The Gender of Mona Lisa - Vol. 3 Ch. 15 - Chicken or Egg
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Interesting development. I personally didn't feel any attraction to the opposite gender till a while during puberty but I do know that plenty of people start feeling attraction much earlier.
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Clearly ritsu have more point in hinase now. But deep down i just wish hinase wont become male just because ritsu is closer nor become female because shiori is closer. I wish hinase will be able to realize the feeling about his self and change gender based on that.
Just my opinion ^^'
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Just my opinion ^^'
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I love the fanart in page 41 <3
Just personal thought but I think marriage isn't all about you and your partner. It's you, your partner, your family, and your partner's. It doesn't involve merely sexual desires but your future as well. A romantic relationship doesn't completely mean you'll be happy. It's a relationship you feel comfortable with.
So yeah, I'm sticking up with Ritsu. Shiori's family seems horrible as far as I see. A talented but super philosophical brother. Indeed I agree that changes are beautiful, and yeah, I used to be kinda like this older brother of his - acting all philosophical and watches as everyone changes while acting like you play the role of the bystander in this world. In the end, it's all just to sugarcoat your wounds.
A type who usually has more problems than they seem to have.
As for Shiori; he is your typical almost-perfect dream boyfriend who provides you with romantic sessions but he isn't old enough yet to voice his future goal (to be an artist) to his parents. A teenager who's blinded by a feeling he believes to be love when it's more of an obsession. Not a wholesome family to be in.
Anyways. If Ritsu ends up being not so good of a girl, then (s)he can still choose others. Simple.
That's just my opinion tho. But thanks if you're actually reading this til the end ^^
Just personal thought but I think marriage isn't all about you and your partner. It's you, your partner, your family, and your partner's. It doesn't involve merely sexual desires but your future as well. A romantic relationship doesn't completely mean you'll be happy. It's a relationship you feel comfortable with.
So yeah, I'm sticking up with Ritsu. Shiori's family seems horrible as far as I see. A talented but super philosophical brother. Indeed I agree that changes are beautiful, and yeah, I used to be kinda like this older brother of his - acting all philosophical and watches as everyone changes while acting like you play the role of the bystander in this world. In the end, it's all just to sugarcoat your wounds.
A type who usually has more problems than they seem to have.
As for Shiori; he is your typical almost-perfect dream boyfriend who provides you with romantic sessions but he isn't old enough yet to voice his future goal (to be an artist) to his parents. A teenager who's blinded by a feeling he believes to be love when it's more of an obsession. Not a wholesome family to be in.
Anyways. If Ritsu ends up being not so good of a girl, then (s)he can still choose others. Simple.
That's just my opinion tho. But thanks if you're actually reading this til the end ^^
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@32oiru What a weird thing to say, because Shiori's older brother isn't a douche, he deserves to lose? You also seem to have a complete headcanon regarding his feelings towards Hinase. Ritsu on the other hand is completely immature and her relationship with Hinase feels like two best friends with nothing romantic between them compared to Shiori.
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With the way this universe works, it seems like it'd be far easier for women to love other women and men to love other men without having to worry about the prejudice of others. But there hasn't been anything about that so far, so I dunno how the author would handle it. It's also odd that there are so little "genderless" people - realistically, there are a LOT of non-binary folks out there who would prefer that kind of body, rather than a male or female one.
Anyway. Ritsu ftw. I especially like how in this chapter she made sure to mind her words in an effort to support Hinase; she's a really great friend.
Anyway. Ritsu ftw. I especially like how in this chapter she made sure to mind her words in an effort to support Hinase; she's a really great friend.
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Why do i feel like i'm like Hinase, i feel exactly like him, but i don't have doubts about my gender and i don't have friends whose i can rely on, so thats the difference, but i still can't avoid crying while reading this, i've never been very good explaining my feelings, and what a mess is my head made of right now, i feel like i don't deserve being at the side of anyone, even though there's 1 or 2 persons who have ''opened'' their heart to me, or they're just apparenting how they want me to think of them, i want to show them love, but i just can't, i feel like they're pushing what they want into me, but i can't speak up and i feel like if i say something i'll make her or him hate me... Whenever i try to speak up i feel like i have a knot in my throat and i just can't let my words out, and then i start feeling nervous so i can't think anything else than ''Why am i so worthless? How will someone end up caring about me if i keep doing these things? I have to change.'' oh yeah, the typical ''I have to change.'' or ''You have to change.'', so easy to say but difficult to do...
