Well, yes. Part of what makes a joke funny is that it's an intentional, but clear look at something in a different manner than intended.
How did you get all of this out of a "Pot calling kettle black" pun? Your ability to write novels over the most inconsequential statements continues to amaze me, sir. Keep it going.
it's not from pot calling the kettle black, gratz on missing the point (again), it was literally an expansion of you "missing the point." Because after a certain point of reductionism (and madlibbing), it becomes "bad man bad! good man good!" and you lose all of the fucking value.
"clear look" and i'm telling you that it isn't a "clear look" when it's reductionist as all hell, that's not "clarity," that's "selectiveness."
it's not from pot calling the kettle black, gratz on missing the point (again), it was literally an expansion of you "missing the point." Because after a certain point of reductionism, it becomes "bad man bad! good man good!" and you lose all of the fucking value.
You're literally telling me that your entire goal is to try to and "deconstruct" a single sentence joke, because it made fun of something? Because, the joke made to be funny wasn't "accurate" enough for you?!
"Reductionist joke" Yeah ok, sure we can label it that. It sounds far better than what I called it. A Pun.
You're literally telling me that your entire goal is to try to and "deconstruct" a single sentence joke, because it made fun of something? Because, the joke made to be funny wasn't "accurate" enough for you?!
"pun" dude literally nobody gives a fuck about your pot and kettle joke, and your "poking fun" isn't a pun, so i have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
"wasn't accurate enough" you defended its accuracy with as much text, but sure, i'm the one being ridiculous lol. Regardless, yes, because not only does your "joke" only apply to literally one character in the novel (root, nobody else uses that logic) but it even has the relationship arguably backwards. It's not "MC therefore sociopathy = hot" but "sociopath (well, under hyuman society, a sociopath) therefore mc = hot" cuz root (the only character to which your reduction applies, aka, the basis of it)
hardly gives any fucks about the other two heroes and has only as much devotion to aznoval and his previous partner in PRG, so eventually we find out that root is a sociopath and his only operating thing is "stronk and not smug as all hell = hot"
"i'm wheezing" yeah, wheeze at yourself too whydontcha, lmfao.
"pun" dude literally nobody gives a fuck about your pot and kettle joke, and your "poking fun" isn't a pun, so i have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
Regardless, yes, because not only does your "joke" only apply to literally one character in the novel (root, nobody else uses that logic) but it even has the relationship arguably backwards.
It's not "MC therefore sociopathy = hot" but "sociopath (well, under hyuman society, a sociopath) therefore mc = hot" cuz root (the only character to which your reduction applies, aka, the basis of it)
hardly gives any fucks about the other two heroes and has only as much devotion to aznoval and his previous partner in PRG
this argument is retarded, sociopathy isn't even a real thing, psychologists made it up. i'll spare everyone the wall of text arguing the point though. be like me
this argument is retarded, sociopathy isn't even a real thing, psychologists made it up. i'll spare everyone the wall of text arguing the point though. be like me
"can't take a joke" says the guy who literally can't read a paragraph to its finish before responding, and who can't stop cherry picking to no end when someone says "makoto not actually a sociopath." (he's not, but hyumans are so bricked in the head that any description from their PoV lines up with the definition, because he is bigoted and they're so fucking used to privilege.)
"pun" that's literally not a pun, that's not even wordplay because you're not using ambiguity between words' different meanings (or words' neighbors in spelling or phonetics), you're literally just bending the content of the story. None of what you did even approached wordplay, you're on too high a layer. "The pot calling the kettle the N-word" is more of a pun than anything you've written, by leaps and bounds. What. (honestly, this is representative of most of your shit, you know half, and guess the other half)
"sexy MC because sociopath" According to Root, as written, currently, yes (lots of qualifications, because your generalization for the sake of haha funny is just that bad). It goes without saying (for people who have learned formal logic), but this is the converse of "sexy sociopath because MC," and the difference is notable cuz root
doesn't particularly hate rembrandt, notably not MC but about as sociopathic, and is actually kinda miffed when MC shifts from unstable "sociopath" to classic realpolitik cuz he can't fuck around as much... but on the other hand can't be fucked in any shape or form to contact the heroes or even let them be wrt makoto (dragon purge).
even then, it's closer to "fuckable mc cuz incredible juxtaposition," but if you have to bend sociopathy and "sexy" or "hot" into it one way or another, then sure, "sexy mc cuz sociopathy" (it's pretty clear from the last chapters that root doesn't actually have high demands in terms of screwing people, in all its meanings)
"better comebacks" your responses are just you sitting in the same corner misinterpreting shit and dismissing things as irrelevant, i don't see the need to put in more effort. Like, you're wheezing at me, what am i supposed to say, "i hope you choke"? If that's your thing, i mean, i won't judge, but i'm not here to dish out pointless threats.
