Tsuki ga Michibiku Isekai Douchuu - Ch. 101 - Case Closed

[haoxin]

Besides the dialogue between Lime and the shaman back in chp 20something, did the manga show the Rembrandt pasts or is it information from the novel? I'm too lazy to check back and already spent more time that I wanted to find the connection with Lime.

Manga ch 27, Tomoe checks butler's memories

 

[hsun]

Is it not that detailed in anime? I just start watching.

 

[ciera]

Thanks for the scanlation

 

[fury130]

Is it not that detailed in anime? I just start watching.

anime cut so much it's show only like 20% of whole story focus on way not look too much on the side

 

[spaceludes]

I was honestly worried a bit about Komoe, thankfully she's capable and made quick work of them.

She's the boot camp instructor for the Forest ogres so there's no way these guys were going to give her trouble. Plus, she's 1/10 Tomoe's power.

 

[Ratentaisou]

Same I can never forget what they did to that poor woman. I wish Makoto knew was informed of it

My stomach just turns everytime he's involved longer than 3 panels. He's the type character that deserves a slow painful death, but now we've gotta just forget that cause the author has

I'm pretty sure the whole point of his backstory was to show that the people who are kind and helpful to you are not necessarily truly kind people themselves.

As for how Makoto would've known about it:

1. He has no reason to suspect Rembrandt of anything.
2. Rembrandt has no reason to reveal anything to Makoto, who is their savior.
3. Tomoe is the only one from Makoto's side to know about Rembrandt's backstory, which she only knows about thanks to her memory-viewing powers, and she herself has decided that it's better to not reveal it to her master because:
   1. She has no reason to when they are such good bussiness partners.
   2. She doesn't want to see him get hurt from knowing the truth.

Personally I actually liked that Rembradnt has a wicked past and that Makoto doesn't know. It goes against the usual isekai trope of the protagonist's helpers usually being just kind-hearted and sincere people who has never killed anyone.

 

[FantasyMaster]

Manga ch 27, Tomoe checks butler's memories

Obviously, I stop checking back at chapter 26 lol

 

[Tsukikira]

LN Source: I've been reading the official English LN. And I have a few impressions from them:
1. Hibiki is clearly more problematic from the start. In the manga and the anime she's presented pretty benevolently. She's only a little cocksure due to her past life of "no effort success". Vs. the LN there's a flavor of "arrogance of nobility" from the start. Also LN clearly states that she's been given a "Charisma" ability. Manga Hibiki has humility and guilt in failure; I don't think that LN Hibiki does (or at least not much).
2. If feels like the author is familiar with overly aggressive, borderline criminal business behavior from the start -- and takes it as the expected norm. Like she grew up in and worked in such an environment and views it as normal business.

With that in mind, it seems like the manga reduces the ruthlessness somewhat (e.g. with Hibiki) and the anime reduces it much more (by removing Rembrandt's backstory).

Rembrandt hasn't changed AFAICT -- rather he just doesn't need to be as criminally ruthless as he was in the past -- and instead is just "normally" business ruthless. (Well actually, he's still borderline criminally ruthless.)

So, I don't think that he's on any redemption arc, nor does he see any need to be on one. The only reason he treats Makoto well is that Makoto saved his beloved wife and daughters.

Aside from the author's personal views, there's a general difference in Japanese ethos. Western ethos is very much "responsibility/culpability for one's choices" and, very closely related to that, a strong sense of justice. Vs. Japanese seems to have much less personal responsibility, and a seeming cluelessness about what (western) justice is.

I wasn't implying that Hibiki was not a problematic character from the start. Heck, if I was to give an AITA rating to Tsukimichi, it's almost always Everyone's Shitty Here. The author is really good at writing about shades of grey, and even Makoto is not immune to it.

I disagree on Rembrandt - it's clear Rembrandt has changed. At heart, he's still a ruthless businessman, and his ruthless nature still rears it's head. But in general, he is playing things by the book by the fact that he realized he could have lost his family, and because Makoto saved them and happens to have strength to move mountains, he spends an ample amount of time making sure that Makoto has a good path forward, not only to repay him, but because he acknowledges that the world is shitty and he would prefer Makoto not need to get involved in that reality.

I don't think differences in Japanese ethos vs Western ethos really plays a role here, as much as that Japanese authors like to portray worlds that don't bend to the ethos of the real world. Oftentimes, that's done kind of poorly, but there are plenty of times it's done really well.

