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They are, the problem is that some armymen have turn to organized crime for one reason or another.
 
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Look folks, there over 100 other countries that are not America. You can save your "America First" sales pitch, I'm not interested.

Then why bitch about US president doing his job as a US president should be?
 
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Something, something white man’s burden.
It was racist then and it’s racist now.

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If the US can’t provide basic services for our own citizens then why should the US waste our tax money on other countries who can’t even do the bare minimum without someone else’s credit card?

College funding/scholarships? Let’s give Pakistan $2 billion for a gender studies program that totally won’t end up funding terrorist attacks... (Biden/Trump, 2021)

Healthcare? Let me fund another country’s healthcare system and then bomb it a year later. (Obama, Syria 2013/2014)

Mental Health Services? Let’s have states use their already stretched thin budgets for that, meanwhile I’ll go bail out Greece, again. (Obama, EU 2015)

Veterans services? Let me ship more of our men and women off to the Middle East to get blown up by IEDs. (Biden day 1, US 2021)

Domestic social issues? Shut up, let me go play moral authority overseas by stripping other countries of aid and access to the global economy. (Trump, Cuba 2017)

Drug epidemic? Let me bail out large companies that aren’t banking institutions. (Bush/Obama, US 2001-2012)

Job opportunities? What’s that, Wall Street? You want tax credits so you can import labor from overseas and screw Americans out of job opportunities? Sure call it H1B and we’ll also give you tax credits for discrimination in hiring aka affirmative action/diversity quotas.(Clinton/Bush/Obama/Trump/Biden, 1993-2021+)

This shit is getting old and I wish Americans could actually put themselves ahead of other countries for once by voting for someone who might do just that and isn’t another corporate snake...
 
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"America first" probably is a good policy just because I think we enough domestic issues that we need to take care of rather than having to deal with a lot of external wars that don't go anywhere and only perpetuate themselves. I'm not advocating for isolationism, I'm advocating that we don't ruin ourselves trying to be world police and to take care of our own mess locally before we begin trying to clean everyone else's.

Plus given China's rising power, and how we ought to be world hegemon and not the fascist state which is LITERALLY ENACTING GENOCIDE AND TRYING TO EXPAND ITS IMPERIAL POWER ACROSS THE SOUTH ASIAN SEA, as well as suppressing any form of human rights that dare conflict with their economic conquest, it's better to make America independent and to ween itself off of their teat and provide for our own goods and services. This doesn't mean we can't have trade deals with Britain, the EU or other allies like Japan or Canada, but we need to cut the corruption out and make sure China doesn't get too big for its britches. It's better to improve our economy and make it so we're making ourselves not dependent on anyone but ourselves, which Biden seems to already be trying to ruin as much as possible.

Instead of these empty global gestures where we seem to be selling off our underclass for a bunch of bourgeois elites and monopolies, who about we instead try to improve the lives of the working class and the average American?

So yeah, we need to be a little bit selfish and have a spine to put ourselves first, because otherwise we'd just be benefiting this international elite and those at the very top, because otherwise, those that would fill that power vacuum are much, much worse than America has been in any point in her history.

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My question is why does it matter that there are more countries that aren't America? We remain in our country because we want to, and if you don't want to be in America, you're free to leave as is your right. It doesn't matter if there are other countries that aren't America, because if we aren't doing well, we can't help those other countries to the best of our ability through things like producing goods and services, or spreading our values like equal opportunity under the law, tolerance towards different beliefs and ideas, and the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If we can't ensure our own citizenry these values that have been enshrined in our constitution, then how the hell can we ensure others have these rights as well?

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Not only that, but the government has an obligation to her own people first before any other people, for it is by their consent that they are legitimate. We have a social contract that we section off power to various branches and agencies of government to prevent tyranny, but that means that the government must serve the interests and needs of its people foremost and not the interests of its own power or of foreign powers. If the government fails to do this, the people have not only a right, but a duty to renegotiate the social contract, by preferably peace, but by force if they must.

If the government does not care about best servicing its own people, but by either lining its pockets, maintaining its own dominance or power, or ensuring its own security above those of the people they are sworn to protect, then it is the duty for the people to fight against them, for they are enemies of the nation, regardless of how they view themselves.
 
