Tsuki ga Michibiku Isekai Douchuu - Ch. 114 - Like a lightbulb

[deadvote]

sadly that milk just cultivated "by" , not cultivated "from"

 

[Amariithynar]

Thank u always for ur great work...
^^...

Hmm, Ilum meeting Makoto when he is out of drug seems only added in manga, or LN too?
?.?...
but this meeting moment just feels like the story try to "blame" Makoto for not noticing Ilum state/condition when Makoto actually meet Ilum face to face, I just dont like this added part n feels it a bit unnecessasy...
@.@...

While it is an added-manga-only bit, I actually like it. It's not out of malice, but out of irritation at having to clean up a mess that tragedy strikes. It's not blaming Makoto, but showing a moment of, "ahh, if only..."

 

[MagnaDrake]

So the manga changed it so Makoto is indirectly responsible for Illum ODing on the demon drugs and turning into a monster that eventually gets killed.

Well if anything it actually made him DIRECTLY responsible, even if it was not his intention.

 

[HDMI1]

Well if anything it actually made him DIRECTLY responsible, even if it was not his intention.

To me being directly responsible would be Makoto knowing about the hidden side-effect, knowing that Illum was taking them, and either not doing anything to stop him or instead encouraging him to use them more.

 

[nachtness]

i need spoiler of what will happen to ilumguy

 

[StormSen]

I actually find it quite refreshing :/
It feels like a proper isekai story that MC just kinda does whatever he wants and not in a rush to do certain things to fit the narrative/arc/plot. All while that is the plot regardless.

Tho at this rate, the story would never end lol.

I've been reading the official translated LNs. Vol 12 is just a mess -- multiple huge plot holes. IMO the author just randomly adds new arcs on with zero long term plan.

Example (from the past): Makoto originally heads to Rotsgard in order to study magic, since all he knows is some basic stuff. But then when he gets there, he accidentally takes a teacher test, then passes that and becomes a teacher. That makes no sense. And it's even worse since he's got Shiki, who is a massively skilled and knowledgeable mage and could teach a vast amount of material. (The manga glosses this over a bit by having Makoto sit in on a low level class and learn some basics -- but AFAIK that's a manga original that does not take place in the LN.)

Vol 12's plot logic errors are like that, but much much worse.

The manga substantially improves on the LN, but it can't fix what's fundamentally broken (without completely rewriting the story, which would be going too far.)

 

[isoycrazy]

i need spoiler of what will happen to ilumguy

Spoiler: His fate

The drugs and necklace make him a barbaric thug wanting to kill Kuzanoha. After he loses the tournament, Rona activates the necklace and turns him into a monster. Kuzanoha's students fight him and Abelia makes the killing blow. He becomes a pile of mush. An hour later and he starts regenerating. Mio comes upon him, talks a little, before deciding to kill him for inconvenincing Makoto.

 

[megaguil]

LET’S GO. Love to see the rare action scenes of him stomping. And leaving the assassin alive last time was just asking for it. Glad he also doesn’t do the naive thing of leaving dangerous individuals alive after those adventurers attacked his family.

Thanks for the translation! This one is always a ton of text so it is much appreciated.

 

[Regius]

I've been reading the official translated LNs. Vol 12 is just a mess -- multiple huge plot holes. IMO the author just randomly adds new arcs on with zero long term plan.

Example (from the past): Makoto originally heads to Rotsgard in order to study magic, since all he knows is some basic stuff. But then when he gets there, he accidentally takes a teacher test, then passes that and becomes a teacher. That makes no sense. And it's even worse since he's got Shiki, who is a massively skilled and knowledgeable mage and could teach a vast amount of material. (The manga glosses this over a bit by having Makoto sit in on a low level class and learn some basics -- but AFAIK that's a manga original that does not take place in the LN.)

Vol 12's plot logic errors are like that, but much much worse.

The manga substantially improves on the LN, but it can't fix what's fundamentally broken (without completely rewriting the story, which would be going too far.)

iirc WN Makoto and Shiki go to accomplish different goals in the school. Makoto to study magic and look into his parents because it has the largest known library and Shiki because he's still studying "Guants" or superior beings (forgot how it was spelt). Makoto does go there to also setup a branch location for his store too which is part of the reason he sticks around. Sure he could hold up in the Demi plane picking shiki's brain for all the magic knowledge in the world but makoto doesn't care about magic that much in the long run. He expressly does it as a something entertaining and increase his fighting flexibility otherwise everything he wants to kill he will do with a bow 100% as seen in this chapter.

