Tsuihou Suru Gawa no Monogatari - Vol. 1 Ch. 6 - Declaration

[AMicrowave]

That whole speech about Athena trying to overcome her weakness and never giving up on her friends really pissed me off. The whole inception of this story was caused by the party kicking Est out and betraying him Athena’s oldest friend, because he was weak. And now they’re pissed because he’s angry they betrayed him. All I have to say is la-de-da cry my a fucking river.

the reason they kicked him out was cause they were worried he was going to die if he stayed with them, he literally could not keep up, and if he didn't get lucky then he should have died when he went dumbass and out on his own, and now look at him, drunk on power

 

[goruu]

How come Est is a dick here if not only he was got rid off as "useless" (even though, it's proven so far he was carrying the party the whole time), then technically NTR-ed in front of his eyes when happily trying to show he can also be not only as a support but in front line.

Dude is broken, emotionally and in heart. Fuck them all with a cactus I'd say, especially Athena.

Only thing redeemable for the story is Est ending up with "Raphtalia level" significant other and banishers never really achieving their goal, but judging how story was carpet bombed with negative feedback, it's going it's going to be poop, not like we don't have pretty clear situation on party relations now...

Est is looking to get revenge or humilate his party and revels in their downfall. Usually Banished MC just go their own way not giving a care in the world what their former party members do.

 

[Puck2]

Est is looking to get revenge or humilate his party and revels in their downfall. Usually Banished MC just go their own way not giving a care in the world what their former party members do.

Well, he had a crush on her since they were children and just when he was planning to confess he was kicked out by her. And then he finds her with the man who said that he would support him in a misleading situation. I think it's understandable that the betrayed person wants to prove that he is the better man and make the girl regret her choice (even if his means are not the best). Those adventurers who go their own way are usually not that emotionally attached e.g. they were already treated bad in the party or had no special relationship among the party members.

 

[77BLc9JwJGpLVARkamJx]

Kek, pretty entertaining to see the banished guy getting all smug and we see behind the scene with the ex-party. Pretty cringe (in a good way in reading the series) to see both sides getting heated, I hope we get Est the banished guy daily stuff as well, even if a bit but not in the ultra boring similar to other banished/kicked out series (getting harem, godlike pet/companion/equipment/skill, etc2)

 

[NotACatNinja]

Yeah, still having no sympathy for the banisher party lol. Especially Daru, his appearance turns the story into a NTR manga.

 

[SnowArashi]

Ah yes, because Athena's 'kind' and wreckless attitude ans guy's belief in her has gottem them so far ahead in life, haha...

 

[SpecialProjectY]

Est is looking to get revenge or humilate his party and revels in their downfall. Usually Banished MC just go their own way not giving a care in the world what their former party members do.

Yes, even in the one motherfucker/pokemon story it's like that, but this banished had an emotional connection with one of the party members and looks like he had his heart broken by that one through misunderstanding, but it seems there's a lot more going on...

It's very much reasonable for him to take pleasure in stealing their spotlight, especially since they thought he was weak and hindered their progress. You reap what you sow.

 

[StormSen]

This is concerning...

The truth is that there a tons of clever takes on "Kicked out the party" trope. This isn't one of them. A good part of the problem is the sheer freaking hypocrisy, probably largely driving by the sheer obliviousness of the author. E.g. in this chapter, "Moreover, she prioritizes her friends above all else." then "She is the kindest person more than anyone else." while somehow forgetting how cruel she was when she kicked her childhood friend out of the party ("You're just holding me back so it's impossible to reach my goal.")

The basic idea "tell the story from the banishers PoV" is fine and could have been good. But the author is just much of an idiot to pull it off.

(See various peoples comments on earlier chapters for more discussion/debate on this issue.)

Personally, I've left this one on my reading list for "watching how bad its going to get" reasons, but I'm moving it to dropped now.

PS: Even now, I'm still blown away the the hypocrisy and the blindness of the author. It's meme level hypocrisy. I just want to point him to her behavior in chapter one, then at these absurd "friendly" quotes here ask him, "Just.. HOW???" (At which point he would probably go "I don't get it, what's the problem?" and I would slap the shit out of him.)

 

[SpecialProjectY]

The truth is that there a tons of clever takes on "Kicked out the party" trope. This isn't one of them. A good part of the problem is the sheer freaking hypocrisy, probably largely driving by the sheer obliviousness of the author. E.g. in this chapter, "Moreover, she prioritizes her friends above all else." then "She is the kindest person more than anyone else." while somehow forgetting how cruel she was when she kicked her childhood friend out of the party ("You're just holding me back so it's impossible to reach my goal.")

