The Girl Without Relatives - Vol. 1 Ch. 88 - I Want To Give "That" To The Girl Without Relatives

[StealthAria]

that mostly sidestep my point to continue arguing the same points as before. Analyzing what is or how it works in reality is pointless. The characters thought it was a big enough problem to think the FBI will go after him. That's enough to convey that it's a problem. We don't need to know the exact number.

I'm not sidestepping anything, you're the one sidestepping everything. I'm looking at all the arguments that are being presented and giving counterpoints, you're just ignoring all the counterpoints because they're inconvenient for your position of him being a degenerate lolicon.

Everyone is acting like he's some 40 y.o. just learning that the girl he's dating is jailbait, when you know absolutely NOTHING about the guy. How old is he? You don't know, but you're assuming that because he's surprised the mature-looking 14 y.o. is only 14, he somehow must be significantly older than her. Those laws vary quite a bit country to country, and even state to state or province to province; in Japan where the series is set he could be just 16 and be at risk of facing charges for relations with a minor even though the age gap is just 2 years. Or he might simply be shook because of how his mother spoke when revealing Yuu's age when they're actually the same age.
The "FBI! Open up!" text doesn't necessarily even mean anything either because the line doesn't actually mean anything to the Japanese other than being a funny(?) western meme that seems to come up whenever a character's age is revealed to be less than 18, it doesn't mean anything to them beyond just that because the western culture it comes from uses it as if it has no meaning beyond just that.

 

[Meridis]

I'm not sidestepping anything, you're the one sidestepping everything. I'm looking at all the arguments that are being presented and giving counterpoints, you're just ignoring all the counterpoints because they're inconvenient for your position of him being a degenerate lolicon.

Everyone is acting like he's some 40 y.o. just learning that the girl he's dating is jailbait, when you know absolutely NOTHING about the guy. How old is he? You don't know, but you're assuming that because he's surprised the mature-looking 14 y.o. is only 14, he somehow must be significantly older than her. Those laws vary quite a bit country to country, and even state to state or province to province; in Japan where the series is set he could be just 16 and be at risk of facing charges for relations with a minor even though the age gap is just 2 years. Or he might simply be shook because of how his mother spoke when revealing Yuu's age when they're actually the same age.
The "FBI! Open up!" text doesn't necessarily even mean anything either because the line doesn't actually mean anything to the Japanese other than being a funny(?) western meme that seems to come up whenever a character's age is revealed to be less than 18, it doesn't mean anything to them beyond just that because the western culture it comes from uses it as if it has no meaning beyond just that.

Here's what we are presented with. The characters find out her age and have a reaction. We, as the reader, only have that reaction to know if it is a good or bad thing. Again, it's like power levels, the characters know what rules they are operating under. Your argument about the FBI comment not meaning anything because the author doesn't get their own comments is also absurd.

I actually don't care about it since it isn't real. I'm explaining how this works as a literary technique and how you're expected to interpret this kind of scene. The author had the characters have a reaction to something, readers commented having similar reactions to the characters. Others argue against that reaction simply because it relates to the age of consent. There is no info regarding the matter other than the character's reaction. Instead of getting lost arguing about the specifics of the age of consent among the readers, take in what is being conveyed in story.

 

[WholesomeMangaLover]

😭😭😭 blue archive players are going after her

 

[StealthAria]

Here's what we are presented with. The characters find out her age and have a reaction. We, as the reader, only have that reaction to know if it is a good or bad thing. Again, it's like power levels, the characters know what rules they are operating under. Your argument about the FBI comment not meaning anything because the author doesn't get their own comments is also absurd.

I actually don't care about it since it isn't real. I'm explaining how this works as a literary technique and how you're expected to interpret this kind of scene. The author had the characters have a reaction to something, readers commented having similar reactions to the characters. Others argue against that reaction simply because it relates to the age of consent. There is no info regarding the matter other than the character's reaction. Instead of getting lost arguing about the specifics of the age of consent among the readers, take in what is being conveyed in story.

The lack of information means that the only reasonable reaction for the readers to have is "why?" or "what?" That's my position on this. Everyone else's position however seems to just be that Kou is a lolicon, which is what I'm arguing against.
We on the same page, or are you still sidestepping logic in favor of "haha, dude's a lolicon" assumptions?

