Ushimitsu Gao - Vol. 2 Ch. 10

[MangaDex]

 

[Kaiofficialone]

I cried

 

[TheBlackGamer]

Ye this chapter shows the wife is just as terrible at communicating. Man all this time people were defending her and blaming the husband.

When it turns out they're both terrible at being honest with each other. Husband at showing affection and having confidence and her at being honest with her thoughts and opinions. It was pretty subtle before with how they interacted up to this point but this chapter was fairly explicit at showing the problem with both characters.

Only now the husband doesn't know how to talk to his wife and the wife is off in delusion cheating on her husband with a ghost. I'm very curious if anything can be fixed here and what the author will do because if I was the husband I'd go the divorce route. (Tho I wouldn't be in the husband's position in the first place). Because there isn't really a good way to continue with how fucked everything is.

 

[mindfield001]

Thank you for the translation.

It seems like neither of them were very honest with each other from the start. Megumi's "I'm being quite mean" line was interesting; this acknowledgement and (what seems like) acceptance of the uglier parts of her personality makes me wonder what course her actions are gonna take going forward. Does she even feel any sense of guilt at all at this point?

It also seems to me like this new girl is being set up to be some sort of adversary for ghost-san and be on the husband's "side" in all this. I could see her being the one to help him figure out whats actually going on. Mr. Husband needs someone else on his side to make this a fair 2v2, after all.

With how messy the whole situation is getting, I feel it'd be hard to give this story any kind of "happy" ending, at least in the typical sense.

 

[LucidDayDreamer]

Are there any other paranormal shows/movies that have done the "talking through the TV" in this way, bc thats so cool and I would love to see it in motion.

This would never happen but if this was animated it'd be so cool if they used clips from other animes to be the voices

 

[Weoooo]

Boy what a fucking mess. It's just getting messier.

Talking through the TV like this is really cool, though.

 

[Kurshir]

I have seen enough, get a divorce and get together with the new girl please husband-san

 

[HippoPilot]

BRO IS LITERALLY PROVEN RIGHT YET AGAIN!!! She was lying about her genuine thoughts on the movie, she never actually talked to him. Oh but now she can just say it to her ghost affair partner? Kick that bitch out and marry the HVAC babe!

 

[HippoPilot]

BRO IS LITERALLY PROVEN RIGHT YET AGAIN!!! She was lying about her genuine thoughts on the movie, she never actually talked to him. Oh but now she can just say it to her ghost affair partner? Kick that bitch out and marry the HVAC babe!

And it demonstrates he was actually being honest in his desire to communicate. He's done literally nothing wrong besides "not be chad".

 

[Kushikime]

Thanks for the chapter

 

[Speederzdk]

So it is exactly like I assumed. She most definitely wasn’t communicating about her problems properly. If she can’t even give her real thoughts on a goddamn movie, how are we expecting her to do so for genuine problems in their life?

My opinion is slowly getting more and more cemented in the “she’s the worse of the two”-camp and the gap is widening by a lot. We see him wanting to genuinely talk to her, fix their problems, even if he doesn’t truly know how. Her though? Nothing, really. We now finally see that she has communication problems so has she actually told him how she feels? I’m willing to bet that it’s a no. She might have tried, but probably did the same thing she did with the movie. Filtered it so much it wasn’t her actual opinion or thoughts.

Both are not great people, but only one of them has shown they’re willing to change and do something that isn’t just hurting the other and it’s not the wife.

 

[AcidVlad]

"Hahah silly woman who can't express herself correclty"

 

[Fugutron]

BRO IS LITERALLY PROVEN RIGHT YET AGAIN!!! She was lying about her genuine thoughts on the movie, she never actually talked to him. Oh but now she can just say it to her ghost affair partner? Kick that bitch out and marry the HVAC babe!

I wonder why they even married in the first place...

 

[waydanker]

I love her!✨

 

[keatsta]

I really don't get why people are like "ugh it's the woman who can't communicate" when he kinda just rambles on at her and then interrogates her when she tries to just move on without feeling rude. They both certainly have flaws in communication, but if you think the way he acted in that conversation was sensible, you got a lot to learn about conversing lol.