I can agree some arcs feel random but realistically that's how Makoto's journey is. He doesn't have some grand goal to kill the demon king and save the world. He's not trying to correct the social injustices. He's just meandering through life finding what entertains him as requested by Tsukiyomi and occasionally assisting the hero's because the bug goddess can't be beaten yet.

In fact the only goal Makoto experessly put upon himself is

Spoiler: Spoiler

to put the goddess in her place which hibiki mistakes as him either killing her or toppling her. He corrects her and say he doesn't want to be god he just wants to correct her spoiled nature, although knowing Makoto he might actually just end up killing her out of annoyance especially knowing what he's done to other supernatural entitys that pissed him off. TBF though fuck that door.

 

[rphilly]

Imho this event show a fatal flaw of Makoto's character, he is inattentive to things he think don't matter. In this case we can se how he address Illumgand and then how he flat out erased his memories instead of trying to talk before. And now he need to understand what consequences this kind of behaviour can have, and need this becouse his advisors, by blind adoration, stunt his growth (in a strategical pov mainly) . He didn't need to be kind, but he needed to ask and listen, becouse that could have been an fundamental information. One he now lost.
This is a secant issue on the one before, the negligence that allowed the adventurer mess in the demiplane. While he is more careful and attentive then before for the thing he hold near, he still lack it for the world at large, and he need it now that the "game" is stepping up with multiple powers being involved (and the overpresent looming of "the bug")

I mean this isn't really a fatal flaw because it doesn't matter and none of this can meaningfully harm Makoto in anyway. That's kind of point of a fatal flaw, it has to be a critical weakness that leads to tragedy for the character. The consequence of this behavior is that people Makoto doesn't value die and he is affected in no way because they don't matter. Most of the people Makoto actually cares about are totally untouchable by the events happening around him. Also it's pretty clear that Makoto actually largely hates this world so I don't know why anyone would think he cares about it or would ever care about it.

Makoto's actual fatal flaw is his detachment which is increasing over time to the point where even some of his closest allies were briefly afraid of him/what he's becoming. This would eventually estrange him from his loved ones as he gradually becomes as cruel as the shitty goddess that runs this world.

 

[nathan67003]

...you tellin' me you work six days a week?

 

[Hauberk1800]

So the manga changed it so Makoto is indirectly responsible for Illum ODing on the demon drugs and turning into a monster that eventually gets killed.

Which is both exceedingly more interesting and plausible as he is this OP existence that kinda moves through the world without fully thinking things through all the time cause he kinda doesn't have to.

He is mildly annoyed at assassins cause he can just kill them, and does. Then etch-a-sketches this kids memories and then goes home and doesn't think about any of this again unless he is forced to.

Like if assassins came for me and then some kid picked a fight I would go home talking about that shit like it was like craziest shit that had ever happened to me.

Thanks for the tl

 

[StormSen]

iirc WN Makoto and Shiki go to accomplish different goals in the school. Makoto to study magic and look into his parents because it has the largest known library and Shiki because he's still studying "Guants" or superior beings (forgot how it was spelt). Makoto does go there to also setup a branch location for his store too which is part of the reason he sticks around. Sure he could hold up in the Demi plane picking shiki's brain for all the magic knowledge in the world but makoto doesn't care about magic that much in the long run. He expressly does it as a something entertaining and increase his fighting flexibility otherwise everything he wants to kill he will do with a bow 100% as seen in this chapter.

I spent way too much time trying to track this down in manga, LN and anime. ... It made my head hurt.

So, just the anime... In ep 1.11 he says that he's going there specifically to learn about various things about the world. And later (ep 2.4) he learns that he isn't registering to be a student, but rather as a teacher. So he did go there in order to attend the academy -- which require a huge time investment. Then that... just doesn't happen and he ends up teaching instead. So, going to school to learn just got dropped because the author randomly changed their mind after already starting on the arc.

The anime then gives an additional reason (other than studying) as: in order to open a store, he has to be a resident of the city, which means that he has to enter the academy. ... ... This is just absurd. It's the anime trying to explain away the change from "Going to school to learn some stuff" to "I'm going to become a teacher".