 

[Meridis]

The lack of information means that the only reasonable reaction for the readers to have is "why?" or "what?" That's my position on this. Everyone else's position however seems to just be that Kou is a lolicon, which is what I'm arguing against.
We on the same page, or are you still sidestepping logic in favor of "haha, dude's a lolicon" assumptions?

My point is that, regardless of whatever laws are in whatever location, the author set it up so that he has reason to believe it violates those laws, real or fictional. Meaning this conversation about what the actual laws are is irrelevant and odd to bring up. The author skipped to a specific conclusion of the argument rather than giving you the information, such as his age, and letting you decide or argue it.

Dudes not even a lolicon nor is he being made out as one since she doesn't look like it and all of us were probably under the impression that she was older as well. That's not what's being conveyed here or what people were thinking since lolicons are about looks, not actual age or legality which is both what was conveyed and what is being argued about. To have this argument itself, you have to ignore what's being conveyed through his reaction and start speculating. However, it's a story and things are arranged and shown with intent. So there was no need to speculate and argue against what's shown.

The problem is that this conversation started. The logic of your argument isn't the issue, the issue is that the argument came for something that the story already concluded, requiring speculation about why the conclusion, in its own world with its own rules, would be wrong. Yeah, it's probably based on or aligned with Japan's laws but the point the author made was that he should be worried about it legally, whatever legal is.

This isn't a case were everyone would be "why? or what?". This is an applied version of 'tell, don't show' (yes, there are cases where it's intentional or used for the story and not a mistake) Again, it's similar to powerlevels in battle shounen. Concepts like feeling energy as relative to combat prowess are either difficult to convey to the reader or they just don't want to. So, a character reacts to it and you know if there's a meaningful difference from what they say about it. Similarly, in cosmic horror, most of the horrific things are meant to be unknown or incomprehensible and the only way to convey it is by showing how it affects characters you can comprehend when they react to it. You can understand what's not stated by how a character reacts to it. The people who were commenting on it, were just following along with the story and using the common reading comprehension techniques we use with manga.

In truth, he's probably going to end up with her regardless. Framing it this way gets the point across about an issue but lets them go down that path without catching too much shit since it was only hinted through the reaction and not a specific number given. That doesn't mean they aren't saying anything on the matter. I'm saying you did not follow along with the story and this was the aspect that you weren't keeping up with, what flew over your head if you're still arguing about the age of consent, though I wanted it to be conveyed in a nicer manner.

 

[StealthAria]

My point is that, regardless of whatever laws are in whatever location, the author set it up so that he has reason to believe it violates those laws, real or fictional. Meaning this conversation about what the actual laws are is irrelevant and odd to bring up. The author skipped to a specific conclusion of the argument rather than giving you the information, such as his age, and letting you decide or argue it.

Dudes not even a lolicon nor is he being made out as one since she doesn't look like it and all of us were probably under the impression that she was older as well. That's not what's being conveyed here or what people were thinking since lolicons are about looks, not actual age or legality which is both what was conveyed and what is being argued about. To have this argument itself, you have to ignore what's being conveyed through his reaction and start speculating. However, it's a story and things are arranged and shown with intent. So there was no need to speculate and argue against what's shown.

The problem is that this conversation started. The logic of your argument isn't the issue, the issue is that the argument came for something that the story already concluded, requiring speculation about why the conclusion, in its own world with its own rules, would be wrong. Yeah, it's probably based on or aligned with Japan's laws but the point the author made was that he should be worried about it legally, whatever legal is.

This isn't a case were everyone would be "why? or what?". This is an applied version of 'tell, don't show' (yes, there are cases where it's intentional or used for the story and not a mistake) Again, it's similar to powerlevels in battle shounen. Concepts like feeling energy as relative to combat prowess are either difficult to convey to the reader or they just don't want to. So, a character reacts to it and you know if there's a meaningful difference from what they say about it. Similarly, in cosmic horror, most of the horrific things are meant to be unknown or incomprehensible and the only way to convey it is by showing how it affects characters you can comprehend when they react to it. You can understand what's not stated by how a character reacts to it. The people who were commenting on it, were just following along with the story and using the common reading comprehension techniques we use with manga.

In truth, he's probably going to end up with her regardless. Framing it this way gets the point across about an issue but lets them go down that path without catching too much shit since it was only hinted through the reaction and not a specific number given. That doesn't mean they aren't saying anything on the matter. I'm saying you did not follow along with the story and this was the aspect that you weren't keeping up with, what flew over your head if you're still arguing about the age of consent, though I wanted it to be conveyed in a nicer manner.