Great chapter tho, loved the TV communication scene. And my boy Clint Eastwood was there~

 

[TheBlackGamer]

I really don't get why people are like "ugh it's the woman who can't communicate" when he kinda just rambles on at her and then interrogates her when she tries to just move on without feeling rude. They both certainly have flaws in communication, but if you think the way he acted in that conversation was sensible, you got a lot to learn about conversing lol.

Great chapter tho, loved the TV communication scene. And my boy Clint Eastwood was there~

There's always one person who will defend a woman even when they're shown obvious flaws and try to spin the blame back on men.

The way he acted was rambley sure but that doesn't mean she still couldn't be honest. You're just making excuses for her. He even asked her what her real opinion was and while the flashback ended after that. It's safe to assume she still wasn't honest going from her interpretation of the memory.

Also no people can interact like he did and still be fine in conversing. He's not talking with a stranger he was with his girlfriend. She was limiting herself then because she's afraid of disappointing him when he didn't care about her knowledge on movies or screenplay he just wanted her honest opinion.

Best part is both of them agree on that fact the movie was pretentious.

There is no singular correct way to conversing when it comes to people who are close to each other. What you find a problem others don't.

 

[keatsta]

There's always one person who will defend a woman even when they're shown obvious flaws and try to spin the blame back on men.

The way he acted was rambley sure but that doesn't mean she still couldn't be honest. You're just making excuses for her. He even asked her what her real opinion was and while the flashback ended after that. It's safe to assume she still wasn't honest going from her interpretation of the memory.

Also no people can interact like he did and still be fine in conversing. He's not talking with a stranger he was with his girlfriend. She was limiting herself then because she's afraid of disappointing him when he didn't care about her knowledge on movies or screenplay he just wanted her honest opinion.

Best part is both of them agree on that fact the movie was pretentious.

There is no singular correct way to conversing when it comes to people who are close to each other. What you find a problem others don't.

This is an exact conversational pattern I've seen like a thousand times before, in stories and real life, where a man gives his opinion at length on something, then asks his partner what she thinks. He can say he wants her to be honest, he may even genuinely want her to be honest, but until you've been in that spot you really have no idea how hard it is, how rude you'd feel, to say "actually, I think it sucked" in that spot. And trust me, no matter how much the man in that scenario may believe he genuinely wants honesty, saying "actually, I think it sucked" will often just kill the conversation stone dead, lead to a long stupid argument, or cause some other tension, and it will feel like "your fault".

Trying to come up with something equally nuanced and considerate and roughly of the same value judgment is the "right" move in almost all of these cases. Is it ideal? No. But when you're put in an inherently uncomfortable dysfunctional space, it's often the best of the few choices you have.

The fact that they were dating when conversation was this dysfunctional is a huge problem, yes, but that's like, what the whole manga is about. But the whole situation was bad, not just her response.

 

[TheBlackGamer]

This is an exact conversational pattern I've seen like a thousand times before, in stories and real life, where a man gives his opinion at length on something, then asks his partner what she thinks. He can say he wants her to be honest, he may even genuinely want her to be honest, but until you've been in that spot you really have no idea how hard it is, how rude you'd feel, to say "actually, I think it sucked" in that spot. And trust me, no matter how much the man in that scenario may believe he genuinely wants honesty, saying "actually, I think it sucked" will often just kill the conversation stone dead, lead to a long stupid argument, or cause some other tension, and it will feel like "your fault".

Trying to come up with something equally nuanced and considerate and roughly of the same value judgment is the "right" move in almost all of these cases. Is it ideal? No. But when you're put in an inherently uncomfortable dysfunctional space, it's often the best of the few choices you have.

The fact that they were dating when conversation was this dysfunctional is a huge problem, yes, but that's like, what the whole manga is about. But the whole situation was bad, not just her response.

Not good to make assumptions when I'm speaking from experience. I have been in those situations before and I don't back down from saying what I really think in media I watch. Also saying a differing opinion will lead to dead air is bullshit. Normally a conversation leads to "Well why did you not like the movie?" and a conversation goes on from there. If the person in question asking really did care what you thought then they shouldn't get mad when you give something different than what they thought on the movie. Otherwise they never cared about your opinion.