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What about the rest of what I said about consent of the governed and the obligation of the government to take care of her own people?
 
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Sorry, skimmed it. Not particularly different than what you have said before and the post before that and the post before that and the...
 
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Never let it be said I am not consistent nor principled.


Literally most of my philosophy is just the liberal values of the Enlightenment that the US was founded on. So I try to follow those guidelines and ideas as closely as possible, because I believe them to cultivate better principles and ideas
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Because I prefer stronger international ties, paper is cheaper than bullets. 1% of what timur said, no isolationism.

You just said that you didn't care about the US as there are hundreds of other countries. Fair enough. Then forget it, and stop bitching about what the US wants then. If they want to be alone, why do you care? If they want to contribute a lot, why do you care? This just shows how hypocrite you are from those two comments contradicting each other.
 
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My question is why does it matter that there are more countries that aren't America? We remain in our country because we want to, and if you don't want to be in America, you're free to leave as is your right. It doesn't matter if there are other countries that aren't America, because if we aren't doing well, we can't help those other countries to the best of our ability through things like producing goods and services, or spreading our values like equal opportunity under the law, tolerance towards different beliefs and ideas, and the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If we can't ensure our own citizenry these values that have been enshrined in our constitution, then how the hell can we ensure others have these rights as well?

I agree with that absolutely. Think you might have tagged the wrong person there.

@wowfucktron
Something, something white man’s burden.
It was racist then and it’s racist now.

Everyone was racist back then. Blacks enslave blacks. Japanese were racist against other Asians. Aryans were accused as one as well. One Jewish leader or prime minister was recorded to have declared they're superior over any other races. Europeans colonize most other people around the world relatively successfully due to technological advantages. Everyone was racist if we were to think of it that way. As of now, if you think of it logically and have your own opinion rather than parroting what the MSM and other giant techs want you to, you will realize that European White (caucasian) is actually the victim of racism.

In the US, there's black history month, there's scholarship special for minority, there's graduation event for blacks and hispanics, there's better chance of you being admitted to a corporation as an employee despite having lower skills due to your skin being black or brown. Yes, this is racism by definition: an unfair treatment or advantages given to a particular race solely for its race.
 
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You just said that you didn't care about the US as there are hundreds of other countries.
No sir, I only oppose "America First" policies, not that I didn't care about the U.S, please do not jump to conclusions. It's effectively no different from saying "fuck everyone else" which would have had a profound impact on geopolitics and whatever else lies beyond for everyone involved.

Or you can go full on hard core Sakoku laws because fuck it, lets just burn everything.
 
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No sir, I only oppose "America First" policies

Why? It's not like Americans are demanding the world to apply America First policy. Each country's president or prime minister can and SHOULD prioritize their own territory. That's their duty. They're paid for and voted for to guide their own nation to fruition, not other nations.
 
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You should put the needs of your own country above the needs of others just for the fact that you can’t help other countries unless you’re in a good state to do so.

The good thing is that trade, international agreements and peace generally are mutual beneficial so long as they’re not displacing or moving populations of people en masse, infringing on people’s rights or removing opportunities away from the working class in favor of taking them overseas.

It’s not “fuck everyone else, no compromise whatsoever,” as it is operating in a rational self interest, which we can do as the most powerful nation in the world, which should be maintained because we’re a global force for liberal values and human rights. (Or at least we were.) There’s plenty of issues to concern ourselves with about the US, but it’s much better than China or Russia In comparison, so we need to make sure they don’t gain more influence and outgrow us.

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Are you confusing domestic policy with foreign policy?

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we’re a global force for liberal values and human rights.
Never was, it was just convenient to slap the Warsaw pact if shit hits the fan; we just needed a banner to fight under.

Just saying, Russia and China will gladly pick up what we left off.
 
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Are you confusing domestic policy with foreign policy?

You tell me. I'm pretty confident I know the difference between the two. I am also pretty confident that many one nation's foreign policy has impacts on its own citizens. Especially one that involves charity and donation. Those are all taxpayers money. Not to be misinterpreted as "no charity at all" policy. I might not even be talking to you in the first place, but you seemed to against US having America First as its policy during Trump administration. As if it's so sinful to prioritize one's nation over another.
 
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