The basic idea "tell the story from the banishers PoV" is fine and could have been good. But the author is just much of an idiot to pull it off.

(See various peoples comments on earlier chapters for more discussion/debate on this issue.)

Personally, I've left this one on my reading list for "watching how bad its going to get" reasons, but I'm moving it to dropped now.

PS: Even now, I'm still blown away the the hypocrisy and the blindness of the author. It's meme level hypocrisy. I just want to point him to her behavior in chapter one, then at these absurd "friendly" quotes here ask him, "Just.. HOW???" (At which point he would probably go "I don't get it, what's the problem?" and I would slap the shit out of him.)

100% agree.
It would all be better if she confessed how she felt and it would be clear, because Est felt something is fishy from the get go.

It's also weird for Daru not telling about The Misunderstanding to Athena, because now she feels betrayed and being ridiculed. Yes there's a chance she might want to get him back, but he is clearly hurt and he knows they're supposedly sharing some romantic connection.

On the other hand, if author planned to show how banishers are dicks, he's doing a pretty fine job because I hate each and every party member with passion. Hope they fuck up, Athena x Daru won't work out, the loli mage got killed off and dragon tsundere shows them a finger.

 

[Puck2]

100% agree.
It would all be better if she confessed how she felt and it would be better, because Est felt something is fishy from the get go.

It's also weird for Daru not telling about The Misunderstanding to Athena, because now she feels betrayed and being ridiculed. Yes there's a chance she might want to get him back, but he is clearly hurt and he knows they're supposedly sharing some romantic connection.

On the other hand, if author planned to show how banishers are dicks, he's doing a pretty fine job because I hate each and every party member with passion. Hope they fuck up, Athena x Daru won't work out, the loli mage got killed off and dragon tsundere shows them a finger.

At this point, best thing would have been for Est to die in the dungeon.
1. Athena may have realized how stupid she was and lived in misery (without Daru)
2. Est wouldn't have to experience this Athena-Daru-crap
3. The readers wouldn't have to experience this Athena-Daru-crap

At the beginning I have hoped that the characters would start talking with each other at some point and clear the misunderstandings. But so far (for some idiotic reason) Est is meant to be the bad guy even though he just acts like a human being.

Spoiler: Spoiler

After skipping through the webnovel it seems that whole Est-Athena-friendship-thing was just a lame excuse to get the story started. She kicked him out because he was so important to her but doesn't give a damn what happens to him afterwards. It's all about the party getting stronger because of the training of great Daru whose real identity is revealed at some point. She doesn't waste a thought about her precious childhood friend and completely forgets about him.

Best outcome of the story would be for Est to become the demon lord, she becomes strong, kills him and realizes that everything was her and Daru's fault (living a life in misery afterwards). But unfortunately I don't think that this will happen.
I think I'll drop the story because I really hate NTR.

 

[goruu]

Yes, even in the one motherfucker/pokemon story it's like that, but this banished had an emotional connection with one of the party members and looks like he had his heart broken by that one through misunderstanding, but it seems there's a lot more going on...

I think their reason is pretty pure. They think Est would die if he continued.

But if that is not enough, so is a group not allowed to kick anyone for anything? They tried their best by giving him severance pay. If that is not enough, What would be the correct way of making someone leave the group?

As for the NTR misunderstanding, that is still on Est, he didn't listen to "NTR" guy. Est is the asshole on this one.

It's very much reasonable for him to take pleasure in stealing their spotlight, especially since they thought he was weak and hindered their progress. You reap what you sow.

Frankly, I don't give a shit continuing on to convince you that Est is still a dick. I hope you think that at least, that the author is trying to make us sympathize with the banisher and not sympathize with the banished.

My point is, this isn't a true banisher pov story. No banished MC in a banished story actually look back to take pleasure. Whether or not you think banished MC deserves watching the party suffers doesn't matter because no banished MC cares. Most of them would most likely forgive the banisher if they had the attitude of the current Banisher party and not overly the top cartoony villainous attitude like most banishers do.

 

[Wyrm]

I like some revenge stories. Particularly when the MC is meticulous and takes revenge on each individual in a way that fits them uniquely.
This time, the "revenger" wants revenge, but he has no plan and he just looks petty.

I don't really mind the misunderstandings, they are common in this kind of stories. Though I always have a moment of frustration with stories that could be solved with everyone taking 5 minutes to talk things out, I let it pass.