If they ask for further detail you don't have to go into grave detail about everything you can give a simple example. Have you never had a discussion about movies with friends or something? In plenty of discussions I've had and podcasts of people discussing movies there was never a time when differing opinions lead to dead air. Arguments sure but at that point both parties should understand that they think differently on what they saw. If you can't even accept that premise they're not really close then. Walking on eggshells is no way to be with people you claim are your friends or even your lover.

And lastly no her response was really the bad thing there. Thinking someone going into detail about what they watched and genuinely asking the opinion of your lover is somehow a bad thing is dumb. It showed she cannot communicate at all and her complaints on her husband while accurate are also projection because she is the same. Even when given the opportunity to be open with him she still doesn't.

 

[keatsta]

Not good to make assumptions when I'm speaking from experience. I have been in those situations before and I don't back down from saying what I really think in media I watch. Also saying a differing opinion will lead to dead air is bullshit. Normally a conversation leads to "Well why did you not like the movie?" and a conversation goes on from there. If the person in question asking really did care what you thought then they shouldn't get mad when you give something different than what they thought on the movie. Otherwise they never cared about your opinion.

If they ask for further detail you don't have to go into grave detail about everything you can give a simple example. Have you never had a discussion about movies with friends or something? In plenty of discussions I've had and podcasts of people discussing movies there was never a time when differing opinions lead to dead air. Arguments sure but at that point both parties should understand that they think differently on what they saw. If you can't even accept that premise they're not really close then. Walking on eggshells is no way to be with people you claim are your friends or even your lover.

And lastly no her response was really the bad thing there. Thinking someone going into detail about what they watched and genuinely asking the opinion of your lover is somehow a bad thing is dumb. It showed she cannot communicate at all and her complaints on her husband while accurate are also projection because she is the same. Even when given the opportunity to be open with him she still doesn't.

I'm speaking from experience too lol. And yes, you're right that that's how things should go. But offering a differing opinion, especially when your opinion was "it was pretentious and bad" absolutely can cause dead air, or worse. I wouldn't say she had "the opportunity" to be open when she felt hounded to respond a particular way in order to not cause friction. There's a reason she felt compelled to make up some "film thesis bullshit", and it has everything to do with him dumping several paragraphs of analysis on her before asking her opinion.

I completely agree that you shouldn't be walking on eggshells around your partner. But it happens! They aren't a good match, but she's doing her best to not cause additional friction, because she wanted to make it work. He was doing his best too, but like many men, he's overcompensating for his insecurities around communication by dumping words on her.

Lemme break down how I think it ought to go in a good relationship, how it goes with me and my boyfriend:
"What'd you think about the movie?"
"Eh."
"Oh yeah? I thought it was decent. What do you wanna get for dinner?"

You can feel out your partner's readiness to discuss things. You don't get to unilaterally dictate the level of substance of every conversation. Save it for Letterboxd lol.

 

[dogmeister238]

I really don't get why people are like "ugh it's the woman who can't communicate" when he kinda just rambles on at her and then interrogates her when she tries to just move on without feeling rude. They both certainly have flaws in communication, but if you think the way he acted in that conversation was sensible, you got a lot to learn about conversing lol.

Great chapter tho, loved the TV communication scene. And my boy Clint Eastwood was there~

i agree, it's completely absurd to look at this and go "see BoTH SideS Are bad". that's a false equivalency. when the wife wasn't honest, it came from a place of caring about her partner's feelings. it wasn't a good approach, ill give them that, but it was an effort to reciprocate the relationship and connect with her partner. it's clear she put in a lot of care into her response to try to relate to her husband.

the husband has made no attempt to connect with his wife. when that happens, it's not just a matter of poor communication. poor communication itself can be fixed, but when the relationship is one-sided, and when he doesn't show the same sort of consideration, he's just asking for the relationship to crash and burn.

like at this point how good the communication is isn't even the point. she's fking a damn ghost; there's no way the husband can't physically communicate better than a voiceless ethereal being can.