As for the actual, literary reason: Because it's Japan, and they're freaking obsessed with going to high school in fiction. So of course, the author throws in an "academy" arc.

I can agree some arcs feel random but realistically that's how Makoto's journey is. He doesn't have some grand goal to kill the demon king and save the world. He's not trying to correct the social injustices. He's just meandering through life finding what entertains him as requested by Tsukiyomi and occasionally assisting the hero's because the bug goddess can't be beaten yet.

The core of the story is "become an OP lord" -- but that plot point should greatly reduces potential randomness because Makoto is now the lord of the land and should be taking responsibility for that. ...

Now he could be written as a character that doesn't want that responsibility -- except he never says that. He does accept (to some degree) being lord of the demi-plane, so that should require that he take on responsibility, but he doesn't really do so. So he ends up in this shitty status of neither accepting nor rejecting responsibility.

But then in contrast he does accept responsibility for teaching and guiding his students in class -- something that he does spend a lot of time and attention on. ...

Now maybe the author could be writing him as a contradictory, troublesome personality... except the LN never raises that point either. It's just random.

In short, Tsukimichi is not a "wandering character" story; it's an "author throws random stuff in for no in-universe logical reason" story. It's a pastiche of fantasy tropes.

 

[ltdome]

Holy gorgon milkshake

 

[DrunkinDonut]

I spent way too much time trying to track this down in manga, LN and anime. ... It made my head hurt.

So, just the anime... In ep 1.11 he says that he's going there specifically to learn about various things about the world. And later (ep 2.4) he learns that he isn't registering to be a student, but rather as a teacher. So he did go there in order to attend the academy -- which require a huge time investment. Then that... just doesn't happen and he ends up teaching instead. So, going to school to learn just got dropped because the author randomly changed their mind after already starting on the arc.

The anime then gives an additional reason (other than studying) as: in order to open a store, he has to be a resident of the city, which means that he has to enter the academy. ... ... This is just absurd. It's the anime trying to explain away the change from "Going to school to learn some stuff" to "I'm going to become a teacher".

As for the actual, literary reason: Because it's Japan, and they're freaking obsessed with going to high school in fiction. So of course, the author throws in an "academy" arc.


The core of the story is "become an OP lord" -- but that plot point should greatly reduces potential randomness because Makoto is now the lord of the land and should be taking responsibility for that. ...

Now he could be written as a character that doesn't want that responsibility -- except he never says that. He does accept (to some degree) being lord of the demi-plane, so that should require that he take on responsibility, but he doesn't really do so. So he ends up in this shitty status of neither accepting nor rejecting responsibility.

But then in contrast he does accept responsibility for teaching and guiding his students in class -- something that he does spend a lot of time and attention on. ...

Now maybe the author could be writing him as a contradictory, troublesome personality... except the LN never raises that point either. It's just random.

In short, Tsukimichi is not a "wandering character" story; it's an "author throws random stuff in for no in-universe logical reason" story. It's a pastiche of fantasy tropes.

That's not an author tossing stuff at the wall or dropping things. That's Storytelling. Makoto /intended/ to go to School, that's not what ends up happening. Sometimes stuff happens. Luke Goes to Dagobah, to become a Jedi. He leaves because he got a Force Distress Signal. You get a ton of editing and condensing from the WN to LN phase, but everyone still acknowledges some stuff just tends to happen in stories/non-epics.

Let's be frank, Makoto was never really going to be able to be a student. He's stronger than all of them AND he's ugly enough to disgust a bunch of them. That's not a real School Arc. Being secretly stronger than everyone else is an all too common trope. Being the ugly kid in school, is never going to work for a School Arc. Plain, is possible, not Ugly. He only gets as far as he does, because he's interacting with Adults. He's not really going to be able to form a student friend group. The Hyuman supremacy, means he's never going to be able to find a school Demihuman group who would be able to look past his face.

If you're going to discuss the vagaries of having an "academy arc", then you have to acknowledge that it was basically telegraphed with the Rembrandt arc. This isn't NTR, so the Wife was not going to become an ongoing interaction. So you had 2 Teens, who were going to become recurring. They're roughly the same age, are able/willing to look past his looks to form a relationship. Makoto at his core is a high school kid, of course you're going to be using that as a lens to see the world.