I can't be in groups of 2 or more people, and i try to be as extrovert as possible in order to make them like me, but whenever i get home, i just crawl into my bed and start listening to my favourite music, and think about what i've been doing for the past 6 years, so i start crying, then when i go to the shower and brush my hair, i see that i lose a lot of hair everyday, i don't know what to do.
Sorry for making you read this, and thank you for reading it.
PD: I'm 18 years old, and i'm about to finish my studies, let's see if i'll change someday. (Sorry for my bad english though, it isn't my main tongue afterall.)
I can't be in groups of 2 or more people, and i try to be as extrovert as possible in order to make them like me, but whenever i get home, i just crawl into my bed and start listening to my favourite music, and think about what i've been doing for the past 6 years, so i start crying, then when i go to the shower and brush my hair, i see that i lose a lot of hair everyday, i don't know what to do.
Sorry for making you read this, and thank you for reading it.
PD: I'm 18 years old, and i'm about to finish my studies, let's see if i'll change someday. (Sorry for my bad english though, it isn't my main tongue afterall.)
@Darklight99 Thanks for replying to my mere opinion xD
Anyways. To respond to your comment, I have to first say - no, the brother is not the sole reason he deserves to lose. I am well aware of his feelings towards Hinase. However.
I just feel like he doesn't deserve Hinase. First, let's talk about the older brother he got his information that was supposed to be disclosed from. He answered his question. He spilled the information he shouldn't have and just covered with a "it won't change anything anyway." Bullshit.
The older brother should have known better that Shiori isn't mature enough. He might spill the information (WHICH HE UNSURPRISINGLY DID)
In the first place, the reason there is a patient's privacy is this. Because this information might be misused, leading the patients' lives to be greatly affected. On top of that, taking into account how he uses butterflies as metaphors, he should have known about the butterfly effect. No, not the one about timetravels. It's about how the future can change greatly even with a flap. That chaos that can happen from just a minor event. And no, he isn't drunk when he spilled all the information. He's fully sober.
Well, I talked about him a little too much, did I? Either way, we know now know he's an IRRESPONSIBLE, IMMATURE OLDER BROTHER, or should I say, a bastard.
Moving on to Shiori. A talented, popular, and handsome guy who's also a little of a pervert. Sure, the older brother played a major role in this, but it's not like Shiori is innocent. He asked his brother despite knowing about the patient's privacy. From what I've understood, it's likely that the older brother told him to reassure him because of the "20-year-old law". But so what? He could just tell him he shouldn't worry. No need to go to details. Or well, you can just not tell him about the 20-year-old law. Shiori's too obsessed with Hinase. It's understandable since he's his childhood friend, but it's ridiculous to go into a fight with your parents because of it. It proves how immature you are.
Well, in the first place, almost every single high schooler is immature. People often say they are mature enough, but no. I probably linked reality with this story way too much, though. Also, I was the one who decided to read this despite knowing it's about high schoolers.
To be honest, Shiori reminds me of Blue Period and I, too, wanted to root him but it's just that the way he acts is annoying.
Eventually, he had to tell her mother about it. About the reason he wanted to go to an art university. About him liking art. Everything.
Let's say he actually went with Hinase. What would he do next?
Take Hinase and run away? Stay with his brother? Then how would he get into university? Ask his brother's money, probably? Part-time jobs don't give a lot of money, it's inadequate.
I ever read this omegaverse story with a kinda similar plot. But then the MC has a good relationship with his mother, and both their parents agreed. It's a different case.
That's why I mentioned marriage being something beyond a romantic relationship. Not just sex. Not just love.
Also, I have to disagree with you saying that Ritsu is immature. While both indeed are, she is a little more mature. Just because Shiori acts calmer most of the time doesn't mean he's more mature. She is worried about Hinase and calmed him. Of course, Shiori could do something similar, but not the same. If it's Shiori, he might just tell MC he's fine and reassures him. He won't tell him, "I also feel the same!" or something of the kind. Because Shiori and Ritsu have different approaches to things.
I think that's all I'm gonna write about xD
But yeah. Future.
Anyways. To respond to your comment, I have to first say - no, the brother is not the sole reason he deserves to lose. I am well aware of his feelings towards Hinase. However.