"7 people" hundreds (thousands? idfk anymore) of people watch ben fucking shapeepee, but if that's your standards I guess that explains some things, lmfao. god knows how many people actually watch the "china will collapse in X days" industrial complex, but it sure ain't fewer than 100 lmfao. People turn off their brains, not less in forums, but more, unless the topic is super fucking dedicated. I don't blame them, but it's a real bold decision to use results in a forum thread and try to extrapolate. God knows Gen Z humor isn't exactly complex or thoughtful 99% of the time (AMOGUS, etc). Not to mention the immediate fucking rebuttal has 8, not including me.
like, your argument is basically "it's a joke so i can misrepresent it as much as i want" (cuz boy, most fandom-specific memes are waaay better than that remark), but as soon as people say that makoto isn't actually a sociopath (and no, root's description still isn't enough, though it looks pretty bad), thereby representing the text better than you, you fucking have to go "correct" them. I didn't want to initially bring this up because it's messy, but y'know, that's the only part of it you take seriously, you don't care you've basically strapped to the author a view and statement the author didn't fucking write, you don't care that you even got the order backward, or that you're reading incredibly far into a single encounter for that "skew" (for all you know root could literally be lying out of his ass, or telling a half-truth) and then turning around and accusing people of reading too far into your "joke."
edit idfk anymore: just saying, the person who has no fucking clue what a pun even is probably shouldn't be talking down to people pointing out their shitty phrasing as if the other party was a child...
"can't take a joke" says the guy who literally can't read a paragraph to its finish before responding, and who can't stop cherry picking to no end when someone says "makoto not actually a sociopath." (he's not, but hyumans are so bricked in the head that any description from their PoV lines up with the definition, because he is bigoted and they're so fucking used to privilege.)
"pun" that's literally not a pun, that's not even wordplay because you're not using ambiguity between words' different meanings (or words' neighbors in spelling or phonetics), you're literally just bending the content of the story. None of what you did even approached wordplay, you're on too high a layer. "The pot calling the kettle the N-word" is more of a pun than anything you've written, by leaps and bounds. What. (honestly, this is representative of most of your shit, you know half, and guess the other half)
"sexy MC because sociopath" According to Root, as written, currently, yes (lots of qualifications, because your generalization for the sake of haha funny is just that bad). It goes without saying (for people who have learned formal logic), but this is the converse of "sexy sociopath because MC," and the difference is notable cuz root
doesn't particularly hate rembrandt, notably not MC but about as sociopathic, and is actually kinda miffed when MC shifts from unstable "sociopath" to classic realpolitik cuz he can't fuck around as much... but on the other hand can't be fucked in any shape or form to contact the heroes or even let them be wrt makoto (dragon purge).
even then, it's closer to "fuckable mc cuz incredible juxtaposition," but if you have to bend sociopathy and "sexy" or "hot" into it one way or another, then sure, "sexy mc cuz sociopathy" (it's pretty clear from the last chapters that root doesn't actually have high demands in terms of screwing people, in all its meanings)
"better comebacks" your responses are just you sitting in the same corner misinterpreting shit and dismissing things as irrelevant, i don't see the need to put in more effort. Like, you're wheezing at me, what am i supposed to say, "i hope you choke"? If that's your thing, i mean, i won't judge, but i'm not here to dish out pointless threats.