Really? 'Cause that's not what people have been saying. Even the translator is jumping to conclusions.

Illegal stuff just never fails to find me.

Open up! FBI! This is a raid!

Try not to draw a minor in a relationship with an adult challenge.
Japan: IT Is... Imposible!

WHOOP! WHOOP! THATS THE SOUND OF DA POLICE! WHOOP! WHOOP!

THE LAW MAKES NO EXCEPTIONS🙅🏻‍♂️🙅🏻‍♂️🙅🏻‍♂️ BUCKLE UP AND DONT DROP THE SOAP BOY🗣️🗣️‼️‼️

Japanese FBI, Open up.

I-It's joever...

Time to call the cops

he's cooked boi!

Some of them might be joking, but without any indicators of joking or sarcasm, they could all just as well be serious.

And I'm using the term 'lolicon' because 1) the characters are fictional, 2) many platforms do not appreciate the p word, and 3) it is shorter to type than to call him a "client of Epstein," an "Epstein's soldier," or any other euphemism that I am aware of.
I should also point out that while loli is a body type, it's a whole category of body types that includes oppai loli, and appearance can range up into the mid-teens.


All we know right now is:

1. Yuu does not legally exist
2. Kou's mother wants Yuu to formally be a member of their family
3. Kou's mother counted to find Yuu's age, presumably from a date we did not get to see
4. Kou's mother made Yuu's age sound like a serious ordeal

What we do not know at this juncture is:

1. Kou's age
2. Whether Yuu is actually 14
3. How Kou's mom wants to bring Yuu into the family
4. Why Kou's mom sounded so serious about Yuu's age

Worth noting, is that that if Yuu's age was actually a potential problem, Kou's mom could just throw out whatever age Yuu actually is because Yuu does not legally exist and has no records showing what her age should be. If she's worried about having encouraged her son to enter a relationship with a minor, she can just fudge the numbers a bit and claim Yuu to be of legal age because she legally does not exist. For all we know, Kou's mom only ever planned to adopt Yuu and is only trying to get the two to be on good terms as close siblings (some parents can be a bit weird about that, wanting their kids to get along just short of being lovers) and is being so serious about Yuu's age because she needs Kou to not get it wrong so she can use some past event as cover to claim Yuu as her biological daughter with a normal adoption impossible without paperwork for Yuu.
On the flip side of that, 14 is the minimum marriageable age for girls with parental consent, so Yuu might be younger than 14 and Kou's mom is fudging the numbers to make marriage possible because it's the only way she can think of make her part of the family short of forging the family register and creating some complex backstory on why no one has seen her until now.

 

[New_Scout]

bro wrote a whole essay justifying his love of teenage girls😭😭 mannnnn get off the internet before you wind up on a most wanted list

 

[favine]

Bruh, this dude making his master thesis on why he needs to go touch grass.

Why you taking jokes so seriously? Chill chief, if it's just text on a forum, it can not hurt you.

LOL

 

[NOYBB]

14 is the minimum marriageable age for girls with parental consent

huh? Did you get your numbers right bro? Last time I checked it was 16 in Japan

or was it not society's standards you were talking about?💀

 

[StealthAria]

huh? Did you get your numbers right bro? Last time I checked it was 16 in Japan

or was it not society's standards you were talking about?💀

Japan doesn't have a single age across the board the way some other countries do. A girl can marry without parental permission at 16, but can be wed at 14 if the parents give permission (basically, the parents have to be the ones to submit the registration for this). The rules are the same for buys/men, but the ages are 2 years older (18 and 16, respectively) It's mostly just to allow for arranged marriages for the upper echelon, but it is used occasionally for regular marriages and (as may be the case here) exceptional circumstances adoptions. Other countries also have similar laws, though they're almost never mentioned outside unabridged lawbooks and even more seldom used.

 

[siotechua]

Really? 'Cause that's not what people have been saying. Even the translator is jumping to conclusions.










Some of them might be joking, but without any indicators of joking or sarcasm, they could all just as well be serious.

And I'm using the term 'lolicon' because 1) the characters are fictional, 2) many platforms do not appreciate the p word, and 3) it is shorter to type than to call him a "client of Epstein," an "Epstein's soldier," or any other euphemism that I am aware of.
I should also point out that while loli is a body type, it's a whole category of body types that includes oppai loli, and appearance can range up into the mid-teens.


