The Politics Megathread

[wowfucktron]

@2spiritcherokeeprincess

Guy looks pretty white(european) to me, quite possibly Northern Spanish.

>pulling out the One Drop Rule™ for this stuff
>a citation is still needed


He pulled an Elizabeth Warren before it was cool.

 

[bigtiddyoneesan]

@wowfucktron
You absolute bigot. Next I'll bet you'll try and claim that Albert Einstein actually wasn't part of the Saukondese tribe.

 

[wowfucktron]

@bigtiddyoneesan
#canceled
He was part of the Lygmah Tribe.

 

[Tamerlane]

If we're all descended from Africa, does that mean we all get an "N-word" pass? @wowfucktron @bigtiddyoneesan

On a more serious note, pretty much none of my grandparents aside from my Great Grandmother's family from New York and possibly my grandfather, who was probably Polish. Everyone else immigrated from France, Norway, Poland, etc. Does that mean I have to say I'm like 1/16th Polish, 1/8th French, etc?

No, that's fucking dumb. Because America is unique in that it doesn't have any component of linage or ancestry, no great trail of ancestors that tie people to some "homeland" or ethnocentrism, but instead we are bound by the idea that all of our former heritage is not meant to restrain who we are, but that we can use the aspects of their cultural and the lessons they impart on us to become better men and women today then we could be. This country has mixed the cultures of Europe, Asia, and Africa in a feat that before its founding would have seemed impossible, and allowed them to unite past their cultural differences toward a nation that is based on its ideals, and not based on its lineage or some merit that lies within your DNA. If you want to prove your worth, you must do it through your deeds and through many paths to success and achievement.

That's probably why I take such umbrage with her focus on race so much, and framing everything as a racial issue. Hell, if you want to do that, should we hold her accountable for the slaves that the Cherokees had? My values say "no," because what someone's ancestors did does not detract nor add to who someone is, but I don't know if her world view agrees with that notion.

 

[wowfucktron]

@tamerlane

My values say "no," because what someone's ancestors did does not detract nor add to who someone is

Careful now, don't want to get doxxed for using common sense.

 

[Tamerlane]

@wowfucktron

She blocked me for saying the phrase "American Indian" because she thought it was the same as using the N-word

 

[wowfucktron]

@tamerlane

Houston, my sides have entered orbit. Over.

 

[EOTFOFYL]

*AHEM* Native Americans.

 

[wowfucktron]

@eotfofyl

NOOOOOOO!!!! THIS IS NOT WHOLESOME 100 BIG KEANU CHUNGUS 69420!!!!!!!!!¡!!!!1!!!

Spoiler

that hurt to type

 

[bigtiddyoneesan]

From https://americanindian.si.edu/nk360/faq/did-you-know:

What is the correct terminology: American Indian, Indian, Native American, or Native?
All of these terms are acceptable. The consensus, however, is that whenever possible, Native people prefer to be called by their specific tribal name. In the United States, Native American has been widely used but is falling out of favor with some groups, and the terms American Indian or indigenous American are preferred by many Native people.

It was ultimately our own fault for not calling her 'Cherokee-ohime-sama' like she wished.

Apparently I'm mainly Polish, but I've never had any real connection with that sort of ancestry stuff. It really does go out the window when you get a bunch of people from different countries and put them under one flag.

 

[Tamerlane]

@EOTFOFYL

You joke but that's what that conversation was about, with me basically pointing out "American Indian," or "Amerindian" is typically more seen as the correct nomenclature as because "Native American" just refers to anyone born within the United States and is traditionally associated with the nativist party, which was very anti-American Indian. Also "Native American" is seen as too overly inclusive to be helpful because each tribe has such a different culture and set of traditions and philosophies that lumping them all together is very reductive, with groups like the Iroquois being extremely socially advanced, enough to have a working confederacy on the verge of being an empire in its own right.

@wowfucktron
She even tried to imply that the reason I'm called "Tamerlane" is because she thought I wanted people to think I'm South Asian, even though Tamerlane is not from South Asia and is Turkish, with his Empire being centered in Persia.

https://mangadex.org/thread/16434/26

 

[Richman]

@Tamerlane
(I know I'm not blocked but just in case lmao)
Is using

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"Native tribes"

or something similar offensive towards them?

Speaking of bloodlines, I wonder how much I have from the indigenous people, regardless of origin. Both of my grandfathers were/are very brownskinned, but that's it, almost all of my relatives have pale skin, including me.

 

[Tamerlane]

@Richman

Not that I'm aware of, but each tribe is different so I try not to generalize, and I try to name the specific population I'm referring towards.

I don't know the proper nomenclature for Spanish or Portuguese, so I'm curious what they're called in your neck of the woods, to use a Hoosier Idiom.

 

[Richman]

I don't know the proper nomenclature for Spanish or Portuguese, so I'm curious what they're called in your neck of the woods, to use a Hoosier Idiom.

@Tamerlane
Google searches are not helping, what do you mean?

"In your local area, i know now."

 

[EOTFOFYL]

@Richman

Afaik not really, they do however harbor some degree of dislike for the U.S government given our history with them.

@bigtiddyoneesan
To be fair, I wouldn't be sure if she put that in her name for the hell of it.

No way in hell would most people bother with memorizing the many tribes of NA unless they have to so no surprise that laziness wins out.

 

[Tamerlane]

@Richman

I'm curious what the word for the indigenous peoples of America are in Spanish/Portuguese if you know them. (I may have used too many colloquialisms in that for someone not from America, sorry)

 

[wowfucktron]

@tamerlane
Honest to god, if I had to guess at this point, she's around 16-19 years old and has untreated mental health issues.

@2spiritcherokeeprincess
Before you enter an oppression olympics match with anyone on this hellhole, let me inform you that I have a platinum medal, gold medal, silver medal, bronze medal, porcelain throne and tinfoil crown.

>Slavery/imperialism woes?
Slavic Ashkenazi Jewish American, get on your knees and kneel to my ancestor's history of suffering constant genocide and slavery.
For your reference, Slav is Russian for slave. Yep, my ethnic group was a slave people...
>LGBT nonsense?
Bisexual, i.e. the unwanted ones in that movement.
>Religious persecution?
95% of my family died in the Holocaust and was under constant threat of lynching when we fled for our lives. I don't feel safe in this country due to how so many nonwhites seem to love targeting us because we're "too successful."
>Political prejudice?
Conservative Democrat from California.
>Ableism?
Mild Aspergers and depression.

And yet none of this is part of my identity as a person because it should be found in my early life section on Wikipedia in the footnotes of my life's story.

 

[Richman]

@Tamerlane
Indigenous people, although ethnic groups would be more accurate (and respecful, since I've seen instances of people calling each other "Indígena" as a form of saying stupid). There's about 56 ethnic groups and most of them have their own language too.

 

[Tamerlane]

@wowfucktron

What's even funnier is both she and I are on the spectrum yet she thought I was against her because she was on the spectrum.

(Also, on the note of the Holocaust, there's the fact my Great Grandfather was in Buchenwald as a prisoner for being a part of the French resistance but that's another story)

@Richman

Thank you, I probably should have known given both "indigenous" and "indingena" are from Latin

 

[wowfucktron]

@tamerlane
If you want the current nomenclature being forced by activists and other overly educated individuals, they demand to be called BIPOC.
Black, Indigenous, People of Color.