"7 people" hundreds (thousands? idfk anymore) of people watch ben fucking shapeepee, but if that's your standards I guess that explains some things, lmfao. god knows how many people actually watch the "china will collapse in X days" industrial complex, but it sure ain't fewer than 100 lmfao. People turn off their brains, not less in forums, but more, unless the topic is super fucking dedicated. I don't blame them, but it's a real bold decision to use results in a forum thread and try to extrapolate. God knows Gen Z humor isn't exactly complex or thoughtful 99% of the time (AMOGUS, etc). Not to mention the immediate fucking rebuttal has 8, not including me.
like, your argument is basically "it's a joke so i can misrepresent it as much as i want" (cuz boy, most fandom-specific memes are waaay better than that remark), but as soon as people say that makoto isn't actually a sociopath (and no, root's description still isn't enough, though it looks pretty bad), thereby representing the text better than you, you fucking have to go "correct" them. I didn't want to initially bring this up because it's messy, but y'know, that's the only part of it you take seriously, you don't care you've basically strapped to the author a view and statement the author didn't fucking write, you don't care that you even got the order backward, or that you're reading incredibly far into a single encounter for that "skew" (for all you know root could literally be lying out of his ass, or telling a half-truth) and then turning around and accusing people of reading too far into your "joke."
edit idfk anymore: just saying, the person who has no fucking clue what a pun even is probably shouldn't be talking down to people pointing out their shitty phrasing as if the other party was a child...
this argument is retarded, sociopathy isn't even a real thing, psychologists made it up. i'll spare everyone the wall of text arguing the point though. be like me
you're not giving me much to comment on, given that I can't see youtube shit over here, lmfao. Neither are you giving any motivation, given that i've refined my counterpoints only for the fuckhead i'm discussing this with to run away and stuff their ears. rofl.
in any case, makoto's not a sociopath.
he only "rejects social norms" on two fronts: one, bigotry against hyumans, owing to hyuman arrogance and bigotry against literally everyone else (including makoto!) as well as incredible culture shock, and two, a lighter view on death than most people. Even then, adventurers generally have a similar view of death to him, "shit happens, people die."
for example, alpine later are horrified by hazal finally fucking dying, but they also admit it that someone dying was very likely given their tendency towards fuckups. Another example, he fits pretty well with lorel, which has gone the weeb route, and in fact he enjoys his stay everywhere where hyuman and bug attitudes are weak, so later, tsige/tsige-koran, demon realm, and lorel. A third example, him holding onto habits from japan leads to him getting irritated by tomoki and slightly taken advantage of by hibitchki, and them remarking that he still "smells too japanese for someone who's crossed over for a year."
Makoto is only "willing to use violence" insofar as it is first leveraged against him. Yes, strictly self-defense, especially at this point. His "willingness to kill" is simply the golden rule expressing itself - you're willing to threaten others with violence, then be prepared to eat shit yourself. People don't usually inscribe it so deeply, but given makoto's views and experience with life and death itself, this isn't exactly anything surprising. Though, his self-defense mentality has put him at a horrid disadvantage in every fight so far, including the fight with sofia and lancer, and
is precisely why rona and zara (i can't fucking remember, rotsgard merchant guild) can dance circles around him this arc. It takes this fucking arc for him to basically go "y'know what, i'll be a fucking PMC, maybe that'll finally get people to take me seriously and stop fucking around"... only for him to still feel like shit after very justifiably beating tomoki into a pulp, because he has "flung crude violence."
Makoto only appears to have a "thin group of friends" owing to his bigotry against hyumans. He hits it off fine with asora inhabitants, of which there are several hundred now, and
several hundred more later
he's not antisocial, and he's already begun developing friendships with less fucky hyumans like rembrandt (wow, holy shit, yes, actually sociopathic rembrandt is in many ways less fucky than the average hyuman, that's how fucking bigoted they are), the librarian, lime, etc, and he is
perfectly capable of acting as a teacher properly, not even able to keep an especially stern impression except during teaching lmfao
As for not having "empathy or remorse," believe what you fucking want, he tries not to step on people's toes at every fucking turn but the one time people step on his foot and he pushes back we say he "lacks empathy."
sure, it's largely a shell, but in reality it's largely a shell for most fucking people lmfao. just that they never run into a situation where their shell gets cracked, nor do they have the power to do much even if their shell is cracked, unlike makoto
i can't remember your other criteria off the top of my head, but like this, four (ish) criteria have been more or less shattered entirely.
So I'm gonna be straight with you for a moment, rare I know but...what exactly is the end goal here for you? Like I've had no end goal beyond just being a cheeky breeky, but you seem to be working towards something else.