All we know right now is:

1. Yuu does not legally exist
2. Kou's mother wants Yuu to formally be a member of their family
3. Kou's mother counted to find Yuu's age, presumably from a date we did not get to see
4. Kou's mother made Yuu's age sound like a serious ordeal

What we do not know at this juncture is:

1. Kou's age
2. Whether Yuu is actually 14
3. How Kou's mom wants to bring Yuu into the family
4. Why Kou's mom sounded so serious about Yuu's age

Worth noting, is that that if Yuu's age was actually a potential problem, Kou's mom could just throw out whatever age Yuu actually is because Yuu does not legally exist and has no records showing what her age should be. If she's worried about having encouraged her son to enter a relationship with a minor, she can just fudge the numbers a bit and claim Yuu to be of legal age because she legally does not exist. For all we know, Kou's mom only ever planned to adopt Yuu and is only trying to get the two to be on good terms as close siblings (some parents can be a bit weird about that, wanting their kids to get along just short of being lovers) and is being so serious about Yuu's age because she needs Kou to not get it wrong so she can use some past event as cover to claim Yuu as her biological daughter with a normal adoption impossible without paperwork for Yuu.
On the flip side of that, 14 is the minimum marriageable age for girls with parental consent, so Yuu might be younger than 14 and Kou's mom is fudging the numbers to make marriage possible because it's the only way she can think of make her part of the family short of forging the family register and creating some complex backstory on why no one has seen her until now.

dude every crap I say is a joke even the forum is full of clowns, that's why its a fuckin' circus

 

[selves127]

SHE'S 14???

 

[AlterraLaniakea]

Japanese really fantasize adults being with a minor aren't they

 

[Pokpong14]

Wait so like how old is he? Why boy reaction be like that?

 

[Rheeve]

Truly, it's chapters like these that separates the wheat from the chaff. It truly exposes the brain-rotted tourists that cannot even discern reality from fiction.

 

[Gojo_Sensei]

Well, I am out

 

[Sichiruka]

Well I'm don't really care about her age being 14, kousei just have to hold doing adult stuff to her and just being there for her like a friend and family, then after she reach age of 18 kou can legally married her and do the deeds.

It just the matter of time, there's a lot of people who married with huge age difference, for example my friends parents had 16 years age difference his mom is 36 while his father is 52 and my friends is their first ever son (their age is counted when I'm still in highschool so me and my friends is around 16 at that time), and not only that 1 of my friends that has the same situation my other friends back in elementary, his parents has 6 years age difference and his father is the younger one, it's not that my country condone the paedophilia they just don't give a fuck if the person in question (married couples) have permission from their parents and relatives and the couples is an adult.

You can love person older or younger than you but you have to hold "it" (Don't doing adult things and don't ever try to manipulate or grooming the mind of the younger one if you are the older one, please hold consciousness and conscience) until you can legally married so then your partner don't get jailed.

So making a fuss over age difference that not even big, is funny to me, especially when the story is just in fantasy.

But if the author decided to make them do "it" Before she reach adulthood then it can become a problem, I'm not support it but that the author right to make the story.

As a reader you can drop this if that don't match your conscience.

 

[Sichiruka]

Well for the one who whines about the age difference you can go out and touch some grass, so you don't get emotionally invested with this kind of story even though it is fiction, we as an adult can tell the difference.

 

[Sichiruka]

Ahh I also want to address the law that America have for age consent in relationship.

Here I'm giving you an example, a boy is 18 years old in his last year of high school date a girl 16 years old in high school, the two of them is in love and decided to make their way to marriage, after the boy graduated he is 19 years old and considered an adult but the girl is still 17.

Did the boy just break a law? Should they break out? And did you as an outsider have the rights to make the boy go to jail?

If you find it ridiculous then you know that law isn't absolute, that law can only apply if the older one grooming the younger one and the age difference is huge for example 20 years old grooming a 14 years old, but the law can't apply if their age is 18 and 24 because they are an "adult".


In my opinion it just the matter of consent between the partner and their family, of course you should have conscience as and adult to not look a younger opposite sex that not an adult as a sex partner but you can see them as a potential, so just hold it until they are over 18, It just the matter of time.

 

[GambierBay]

Wow look at that argument.
Btw any comments I made were 100% as a joke. I'm not emotionally invested in this story at all.