I just feel like he doesn't deserve Hinase. First, let's talk about the older brother he got his information that was supposed to be disclosed from. He answered his question. He spilled the information he shouldn't have and just covered with a "it won't change anything anyway." Bullshit.
The older brother should have known better that Shiori isn't mature enough. He might spill the information (WHICH HE UNSURPRISINGLY DID)
In the first place, the reason there is a patient's privacy is this. Because this information might be misused, leading the patients' lives to be greatly affected. On top of that, taking into account how he uses butterflies as metaphors, he should have known about the butterfly effect. No, not the one about timetravels. It's about how the future can change greatly even with a flap. That chaos that can happen from just a minor event. And no, he isn't drunk when he spilled all the information. He's fully sober.
Well, I talked about him a little too much, did I? Either way, we know now know he's an IRRESPONSIBLE, IMMATURE OLDER BROTHER, or should I say, a bastard.
Moving on to Shiori. A talented, popular, and handsome guy who's also a little of a pervert. Sure, the older brother played a major role in this, but it's not like Shiori is innocent. He asked his brother despite knowing about the patient's privacy. From what I've understood, it's likely that the older brother told him to reassure him because of the "20-year-old law". But so what? He could just tell him he shouldn't worry. No need to go to details. Or well, you can just not tell him about the 20-year-old law. Shiori's too obsessed with Hinase. It's understandable since he's his childhood friend, but it's ridiculous to go into a fight with your parents because of it. It proves how immature you are.
Well, in the first place, almost every single high schooler is immature. People often say they are mature enough, but no. I probably linked reality with this story way too much, though. Also, I was the one who decided to read this despite knowing it's about high schoolers.
To be honest, Shiori reminds me of Blue Period and I, too, wanted to root him but it's just that the way he acts is annoying.
Eventually, he had to tell her mother about it. About the reason he wanted to go to an art university. About him liking art. Everything.
Let's say he actually went with Hinase. What would he do next?
Take Hinase and run away? Stay with his brother? Then how would he get into university? Ask his brother's money, probably? Part-time jobs don't give a lot of money, it's inadequate.
I ever read this omegaverse story with a kinda similar plot. But then the MC has a good relationship with his mother, and both their parents agreed. It's a different case.
That's why I mentioned marriage being something beyond a romantic relationship. Not just sex. Not just love.
Also, I have to disagree with you saying that Ritsu is immature. While both indeed are, she is a little more mature. Just because Shiori acts calmer most of the time doesn't mean he's more mature. She is worried about Hinase and calmed him. Of course, Shiori could do something similar, but not the same. If it's Shiori, he might just tell MC he's fine and reassures him. He won't tell him, "I also feel the same!" or something of the kind. Because Shiori and Ritsu have different approaches to things.
I think that's all I'm gonna write about xD
But yeah. Future.
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I understand what you're saying. Our stories are a lot different, but I still more or less get your feeling. I'm never good with words, and I'm never good at putting my feelings into words and actions. But the difference is that I don't have many friends I really feel close to. Even if there are those I often talk to, they are but friends. I never called anyone my best friend, because they always had another friend they're closer to. To call them my best friends while not knowing whether or not they call you the same is quite ironic every time I think about it.
As if you're trying to keep them to yourself. I never talked about everything that was in my mind to people aside from my parents. To me, spilling everything feels... insecure.
I'm an ambivert, but sometimes much more of an introvert. I don't know if what I'm saying is appropriate, nor do I want to make your life worse, but please, please don't change yourself just because others tell or pressure you to do so. It was a mistake I used to do, and I don't want anyone to repeat it.
I was foolish back then, saying everything I wanted to without thinking. As if everyone would immediately agree with my words and action. I often did and said things just because others did the same. When something went wrong and embarrassment started to haunt me. When I felt like I caught too much attention and did too many mistakes, I would wake up on the next day pretending like yesterday didn't happen. Like I forgot everything. Like someone I wasn't. I'd spend the whole day in my class, reading books, writing or drawing. It sucks. I didn't want everyone else to hate me because I knew I wouldn't stand the pressure.
I really wanted you to abandon your 2 friends, but I didn't want everyone else to hate you too. I knew how pressuring hate gazes are, they hurt much more. However, I do think you have to uhh... know more people. This sounds ridiculous, but trust me, when you have more people around you, it becomes much more comfortable. It's fine to only chat through platforms like Discord and Aminoapps. As long as you get to know more people.
