The Politics Megathread

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@2SpiritCherokeePrincess
Leave it be, some people here are just... weird.

 

[Tamerlane]

Imagine a president so corrupt that he actually sold pardons. https://www.democracynow.org/2021/1/20/john_kiriakou_trump_presidential_pardons

The source given is basically a game of telephone, where it says that an unnamed associate of a lawyer (Rudy Guilani) who is working with Trump. Not only that but the original source for the claim was a New York Times article that went as far as to say “no evidence has emerged that Mr. Trump was offered money in exchange for a pardon.” (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/17/us/politics/trump-pardons.html)

What it does mention is that it’s likely a lobbying fee, not a money laundering scheme, which is not abnormal. If what the Democracy Now article said was true, then it’s likely taken out of context because the $2 million might just be the total costs for all the lobbying and administrative work. I wish Trump pardoned Snowden and Assange as much as the next guy (though some reports indicate that the Republican senators used impeachment as leverage for him not to) but throwing a bunch of false allegations at Trump isn’t going to help much.

Also, not to appeal to Hypocrisy, but Biden flying his son on Airforce Two to make a $1.5 billion commitment with a CCP owned bank with 10% “for the big guy,” started a cancer charity where none of the money went to Cancer Research, and Hunter Biden’s actions in general, including being on an energy board in Ukraine despite having no qualifications.

If you’re going to frame Trump as scummy merely for unsubstantiated accusations when we have substantially more evidence for Biden’s corruption, then it’s very clear that you’re not being consistent with your concerns.

 

[wowfucktron]

@2spiritcherokeeprincess

Just because you're obsessed with blood quantum doesn't mean everyone is

Not to be rude or anything...but do you know what the concept of context is? As in the ability to listen/read and figure out the meaning behind what people are saying/writing while simultaneously restricting one's own biases to prevent knee jerk reactions (reactionaryism)? It's a rare skill, especially with the internet making all users technically autistic, but it's great to have.

not caring about ethnicity.

I'm getting mixed messages with the below quote.

Their offspring are members of the tribe whether you like it or not

So let me get this straight, you can now be adopted into an ethnicity?
If that's true then, @tamerlane rev up those N-word passes.

More serious note, just because I lived in the Emirates for two years does not make me Emirati or Arab.

Spoiler

it's a dump don't ever move there

whether you like it or not

Mods, help, I'm being told I'm racist! /s
Might I perhaps offer some kind and helpful advice? Calling people bigots or racists, or any other -ist, isn't helpful in conveying a message, mainly due to the fact that other people will always interpret it as coming off as a moral authoritarian who only wants to push potentially sympathetic people away.

 

[Tamerlane]

@wowfucktron

Unfortunately I am not allowed to give them out anymore after Michael Jackson died and Obama left office, which increased the qualifications on what is considered “black.”

On a side note, I can attest to the fact that the UAE is still a better place to live than Gary, Indiana just for the fact at least they have oil and buildings that don’t look like it’s from Fallout.

Also, because you’re part Jewish can you claim this is antisemitic to insinuate you’re rascist?

 

[wowfucktron]

@tamerlane

part Jewish

uh ackshually...I'm thoroughbred _{and I have the health issues that go along with being 100% European Jew.}

>uae
>better than gary
hahahahahahahahahno

 

[Teddy]

Who calls their city "Gary"

In my unfounded opinion, "Alexandria" is a much better name

Also obligatory;

*Points at the map* "HERE'S GARYYYYYY"

 

[Tamerlane]

@Teddy

Named after the chairman of a steel corporation who owned the town

It’s a complete shithole. The kind that only the rust belt can produce

 

[Tamerlane]

Reminder, in Biden's first week in office:

-He pumped and dumped the national guard and left them in some parking garage
-Froze Trump's HHS policy to lower the prices of insulin
-He directly destroyed 11,000 jobs with the Keystone Pipeline, impacting some 60,000 jobs that may be jeopardized because of it. IN THE MIDDLE OF RECESSION AND A PANDEMIC.
-Directly broke his promise that he would not ban fracking because he needed to win Pennsylvania, and when combined with the above, seems like Biden may be trying to remove US energy independence so he can nab all the oil in the Middle East.
-Speaking of the Middle East, he moved troops after Trump had gone through a policy of systematically trying to remove them gradually.
-Also destroyed women's sports purely for ideological reasons and not biological ones
-Promised to raise the minimum wage to $15, which will only raise costs and make more people unemployed, more businesses to go under, and cause prices to generally rise across the board
-Promised to raise taxes across the board when small businesses are already on the verge of dying from the Pandemic, more people are shrinking below the poverty line, and making those stimulus checks and raises utterly pointless
-Admitted that there is no way to stop the trajectory of the pandemic, meaning any criticism of Trump's policies about COVID is applicable to him


I still hold onto my belief Trump was the centrist candidate and Biden is a right-wing puppet that uses leftists to get elected and then goes on to systematically stab them in the back whilst appearing to say all the talking points.

 

[wowfucktron]

@tamerlane

Biden is a right-wing puppet that uses leftists

Trump was the centrist candidate is a left-wing propaganda machine

🤡 Democracy™🤡

 

[Tamerlane]

@wowfucktron

Nah, democracy presumes he was legitimately elected, which I'm confident he was not. I expect people are going to have serious buyer's remorse soon. I expect him to have about ~20% approval by March.

Because unlike Trump, we don't have to make up shit to criticize Biden about.

 

[wowfucktron]

@tamerlane
I also forgot to add that the US is gradually (increasingly so) heading in a direction where politics is just anti-other side. That's not healthy in regards to national stability as it just leaves the public in a constant sense of hatred, fear, confusion and growing loss of trust in government as it boils down to "I need rights, but they don't!"

It's why I think democracy is a garbage system when you only have two options, it still is with more but whatever. But unfortunately coalition is not possible at this point as both corporations and career politicians benefit from the oversimplicity/dysfunction of a two party system by making the public easily influenced.

~20% approval by March

Assuming approval ratings will actually be released.

 

[Halo]

I expect him to have about ~20% approval by March.

And if it's not, then the ratings are fake and paid for, right?

 

[NPC798751839]

God I can't wait for the US to balkanize. Imagine a country led by unhinged liberals. They would make North Korea look like a paradise. Not that trumptards are much better...

@wowfucktron
Once you understand that americans who are very involved in politics behave exactly like cultists, it all makes much more sense. Also, identity politics is ingrained in their minds, especially among leftists.

 

[wowfucktron]

@npc798751839
Football/basketball/baseball just aren't as entertaining as politics when you believe you're actually helping your "team."

 

[Serraneko]

WTF why does this thread even exist i just wanna read manga for the glory of the motherland !!!!

 

[Tamerlane]

And if it's not, then the ratings are fake and paid for, right?

It depends on who you source, but I'm confident any studies that come out of CNN or similar institutions are probably wrong just going off of their track record. You tend to have to use a metanalysis and other aggregates, but even those can be inaccurate.

I'd guess he'd have similar approval to bush towards the end of his term, though 20% is a shot in the dark based roughly on that, because Biden is just Bush 2.0

 

[wowfucktron]

@serraneko

 

[Halo]

@Tamerlane Then which source you'd consider accurate?

 

[Serraneko]

@wowfucktron
its the most talked about forum so sorry that I added that

 

[Tamerlane]

@Halo

It's not any one source, but depending on various factors about each individual article or point, and how well that information stands up to scrutiny. Hence why I mentioned poll aggregates and meta-analyses so you can't just cherry pick one study, but look at overall trends, though I definitely don't take MSM sources or large corporations seriously anymore