but she held on and they both came out on top. On the other hand... I can't help that I think her assertion of being selfish is wrong here. Relationsships are also making compromises and sacrifices for each other and sometimes taking one for the team is something that you just do because you know the other needs the win more right now. This trip was immensely important to Ichikawa and her audition was immensely important for Yamada so both needed a win badly. Yamada couldn't fully commit and was hoping that she could put her own needs aside for this but ultimately couldn't. Ichikawa took this moment to show her that it's fine to be a little selfish sometimes and that he's steadfast enough to stand on his own for a bit and that he's rooting for her. So ultimately he decided to take the "loose" if you wan't to call it that.
On paper all of this sounds nice but I feel that it was somewhat forced. He said it in the chapter before I think. Something along the lines "If she came to this trip just for me then I would hate that" and I just can't agree with that. If someone decides that they want to make the sacrifice for you, then it's not your place to deny them this. Her beeing unable to commit to this forced his hand and I feel like this could've been handled more organically.
I hope that this will be an opportunity for growth for both of them and not just for Ichikawa.

 

[cksn]

chalk it up to realism i guess, women do this constantly - forcing someone's hand like this, while acquiring the right conflicted emotional state so they don't get accused of selfishness. who knows whether it's conscious or subconscious? it's just unfortunate that ichikawa probably isn't going to be depicted mastering yamada like he needs to.

 

[Bananawithaknife]

I still feel uneasy when reading this chapter again. On one hand I think that it's amazing that Kyo has made such great strides towards being an independant person. He has relied on Yamada to drag him out of his "darkness" for a long time and she was his sole pillar for that which is a lot of pressure but she held on and they both came out on top. On the other hand... I can't help that I think her assertion of being selfish is wrong here. Relationsships are also making compromises and sacrifices for each other and sometimes taking one for the team is something that you just do because you know the other needs the win more right now. This trip was immensely important to Ichikawa and her audition was immensely important for Yamada so both needed a win badly. Yamada couldn't fully commit and was hoping that she could put her own needs aside for this but ultimately couldn't. Ichikawa took this moment to show her that it's fine to be a little selfish sometimes and that he's steadfast enough to stand on his own for a bit and that he's rooting for her. So ultimately he decided to take the "loose" if you wan't to call it that.
On paper all of this sounds nice but I feel that it was somewhat forced. He said it in the chapter before I think. Something along the lines "If she came to this trip just for me then I would hate that" and I just can't agree with that. If someone decides that they want to make the sacrifice for you, then it's not your place to deny them this. Her beeing unable to commit to this forced his hand and I feel like this could've been handled more organically.
I hope that this will be an opportunity for growth for both of them and not just for Ichikawa.

I personally think it's fine. If we're talking about Ichikawa confessing then I don't think it was forced. He didn't need to confess right then but he did anyway because he felt it was the right time.
He said it as well that he didn't need Yamada to make trip fun (would make it better for him? sure. But a lot of chapters were used to establish Ichikawas relationship with the other characters) and he also wouldn't be comfortable knowing that Yamada is forcing herself for the school trip, that would be a lose-lose situation

Also I disagree with the notion of

If someone decides that they want to make the sacrifice for you, then it's not your place to deny them this

If you're a part of it, you absolutely have say if you want someone's help or not, let alone sacrifice. The problem with these two is that they didn't talk about it, So they got into a situation where Yamada's really trying (failing in this case I guess) to sacrifice her audition where Ichikawa didn't need her sacrifice.

 

[Kani1337]

I personally think it's fine. If we're talking about Ichikawa confessing then I don't think it was forced. He didn't need to confess right then but he did anyway because he felt it was the right time.
He said it as well that he didn't need Yamada to make trip fun (would make it better for him? sure. But a lot of chapters were used to establish Ichikawas relationship with the other characters) and he also wouldn't be comfortable knowing that Yamada is forcing herself for the school trip, that would be a lose-lose situation

Also I disagree with the notion of

If you're a part of it, you absolutely have say if you want someone's help or not, let alone sacrifice. The problem with these two is that they didn't talk about it, So they got into a situation where Yamada's really trying (failing in this case I guess) to sacrifice her audition where Ichikawa didn't need her sacrifice.

Him confessing then and there isn't really what I had gripes with once he's put his mind to supporting Yamada it was the logical escalation of that decision because, as you said, the time was right. Open and clear communication could've easily desolved this situation that is why I meant it felt a little forced. Yamada was trying to sacrifice the audition and completely take her needs out of the equation and she couldn't fully commit to that. Ichikawa would not want her to sacrifice her audition for him because, once again as you said, she would be forcing herself. This is why communication is key, this situation resolved in a lose-lose and even if they found a compromise that also would've most likely meant that both or one of them would've had to make concessions. It's why it's important to seek consensus and find a solution to the problem that every related party is happy with.
I also see your point in "If you're a part of it, you absolutely have say if you want someone's help or not, let alone sacrifice." and uppon reflection I think I partially agree with that especially in this scene since it was an unneded sacrifice that took a heavy emotional toll on her which is the furthest from what he would've wanted I agree.
In general I think that in a partnership its important to be able to take a step back and consider each others feelings and foster a willingness to find ways towards solutions that make all parties happy. This arc has shown that this is something that both, I feel, still have some learning to do and even I at over 30 still have learning to do.

 

[Bananawithaknife]

In general I think that in a partnership its important to be able to take a step back and consider each others feelings and foster a willingness to find ways towards solutions that make all parties happy. This arc has shown that this is something that both, I feel, still have some learning to do and even I at over 30 still have learning to do.

