Watashi no Kanojo wa Otokonoko

[MangaDex]

 

[DANDAN_THE_DANDAN]

At time of writing, chapter isn't out yet but...

LGBTQ couple

Shouldn't there be a shoujo-ai tag?

 

[nisepanda]

@DANDAN No, because one of them is bi-gender and the other has no gender.

 

[Syf]

Uh I was gonna ask something but I changed my mind and don't know how to delete a comment now

 

[VonCesaw]

inb4 those people who lambast the shounen ai and yaoi show up to spam 1 star ratings

 

[motokare]

@VonCesaw bu-bu-but this has a trap!
lol someone already voted it a 1 while it was still in delay

 

[pipiru]

It's actually not LGBT about real sex but feeling

 

[Kiriha]

Lately we got a lot of this gender identity thing aren't we? Also, i don't know whether drilling LGBT stuff into kids is a good thing or not.

 

[VawX]

Interesting, I never really understand the whole LGBT thing since there are just so many variation, but this manga can actually convey the story in such a way that most people will sympathize with the main characters even though they're a bit different (well maybe not for those who give this manga rating 1) mmm...

 

[Fitz]

This read more like an informational/propaganda manga using the manga format and story as a vehicle to introduce various LGBT issues than a story, written to be enjoyed as a story, that contained LGBT issues. I felt the characters came very much second and that they were mainly used as mouthpieces. I prefer it when the story and characters come first.

 

[Poplartree]

Wheres the link to the original Japanese description. I wanna check how accurate it is to this english one.

 

[Fitz]

@Poplartree I don't know if it is the original that they translated from, but here's what turns up:

http://www.moae.jp/comic/morningzero_watashinokanojowaotokonoko

 

[motokare]

@Poplartree the japanese desc is pretty meh, i just jazz it up a bit, but pretty much what its said there

 

[yougogirl]

I'll try to analyze this from an "objective" standpoint disregarding the social politics of this work. At times, it's pretty hard to tell who's talking about who, especially at the beginning. And for most of the story, it's less about the relationship between the two of them or even actually about exploring their identities so mich as just... throwing the concepts out there in hopes that it makes things interesting. For a few pages, it becomes an interesting story about a trans girl... except, they then make the character bigender so it kind of weasels its way out of that by making him comfortable with being a boy as well. At the end, when the two are embracing, it gets kinda cute and the "I really feel like a boy" line makes it almost matter that the character is bigender, but... I dunno, man. Kinda feels like they made it a (physically) het pairing and used the term otokonoko in the title specifically to make the whole thing more palatable to the japanese audience.

The side character who was in love with the bigender boy exists purely to be demonized even though she's basically just having a bad reaction to her worldview being challenged. It's hard for me to see her in as bad a light as the story clearly does, and from an audience perspective, she really should be the perspective character. She has an interesting conflict--a girl who has a rigid understanding of gender, yet falla in love with a crossdressing/bigender boy. She has a deep character flaw in that she can't hold back speaking poorly of people, which could be interesting to watch her work through as she comes to accept a new perspective on gender. Her rejection could serve as a turning point, and even if she ends up never getting her love requited, she'd come away from it a changed and better person.

Overall analysis: tone down the borderline-propagandistic elements and cut the page length to about half or maybe 2/3 of the current length and it could be improved, with the lower pagecount forcing the author to pace it differently and trim the fat. Either that, or make a longer story with that other girl as the protagonist. The art is appealing, so it definitely has that going for it. I'll definitely be watching this artist to see what they come up with next, even though I thought this one wasn't good. There's a lot of unrealized potential here.

 

[Aoitenshi]

I wonder if the people in charge were drunk to nominate this piece a winner, or maybe the competition was just that low.

 

[DesertStorm]

I think we need to add a Shoujo-Ai tag.

This is a shit manga. Before you believe everything here, please read these:

https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/the-sex-change-revolution-based-ideology-not-science

https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

Please save your children before they believe this bullshit!

 

[miramira]

This wasnt bad, but it did seem to pushed a worldview that assumes to be the “right” one (whether it is right or not is not what i mean, i mean that it assumes to be the ONLY right one).

As @yougogirl brought up the character that was criticized for meddling between the pair was the more interesting one. Even though she came off as a bitch, she was trying, in her own way, to hook up with the MC through childish and immature tactics. To then be confronted by her love and be heartbroken despite not caring about LGBTQ issues or identify as such.... she comes off as someone who can grow, unlike the pair that loves so much it’ll triumph over the world.

The complexities of LGBTQ within themselves and how society views them is an important issue that is not talked about enough. You only need to look underneath my post to see how others criticize “the bullshit” that this manga says just because it doesnt conform to their worldview. Exaclty like how this oneshot did the same to the villianess. Quite the irony dontcha think?

In any case, i enjoyed it. Wished it was a bit more thought provoking. Not everything in life has an answer. But it did made me think, a good step forward id say.

 

[ad_chiat]

@DesertStorm none of your sources are authorative. Heritage and ACPeds are conservative advocacy goups. You can see how much they support science when they talk about climate change. Since all three of your sources are about Paul R. McHugh, here's a good starting point on his "report": https://undark.org/article/gender-lgbtq-paul-mchugh-science/

 

[theo1996]

Wasted effort on making a propaganda , wall of text pseudoscience, and zero story whatsoever , honestly it looks like wish fulfillment . Dont get me wrong I like some yuri/shoujo-Ai etc. But this ? Forced bullshit to compensate the lack of anything interesting. Seems the degeneracy propaganda has rooted it self in Japanese society too. Remember kids your gender/sexuality is not who you are. At least they presented it in a sorta mellow way, properly calling it an illness. Almost went full 1488 ., Die Juden sind unser ungluck. Also where are the tags?

 

[VonCesaw]

@DesertStorm

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cns-news/
QUESTIONABLE SOURCE
EXTREME RIGHT WING BIAS, PROPOGANDA

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/american-college-of-pediatricians/
QUESTIONABLE SOURCE
HATE GROUP, POOR SOURCING

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/heritage-foundation/
RIGHT WING BIAS, FACTUAL REPORTING : MIXED

at least cite a proper source if you're going to "debunk"