And the core of the story is in the title: "Journey in an Alternate World Guided by the Moon", Not OP in the other World with my Smart Phone. He's not intending to become OP (That's just what always happens when you have adventures!). He's a lone teen adrift in another world, without family or friends, being forced to be responsible and do some things that he really doesn't want to do (Like any teen). Sometimes he finds his way, sometimes he's adrift. Along the way he finds friends and a family he can belong to. I'm not going to argue it's a concise literary masterpiece, that's just a story.

 

[R2D2TS]

Thanks for the chapter.

 

[Grikath]

I can't see why Makoto would be responsible for anything that happens to the little git.
Everything that happens to the git is self-inflicted, in a prime example of FAFO.

The little git is a cardboard walking trope as it is.. NPC [serial number here] with the standard overinflated ego, falling "victim" to the usual Easy Power trope.

 

[DrunkinDonut]

More people need to put their comments about what happens to Ilumgand behind spoiler tags, based on how many people are still guessing. The S2 Anime goes past this if you guys who don't know really want to know.

Spoiler: DARE to not take Drugs

Don't do demonic drugs, kids. Bad things happen when you're forcefully mutated into a chimeric being with barely a mind and even when you do regain part of it, you're still going to die.

I'm a bit ambivalent about the "blame" the manga implies that Makoto deserves for this event. The anime sort of glosses over it, but Ilumgand was always going to be a bit off in the head in regards to Luria. The reason he started taking drugs in the first place was his own insecurities about being too weak to help Hibiki(Chapter 71). He seriously starts abusing them when Abelia greatly outclassed him (Chapter 78). Even if he stopped taking them, there's no saying that this would help, nor does that mean he would refuse the necklace that was just sent over. I can easily see him thinking, the drugs are probably bad when abused, but surely this necklace will have an enchantment that can't cause any problems. Espeically considering the magic resistance enchantment has a novel effect.


But even his rational mind isn't faring all that well. He clear headedly jumps to the conclusion that a person so willing to kill shouldn't be allowed in this world. But who is Makoto killing? Assassins. Like you jumped from A to T. If there's someone that you should totally be forgiven for killing, it's people sent to Kill You.

 

[madzai]

In this case we can se how he address Illumgand and then how he flat out erased his memories instead of trying to talk before.

Why he should try to talk to a shithead like this? Illumgand is the one who can't uphold the ideals of hero he adore and act as an a-hole. Why Makoto should care even a little bit? Especially after manga show him being harasses by random dumbass students.

And now he need to understand what consequences this kind of behaviour can have

Dumbass dies. End of consequences.

He didn't need to be kind, but he needed to ask and listen

No, he don't. Or he'll spend all the day listening to morons. Makoto was clearly "set up" by author to make a point. It's just the point being stupid.

This is a secant issue on the one before, the negligence that allowed the adventurer mess in the demiplane

Oh, Makoto clearly learned his lesson in this one. Treat trash like trash. This is exactly that he did.

This is just absurd. It's the anime trying to explain away the change from "Going to school to learn some stuff" to "I'm going to become a teacher".

IDK why they need it. Original reason was that Shiki put him into it, because by that time he thought that anything less won't be enough for "his great master". That make sense, because i imagine it would be impossible to set up a store as a random student.

The consequence of this behavior is that people Makoto doesn't value die and he is affected in no way because they don't matter.

And Illumgand still ends up the same way without Makoto, because ends up taking drugs for the sake of become stronger for the hero. Because he's weak.

Makoto's actual fatal flaw is his detachment which is increasing over time to the point where even some of his closest allies were briefly afraid of him/what he's becoming.

Well, i kind of not really agree fully, but you do have a point. But aren't they directly responsible? Hiding crucial information from Makoto. Like Illumgand wasn't killed by Makoto students gang, he was killed by Mio. Tomoe pretend not to understand Luto explanation about traveling between worlds. They all hold information about Rembrandt "deeds" and about demon cults around the city. Mio hid information about meeting Hibiki, Tomoe hid information of how bad other hero is, that leads to Makoto beating the shit out of him, that lead to basically Illumgand v.2. They refuse to state their opinion a lot of time, saying Makoto must decided for himself (he's 15 y.o., btw), Mio backtracked on intimacy that she proposed herself. The only who actually helped are the Gods, who show Makoto what may happen if he don't chill a bit.

 

[Vhet33]

Just completely undid the kid's potential character development without even realizing it.