 

[Sakidornis]

Are these all new contents from LN? I don't remember these in WB at all.

 

[justtoread123]

She's the boot camp instructor for the Forest ogres so there's no way these guys were going to give her trouble. Plus, she's 1/10 Tomoe's power.

True, but I thought there was gonna be more than some random thugs.

Is it not that detailed in anime? I just start watching.

I don't know about 2nd season, tried starting it before but noticed the downgrade early on and preferred to just sticking to the manga. But I did watch the 1st season (and that's how I learned about this) and it was excellent, well, as a show w/o comparison to the manga, dunno how it compares since I continued from where it ended.

anime cut so much it's show only like 20% of whole story focus on way not look too much on the side

@fury130 even the first season cut stuff?

 

[mysteana]

Fun chapter:

• Komoe going HAM on the kidnappers. We've only seen this hinted indirectly before (the terror of the forest elves of Komoe's training regime).
• The two sisters (including the less bloodthirsty woodworker) going "torture the malefactors" mode.
• Even the clumsy alchemist goes torture mode.
• A lot of relationship info various side characters.
• Looks like Toa know exactly how brutal the two sisters are.
• Murder-doll Komoe being toted like a teddy bear by Toa.
• Makoto innocently makes a mistake in the right direction. (Dodged a death right there, Makoto!)
• And manages to not say "Wow! You really look different from before!"

What's a "Rizou Motif"? I assume that she's referring to the two faced dragon symbol.

A motif is a design element/symbol
Rizous are the two headed wolf/dog monster that to everyone else is a dangerous wastelands monster. But to Makoto (who Rider Kicked through the head of one of them on first contact) and the rest of the demiplane residents, it's a trash mob. Best secretary Emma berates the shitty fairies for being tormented by a Rizou

 

[AfroedMangareader]

Too much, too much...

I knew the plot felt rushed but now after seeing this the anime went at speeds of Mach 7 and above.

 

[XNFEdayo]

Same I can never forget what they did to that poor woman. I wish Makoto knew was informed of it

Tomoe purposely won't tell him, she knows all about it, because at that time Makoto needed a businessman of his stauture to back him. All the stuff Tomoe has kept from him, Makoto would absolutely flip on her if he knew about and yeah you can bet the old him would have instantly made Rembrandt his enemy if he knew. Current Makoto, I'm really not sure how he'll react.

I knew the plot felt rushed but now after seeing this the anime went at speeds of Mach 7 and above.

Remember, anime is usually has about 20% or more less details than manga and manga usually 20% or more less details than novels.

 

[kaminomikan]

went back 5 chapters to see if there was a mention who the bastard was, but there was none.

 

[KuroViLolitannia]

KOMOEEE UOOOGGHHHH 😭😭😭

 

[mysteana]

True, but I thought there was gonna be more than some random thugs.


I don't know about 2nd season, tried starting it before but noticed the downgrade early on and preferred to just sticking to the manga. But I did watch the 1st season (and that's how I learned about this) and it was excellent, well, as a show w/o comparison to the manga, dunno how it compares since I continued from where it ended.


@fury130 even the first season cut stuff?

First season cut some stuff, not as bad as the second season. The manga is IMHO the best format even comparing with the official LNs that are out so far, as it really uses the adage 'a picture is worth a thousand words' with all the background fluff the panels get.

 

[BusWindow]

Komoe best girl. Well, there are a lot of best girls in this story but she's best girl of this chapter at least. Rinon was a quick thinker to surreptitiously alert her friend at first sign of danger. Those thugs were so unimportant that none of them even got faces, I wonder who was the mastermind behind the whole thing and if they're even gonna be important.

 

[Kefrayba]

The anime really cut out a lot of stuff eh?

 

[amamiya426]

Current Makoto, I'm really not sure how he'll react.

Current manga Makoto might distance himself from Rembrandt.

But after some events later, he'll eventually ask Rembrandt to teach him of the 'evils' of the hyumanity, and how to properly navigate through them instead of just nuking over everything.

 

[Kk1412]

How dare she ask anything from Lime. All of it was from Rembrandt & co evildoings. Lime involved because the magician lies. And did she thinks afterall their family sins nobody will get revenges?

The author took Rembrandt's past too light. It's the magician's fault to involved Lime. But it was Rembrandt's fault they got attacked by the magician. Afterall, tge magician's lover whole family died because of Rembrandt & co.


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