I often feel worthless too, and probably others do sometimes. I think. Looking back at how others thrived better than I did. How I've become worse. I might sound hypocritical and it's not as if it's as easy as it sounds, but just do what you feel like doing. If you like music, then you can talk about music with others. If you do write, you can join author communities and talk about it. Talking with older people also helps. After all, most of them are more mature than the ones you find in schools. Of course, there are also immature adults but there are community mods.
Don't push yourself too hard. If you feel unenergized out or emotionally exhausted suddenly when hanging out with them, then tell them politely. The more you try to become someone you're not, the harder it gets. Hanging out online sometimes also doesn't work well. It was when I was playing with my in-game friends. There was one time when I just felt mentally exhausted. I felt uncomfortable. I felt like taking a break and doing something else, but it's hard when you just don't want to break your promise. Either way, just enjoy everything now.
Once you become an adult, you'll have duties and more burdens and it becomes impossible for you to return to high school. ^^
Anyways, good luck with your universities too ^^
Sure, we can talk sometimes but I might not be a good person to talk to xD
I understand what you're saying. Our stories are a lot different, but I still more or less get your feeling. I'm never good with words, and I'm never good at putting my feelings into words and actions. But the difference is that I don't have many friends I really feel close to. Even if there are those I often talk to, they are but friends. I never called anyone my best friend, because they always had another friend they're closer to. To call them my best friends while not knowing whether or not they call you the same is quite ironic every time I think about it.
As if you're trying to keep them to yourself. I never talked about everything that was in my mind to people aside from my parents. To me, spilling everything feels... insecure.
I'm an ambivert, but sometimes much more of an introvert. I don't know if what I'm saying is appropriate, nor do I want to make your life worse, but please, please don't change yourself just because others tell or pressure you to do so. It was a mistake I used to do, and I don't want anyone to repeat it.
I was foolish back then, saying everything I wanted to without thinking. As if everyone would immediately agree with my words and action. I often did and said things just because others did the same. When something went wrong and embarrassment started to haunt me. When I felt like I caught too much attention and did too many mistakes, I would wake up on the next day pretending like yesterday didn't happen. Like I forgot everything. Like someone I wasn't. I'd spend the whole day in my class, reading books, writing or drawing. It sucks. I didn't want everyone else to hate me because I knew I wouldn't stand the pressure.
I really wanted you to abandon your 2 friends, but I didn't want everyone else to hate you too. I knew how pressuring hate gazes are, they hurt much more. However, I do think you have to uhh... know more people. This sounds ridiculous, but trust me, when you have more people around you, it becomes much more comfortable. It's fine to only chat through platforms like Discord and Aminoapps. As long as you get to know more people.
I often feel worthless too, and probably others do sometimes. I think. Looking back at how others thrived better than I did. How I've become worse. I might sound hypocritical and it's not as if it's as easy as it sounds, but just do what you feel like doing. If you like music, then you can talk about music with others. If you do write, you can join author communities and talk about it. Talking with older people also helps. After all, most of them are more mature than the ones you find in schools. Of course, there are also immature adults but there are community mods.
Don't push yourself too hard. If you feel unenergized out or emotionally exhausted suddenly when hanging out with them, then tell them politely. The more you try to become someone you're not, the harder it gets. Hanging out online sometimes also doesn't work well. It was when I was playing with my in-game friends. There was one time when I just felt mentally exhausted. I felt uncomfortable. I felt like taking a break and doing something else, but it's hard when you just don't want to break your promise. Either way, just enjoy everything now.
Once you become an adult, you'll have duties and more burdens and it becomes impossible for you to return to high school. ^^
Anyways, good luck with your universities too ^^
Sure, we can talk sometimes but I might not be a good person to talk to xD
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@32oiru Sorry, but I completely disagree. Once again most of your post was about how much of a bastard the older brother is, no one disagrees, I'm a medical student myself. But again, it's irrelevant to Hinase and Shiori's possible love, so I'm gonna ignore all of that.
Shiori is just worried about Hinase, remember that he's the only one there who is actually trying to save their life. Shiori doesn't mind if Hinase becomes a man and gets together with Ritsu as long as they survive, he just wants Hinase to not die. This is why I called him more mature, Ritsu is barely even aware of what she even wants, even at the start Shiori pushed her to understand her own feelings.