I don't know what that is, but I do know that we don't agree on the meaning of my words, we don't agree it's as deep as you think it is, we don't agree where it's targeted and frankly we're never going to. What are you expecting to happen? Unless this is some exercise in stroking your ego and you're "trying to prove" something to some invisible audience that won't remember half of anything happening here a few minutes after they cross, you're only continuing this conversation for the sake of continuing it. So...what's the point here?
Like...you're on a manga piracy website calling people weebs, so I assume there had to be some level of self-awareness behind all of this. But now I'm not really so sure. To be frank, I've never had any intention of seriously conversing with you or anyone on this. I feel you're missing the point of the joke, you feel you're not, those are two lines that were never really going to cross each other.
I mean we can continue if you really need the ego boost, just wanna kill time or what have you. But...there's nothing really going on here. Maybe one day we'll have a legitimate conversation, but it won't be on this. This was a dead end from the beginning and honestly, I've had my fun. I got to use two meme videos in one conversation (even if you can't see them), I got to rephrase "pot calling kettle black" into a pun (you would be surprised how rare it is to fit that into a conversation of any sort) and I got to extend a manga's comment section like 90 pages. Not really much more I can get out of this without it being a problem, so whatever you're after I hope you find it soon.
he only "rejects social norms" on two fronts: one, bigotry against hyumans, owing to hyuman arrogance and bigotry against literally everyone else (including makoto!) as well as incredible culture shock, and two, a lighter view on death than most people. Even then, adventurers generally have a similar view of death to him, "shit happens, people die."
for example, alpine later are horrified by hazal finally fucking dying, but they also admit it that someone dying was very likely given their tendency towards fuckups. Another example, he fits pretty well with lorel, which has gone the weeb route, and in fact he enjoys his stay everywhere where hyuman and bug attitudes are weak, so later, tsige/tsige-koran, demon realm, and lorel. A third example, him holding onto habits from japan leads to him getting irritated by tomoki and slightly taken advantage of by hibitchki, and them remarking that he still "smells too japanese for someone who's crossed over for a year."
Makoto is only "willing to use violence" insofar as it is first leveraged against him. Yes, strictly self-defense, especially at this point. His "willingness to kill" is simply the golden rule expressing itself - you're willing to threaten others with violence, then be prepared to eat shit yourself. People don't usually inscribe it so deeply, but given makoto's views and experience with life and death itself, this isn't exactly anything surprising. Though, his self-defense mentality has put him at a horrid disadvantage in every fight so far, including the fight with sofia and lancer, and
is precisely why rona and zara (i can't fucking remember, rotsgard merchant guild) can dance circles around him this arc. It takes this fucking arc for him to basically go "y'know what, i'll be a fucking PMC, maybe that'll finally get people to take me seriously and stop fucking around"... only for him to still feel like shit after very justifiably beating tomoki into a pulp, because he has "flung crude violence."
Makoto only appears to have a "thin group of friends" owing to his bigotry against hyumans. He hits it off fine with asora inhabitants, of which there are several hundred now, and
several hundred more later
he's not antisocial, and he's already begun developing friendships with less fucky hyumans like rembrandt (wow, holy shit, yes, actually sociopathic rembrandt is in many ways less fucky than the average hyuman, that's how fucking bigoted they are), the librarian, lime, etc, and he is
perfectly capable of acting as a teacher properly, not even able to keep an especially stern impression except during teaching lmfao
As for not having "empathy or remorse," believe what you fucking want, he tries not to step on people's toes at every fucking turn but the one time people step on his foot and he pushes back we say he "lacks empathy."
sure, it's largely a shell, but in reality it's largely a shell for most fucking people lmfao. just that they never run into a situation where their shell gets cracked, nor do they have the power to do much even if their shell is cracked, unlike makoto
So I'm gonna be straight with you for a moment, rare I know but...what exactly is the end goal here for you? Like I've had no end goal beyond just being a cheeky breeky, but you seem to be working towards something else.
I don't know what that is, but I do know that we don't agree on the meaning of my words, we don't agree it's as deep as you think it is, we don't agree where it's targeted and frankly we're never going to. What are you expecting to happen? Unless this is some exercise in stroking your ego and you're "trying to prove" something to some invisible audience that won't remember half of anything happening here a few minutes after they cross, you're only continuing this conversation for the sake of continuing it. So...what's the point here?