But I can't stand cheap losers as important characters. The exiled one here might have become super-strong, but his personality is still cheap and weak. Worse than the vast collection of MCs with inferiority complex we can find anywhere.

At this point, best thing would have been for Est to die in the dungeon.

Best outcome of the story would be for Est to become the demon lord, she becomes strong, kills him and realizes that everything was her and Daru's fault.

Two interesting options.
The first one was out by design. The idea was to reverse the usual story trope of the MC being banished and becoming super-strong. So this part had to stay, but the viewpoint changed... Kind of. They did turn Est into a petty loser, which most MC aren't in the "normal" setting.
The second one is unlikely. It takes a good writer to implement proper character development like the one you proposed. More likely, the manga would go along the lines of "exiled becomes demon lord, party leader kills him and realizes that she did well dropping this loser." Because who cares about childhood friends and moral dilemmas?

 

[Puck2]

I like some revenge stories. Particularly when the MC is meticulous and takes revenge on each individual in a way that fits them uniquely.
This time, the "revenger" wants revenge, but he has no plan and he just looks petty.

I don't think Est seeks revenge in the kind where he actually wants to hurt his former party members (at least physically). For him it's more like the "my girlfriend dumped for another guy, kicked me out of our appartment and now this guy lives the life I wanted to live" - situation (even though she never was his girlfriend I think it was an open secret in the party that he was in love with her, thus it makes the betrayal even worse). I think he enjoys to see that these two don't get their happy ending. The way they kicked him out (from his point of view) it's only natural for him to hold a grudge (I know, the most mature decision would be to bid them farewell and find his own happiness but at that moment he's just broken and not his former self which is their fault).

It would go too far to call him a weak character because all characters in this manga are too superficial and simple. As I already mentioned, the story doesn't work with characters with depth thus each character is written to play a certain role even though it doesn't make any sense. The author just tries really hard to make him the bad guy even though he is the real victim (in one moment he lost everything important to him). In the webnovel the author sometimes gives the point of view of other characters to explain their prior reactions but fails in showing any understandable character development (especially Est). Everything seems totally artificial. It's not fair to allow Athena to behave immature because she's still young but Est should behave like an adult (or even a wise man)

I think many people may continue reading (same with the webnovel) because they subconsciously hope to see the MC fail miserably (I'm afraid we will be disappointed). Maybe that's the plan of the manga authors regarding scenes like page 12/13. Every chapter in this manga left a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[NotACatNinja]

I think their reason is pretty pure. They think Est would die if he continued.

But if that is not enough, so is a group not allowed to kick anyone for anything? They tried their best by giving him severance pay. If that is not enough, What would be the correct way of making someone leave the group?

As for the NTR misunderstanding, that is still on Est, he didn't listen to "NTR" guy. Est is the asshole on this one.



Frankly, I don't give a shit continuing on to convince you that Est is still a dick. I hope you think that at least, that the author is trying to make us sympathize with the banisher and not sympathize with the banished.

My point is, this isn't a true banisher pov story. No banished MC in a banished story actually look back to take pleasure. Whether or not you think banished MC deserves watching the party suffers doesn't matter because no banished MC cares. Most of them would most likely forgive the banisher if they had the attitude of the current Banisher party and not overly the top cartoony villainous attitude like most banishers do.

Then don't kick Est out. The whole party were weak and pathetic, with or without Est. They could have sat down and discussed how to be stronger, went on training together, asked veteran adventurers advice, and hire more people. Instead, they completely disregarded him, treated him with deception, cruelty and contempt, I mean, how fucking hard to tell a simple fucking truth to a "friend"? That's not professionalism at all.

 

[SpecialProjectY]

I think their reason is pretty pure. They think Est would die if he continued.

But if that is not enough, so is a group not allowed to kick anyone for anything? They tried their best by giving him severance pay. If that is not enough, What would be the correct way of making someone leave the group?

As for the NTR misunderstanding, that is still on Est, he didn't listen to "NTR" guy. Est is the asshole on this one.

Frankly, I don't give a shit continuing on to convince you that Est is still a dick. I hope you think that at least, that the author is trying to make us sympathize with the banisher and not sympathize with the banished.

My point is, this isn't a true banisher pov story. No banished MC in a banished story actually look back to take pleasure. Whether or not you think banished MC deserves watching the party suffers doesn't matter because no banished MC cares. Most of them would most likely forgive the banisher if they had the attitude of the current Banisher party and not overly the top cartoony villainous attitude like most banishers do.

But if that is not enough, so is a group not allowed to kick anyone for anything? They tried their best by giving him severance pay. If that is not enough, What would be the correct way of making someone leave the group?