Oh, Definitely. They are very much Adolescent in how they think and act but the fact is that they're around 14, so as long the story keep giving them development (with good pacing) in how they mature, I'm mostly fine with some communication issues here and there as long as it done well.
Story structure-wise, the progression of how these two are maturing is one of my favorites in any story let alone manga. With small but consistent ways in changing of how they act and think, some set-backs with their development that actually felt natural and needed, and just straight up big character wins because of their change, this story is probably the best at using the immaturity and maturing of teenagers as a story point I've seen in a long form media.

 

[LazyDust]

LFGGGGGG

 

[Kani1337]

Oh, Definitely. They are very much Adolescent in how they think and act but the fact is that they're around 14, so as long the story keep giving them development (with good pacing) in how they mature, I'm mostly fine with some communication issues here and there as long as it done well.
Story structure-wise, the progression of how these two are maturing is one of my favorites in any story let alone manga. With small but consistent ways in changing of how they act and think, some set-backs with their development that actually felt natural and needed, and just straight up big character wins because of their change, this story is probably the best at using the immaturity and maturing of teenagers as a story point I've seen in a long form media.

I could NOT have put that any better myself. Many things clicked for me on my recent reread. Yamadas confession especially stuck with me. The way she is expressing to Kyo that she finally realized all her shortcomings and that she's accepting herself as fallable. All of that introspection and reflection is something that he has taught her. She's always had issues with her self awareness and anticipating the effects of her actions on her surroundings. But since he's super introspective it was something she could and did learn from him. On the flipside she taught him that its fine to open up to people and be vulnerable. That being afraid of being hurt is normal, but this fear shouldn't be debilitating. It's so amazing because they both fit a mold that other needs.

 

[shinshom]

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I still feel uneasy when reading this chapter again. On one hand I think that it's amazing that Kyo has made such great strides towards being an independant person. He has relied on Yamada to drag him out of his "darkness" for a long time and she was his sole pillar for that which is a lot of pressure but she held on and they both came out on top. On the other hand... I can't help that I think her assertion of being selfish is wrong here. Relationsships are also making compromises and sacrifices for each other and sometimes taking one for the team is something that you just do because you know the other needs the win more right now. This trip was immensely important to Ichikawa and her audition was immensely important for Yamada so both needed a win badly. Yamada couldn't fully commit and was hoping that she could put her own needs aside for this but ultimately couldn't. Ichikawa took this moment to show her that it's fine to be a little selfish sometimes and that he's steadfast enough to stand on his own for a bit and that he's rooting for her. So ultimately he decided to take the "loose" if you wan't to call it that.
On paper all of this sounds nice but I feel that it was somewhat forced. He said it in the chapter before I think. Something along the lines "If she came to this trip just for me then I would hate that" and I just can't agree with that. If someone decides that they want to make the sacrifice for you, then it's not your place to deny them this. Her beeing unable to commit to this forced his hand and I feel like this could've been handled more organically.
I hope that this will be an opportunity for growth for both of them and not just for Ichikawa.

dont think taking Yamadas decision of making a sacrifice for him should be as easily accepted because he knew she was there doing everything for him to have fun because of that frustration of the forest school in thr past.

But the thing is Ichikawa wants to show that he is not the same boy with those same problems that she needs to worry and try to save. The scardy cat she had to work her way to get close is not there anymore I think its important to show to Yamada this and that.

Sure sacrifices for the other persons hapiness sometimes is a thing that just happen, but it is important to know that voth are working together and not one just caring another abd thats why I think this confession was quite amazing. I think a bit more pages would be better but weekly manga is this XD

 

[Kani1337]

I
dont think taking Yamadas decision of making a sacrifice for him should be as easily accepted because he knew she was there doing everything for him to have fun because of that frustration of the forest school in thr past.

But the thing is Ichikawa wants to show that he is not the same boy with those same problems that she needs to worry and try to save. The scardy cat she had to work her way to get close is not there anymore I think its important to show to Yamada this and that.

Sure sacrifices for the other persons hapiness sometimes is a thing that just happen, but it is important to know that voth are working together and not one just caring another abd thats why I think this confession was quite amazing. I think a bit more pages would be better but weekly manga is this XD

I've had a bit of back and forth with bananawithaknife about this that might shed some light on what I mean specifically. My take on it changes by the day but it boils down to a communication issue. Neither of them communicated the importance of the events around them that the others aren't in the know of. Therefore they were unable to find a consensus that would make both happy. This lead Yamada to try to compromise on her own and try to commit to something that she couldn't, at this point, fully commit to and "forced" Kyo to step up and show her that he's more capable know and that he will manage. They are... still teens and being open about your wants and needs and what is acceptable to want and to need is something that will be learned in time. It just tipped me off that her being unable to commit to her decision forced his hand in that way it wasn't written in a way that I found satisfying it was a bit drama baity which is something that I haven't missed in this manga at all.

 

[Manga_boiiiii]

LETSFUCKINGGOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[MGColin]

That came outta nowhere but i am SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Erbakhan]

LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[EpicArmpit]

My boy did it!
LETS GOOO!

 

[JorelJ]

That SOB did it! My boy really did it!!
Kudos to Yurine for distracting Kankan.

 

[Jambaj0e]

PEAK CHAPTER! Our boy Kyo finally did it!! So happy for them, especially since Yamada has been in such turmoil, too. Way to really step up Ichi!

 

[noobplant]

Poggers

 

[Ced1106]

YAMADA USED YIP YIP! IT WAS REALLY EFFECTIVE!!! 💒💒💒

 

[Suyog26]

WE DINE LIKE MOTHER FUCKING KINGS LADS
WE EATING REEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL GOOD

So, like oedipus ?

 

[hydrophobic]

OMG GG ICHIKIWIR
YOU FUCKING DID IT
LETS FUCKING GO
THIS IS AMAZING