Like...you're on a manga piracy website calling people weebs, so I assume there had to be some level of self-awareness behind all of this. But now I'm not really so sure. To be frank, I've never had any intention of seriously conversing with you or anyone on this. I feel you're missing the point of the joke, you feel you're not, those are two lines that were never really going to cross each other.
I mean we can continue if you really need the ego boost, just wanna kill time or what have you. But...there's nothing really going on here. Maybe one day we'll have a legitimate conversation, but it won't be on this. This was a dead end from the beginning and honestly, I've had my fun. I got to use two meme videos in one conversation (even if you can't see them), I got to rephrase "pot calling kettle black" into a pun (you would be surprised how rare it is to fit that into a conversation of any sort) and I got to extend a manga's comment section like 90 pages. Not really much more I can get out of this without it being a problem, so whatever you're after I hope you find it soon.
So he's a sociopath but it's ok because we like him, truly the authors greatest intent. Naruhodo.
I dunno, when I need to defend myself I don't normally kill people doing it. BUT then again I also am not a sociopath, so...here we are.
So what you're telling me is....He's a sociopath but magical?
You heard him, Makoto. You're a sociopath!
Makoto: YAAAAAY! Now I'm one step closer to the edge, and I'm about to break!
it's location restriction, not internet connectivity, but shows how much you know, lmfao
my goal is to have material i can point to and say "nah you were just being a dumbass" when inevitably the story develops in a different direction from your misreading and people inevitably whine like bitches.
your goal is literally just to be a troll, huh? gotcha.
then don't fucking respond, lmfao, what. Like, others criticize you, you could literally not respond, if they go parasocial that's their fucking loss. I've hit upon plenty of people who never had the intention of debating or lose the intent, they slap a few strikes on my shit and leave, and that's honestly better than you lmfao, guy says he's not salty, proceeds to sit in corner and yell "nanananana" and then accuse other person of salt. What.
says the guy defending his joke and refusing to qualify it even a little, LMFAO, going to every length to bend words in their favor. Like, you don't find it fun, then fucking leave and let me rant on my own, lmfao, literally your best option is giving me no material.
i'm saying the whole "joke" itself is misreading the entire text (as well as what "sociopath" even means) and pretending it found a connection that doesn't fucking exist, but sure, i'm simply "missing the point" and not "getting the point and finding it worthless." Like, the point of the joke is that you jump to conclusions and pick half only the words to listen to even in texts you read by choice? That's "missing the point, no?
TIL that culture shock from being abducted into a society forcefully is sociopathy, many human trafficking victims are a few steps away from sociopathy.
??? this one makes no sense, and is literally you stoking your own ego.
"take care" the irony, and even more so when you call others childish.
edit: Oh, another part of my goal? It's fun. I used to dive in youtube comments (vpn or otherwise) and be a debatelord. It stretches my brain muscles while not being serious enough that I feel actual pressure. Some terminally online fuckheads actually get irritated for a long time after logging off, but it's somewhat rare for me, the person has to be especially irritating and dumb.
edit 2: see, cksn gets it, slap a dumb react on it and leave, because funny internet points mean exactly nothing lol
they've died in alternate realities... but then again, makoto went on a mass murder spree, actually going sociopath instead of his current notably-not-sociopath state.
how is it concept that hard to understand and only 3 persons manage to figure out?
it just a simple "your Earth's flow of time isn't the same as our" should be enough to explain why someone know about RPG show up in their world way back.
how is it concept that hard to understand and only 3 persons manage to figure out?
it just a simple "your Earth's flow of time isn't the same as our" should be enough to explain why someone know about RPG show up in their world way back.
how is it concept that hard to understand and only 3 persons manage to figure out?
it just a simple "your Earth's flow of time isn't the same as our" should be enough to explain why someone know about RPG show up in their world way back.
root probably obfuscated it to hell and back... deliberately. like, if i say everyone who drinks dihydrogen monoxide dies and you haven't heard that joke and haven't learned chemistry...
or if, to explain planet orbits, i start from bosons and quantum mechanics