Dunno, explain things clearly like proper adults and reassured about heart intentions?
Entire charade was so ambiguous, thought it's manga fault, but book is pretty much the same...

As for the NTR misunderstanding, that is still on Est, he didn't listen to "NTR" guy. Est is the asshole on this one.

He saw his friend reverse cowgirl riding a guy that was anxious to make him leave the party, I mean, c'mon...
Also, only Daru was speaking, Athena still doesn't know about it and by not objecting makes things rather obvious.

I hope you think that at least, that the author is trying to make us sympathize with the banisher and not sympathize with the banished.

None of the banishers makes the reader sympathetic, even Athena is a hypocrite and extremely shortsighted.

My point is, this isn't a true banisher pov story. No banished MC in a banished story actually look back to take pleasure. Whether or not you think banished MC deserves watching the party suffers doesn't matter because no banished MC cares. Most of them would most likely forgive the banisher if they had the attitude of the current Banisher party and not overly the top cartoony villainous attitude like most banishers do.

True on that, it's diffferent alright.
It's because they usually didn't really had any connections with the rest of the party, typically they also either were tired of being used or babysitting the others and glad they're as far away possible.

By introducing a "heartbeat" reason, it's actually reasonable for banished to take pleasure in banisher struggling, they didn't exactly part in friendly way and escalated the tension with "accidental NTR".

 

[Puck2]

As for the NTR misunderstanding, that is still on Est, he didn't listen to "NTR" guy. Est is the asshole on this one.

The problem most people (including me) have with the situation is that it's already preparing a romantic relationship between Daru and Athena. Before he thought of her as a cutie and later he doesn't really try to clear the misunderstanding by talking to Athena and Est, thus they can't reconcile. Daru actually seems to enjoy the situation because now he is the person Athena relies on. Instead of Est buffing her with magic he can now buffing her

Spoiler: Spoiler

with special training

. He has to know why Est acts harshly towards Athena and the party but simply states that he's power drunk. He tries to calm him with the typical line cheaters utter when they are caught in the act "It isn't what it looks like" but doesn't try to explain properly. Even though Athena and Daru aren't in a romantic relationship at this point there are so many hints that it's annoying.

 

[Ninoren]

the reason they kicked him out was cause they were worried he was going to die if he stayed with them, he literally could not keep up, and if he didn't get lucky then he should have died when he went dumbass and out on his own, and now look at him, drunk on power

Yes, drunk on power after he nearly DIED, because they pretty much told him fuck off, so he isn't exactly drunk on power, rather fueled by hatred, since they all pretty much turned against him in the worst way they could've done it.

 

[Ninoren]

Yes, even in the one motherfucker/pokemon story it's like that, but this banished had an emotional connection with one of the party members and looks like he had his heart broken by that one through misunderstanding, but it seems there's a lot more going on...

It's very much reasonable for him to take pleasure in stealing their spotlight, especially since they thought he was weak and hindered their progress. You reap what you sow.

The Thing is, you can't call it 'misunderstanding', if Daru is causing it intentionally at this point, which further solidified the entire NTR Point and Athena just suddenly fawning over him ain't helping it, so yeah.. The Story is kinda lacking purpose, since the banishers in my eyes are the bad ones here

 

[exxeld]

bro I want better for fucking Daru this man is dealing with the worst party ever.
Shit magician and shit dragon, as well the party leader who I don't even have faith will be able to bounce back.
Daru has to have been like a slave and was saved by Athena to be this devout I feel fucking bad for him.

 

[Meridis]

Then don't kick Est out. The whole party were weak and pathetic, with or without Est. They could have sat down and discussed how to be stronger, went on training together, asked veteran adventurers advice, and hire more people. Instead, they completely disregarded him, treated him with deception, cruelty and contempt, I mean, how fucking hard to tell a simple fucking truth to a "friend"? That's not professionalism at all.

It's just Athena that turned out weak. Both Daru and the mage already had experience without Est so they're fine. Also, Daru IS the veteran adventurer they asked for help and he taught them the basics so far. Problem is Est wasn't able to learn any magic or sword techniques even if he's taught. He hasn't been able to use internal magic or cast on himself since childhood so he can't fight or defend himself and he ended up in the hospital. It's like trying to teach a guy without arms how to swing a sword.

They weren't malicious about kicking him out, it was fine until they started arguing. For the misunderstanding about Daru and Athena, telling the truth is only as hard as he makes it. He didn't want to listen and ran away, argued about it when chased. That's not treating him with contempt.