Their future is once again irrelevant here, you're looking too far into the future, that doesn't matter right now. Even if it did, Shiori and Hinase would be together, his brother is also only interested in Hinase to study the effects of not choosing a gender for too late, if Hinase actually becomes a girl, the Brother would lose all interest. And no one is against Shiori dating Hinase, why would his future even be affected by it?
Shiori is just worried about Hinase, remember that he's the only one there who is actually trying to save their life. Shiori doesn't mind if Hinase becomes a man and gets together with Ritsu as long as they survive, he just wants Hinase to not die. This is why I called him more mature, Ritsu is barely even aware of what she even wants, even at the start Shiori pushed her to understand her own feelings.
Their future is once again irrelevant here, you're looking too far into the future, that doesn't matter right now. Even if it did, Shiori and Hinase would be together, his brother is also only interested in Hinase to study the effects of not choosing a gender for too late, if Hinase actually becomes a girl, the Brother would lose all interest. And no one is against Shiori dating Hinase, why would his future even be affected by it?
@Darklight99
While I do agree with some of your points with Shiori, there's the fact that Shiori, just so Hinase won't end up dead, wished so Hinase would be a girl. You were pointing out how mature Shiori is because he prioritizes Hinase over himself and that Ritsu is immature. But no, again. I disagree.
"Shiori doesn't mind if Hinase becomes a man and gets together with Ritsu as long as they survive, he just wants Hinase to not die."
While the latter is indeed mentioned several times in the manga, there are lots more moments when Shiori actually tried to have Ritsu as a female, and you can see that even from the very first chapter. He still strikes even after knowing that Hinase's got male hormones within him now. If Shiori doesn't really mind Hinase being a male? Doesn't that just eventually make him a hypocrite?
I'm just worried that everything will end up being grim right after they get together, and with the fact that being a woman is hella tough. Not to mention Ritsu who becomes distant a while back after all the things Shiori did.
Alright, then. Let's do what you said. Let's ignore some of my previous points and not look too far to what'll happen in the future. But I still have some disagreement with what you said. Ritsu does show up as an immature character earlier in the manga, but not after all that happened now. She stormed to Hinase's house just to check on him. That with her STILL NOT KNOWING about the 20-year-old law, the complete opposite of Shiori who began to be extra worried about Hinase BECAUSE HE KNOWS. If Shiori told everything to Ritsu, she wouldn't act the same, I say. It's like a dependent variable.
Also, no one is against Ritsu dating Hinase, so why did this argument heat up?
xD
Anyways. Thanks for the replies tho
It's fun to write these types of comments and the fact you're a medical student is cool tho
Good luck with your studies and don't forget to look after your health
I'm sorry if I offend you in any way and yeah, I do respect medical students
While I do agree with some of your points with Shiori, there's the fact that Shiori, just so Hinase won't end up dead, wished so Hinase would be a girl. You were pointing out how mature Shiori is because he prioritizes Hinase over himself and that Ritsu is immature. But no, again. I disagree.
"Shiori doesn't mind if Hinase becomes a man and gets together with Ritsu as long as they survive, he just wants Hinase to not die."
While the latter is indeed mentioned several times in the manga, there are lots more moments when Shiori actually tried to have Ritsu as a female, and you can see that even from the very first chapter. He still strikes even after knowing that Hinase's got male hormones within him now. If Shiori doesn't really mind Hinase being a male? Doesn't that just eventually make him a hypocrite?
I'm just worried that everything will end up being grim right after they get together, and with the fact that being a woman is hella tough. Not to mention Ritsu who becomes distant a while back after all the things Shiori did.
Alright, then. Let's do what you said. Let's ignore some of my previous points and not look too far to what'll happen in the future. But I still have some disagreement with what you said. Ritsu does show up as an immature character earlier in the manga, but not after all that happened now. She stormed to Hinase's house just to check on him. That with her STILL NOT KNOWING about the 20-year-old law, the complete opposite of Shiori who began to be extra worried about Hinase BECAUSE HE KNOWS. If Shiori told everything to Ritsu, she wouldn't act the same, I say. It's like a dependent variable.
Also, no one is against Ritsu dating Hinase, so why did this argument heat up?
xD
Anyways. Thanks for the replies tho
It's fun to write these types of comments and the fact you're a medical student is cool tho
Good luck with your studies and don't forget to look after your health
I'm sorry if I offend you in any way and yeah, I do respect medical students
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