Zeikin de Katta Hon - Vol. 9 Ch. 64 - A Laid-Back Cafe and Bakery

[Knighto]

At the very least she's not a hypocrite since her own pastry shop encourage that behavior. It absolutely means running the shop is her whole life, though. She seems to assume everybody else is the same, even though her own employee, by the looks of it, has told her multiple times it's not true.



A person who goes to a store during the last minutes is failing at organising their life. Why not go in half an hour before the closing time? Or an hour before. You are clearly not in control of your schedules if you need to leave it for the last minutes. It's just like people running red lights in traffic. If you are in such an awful hurry you need to do it, it means you aren't in control of your life.

well in the case of the lady, it was ironically the song that made her go so late, she doesn't realize is for the library to close

 

[Random_Passer-by]

Page 30 has a stray “Ishidiara”.

 

[Akikako]

Clearly you are someone who hasn't worked in retail before.

We locked the doors at 11pm. If you can run in, grab an item, and get out before then fine.

But you better believe there were people who would try to come in and fill up a shopping cart even as you're making announcements that the store is closing in 5 minutes. Heck even having multiple people run in to grab just a few items is pretty bad since they all have to go through the same line.

I couldn't send the cashier home until the last customer had been checked out so I could reconcile their register. And until that cashier was cleared to leave I couldn't close up the accounting office and get it ready for the next morning so I could leave. Heck even the guy cleaning the floors can't finish up until that last customer leaves, since

So yes, I am going to hate people who show up at the last minute. Especially the ones like the lady in the chapter who do it habitually.

for this, shops should have a stop-register time where physically the client can't buy goods.

 

[Sonaldo]

But you shouldn't. I mean, you are open till that time... so it's unfair to hate on them. Plus, usually, even if it's near closing time, you can usually have others fix up the rest of closing time.

And it usually doesn't take up way too much time... if a few minutes are going to throw off your life, then your life is unorganized and you need to fix that.

After all, they came in during the opening time still...

If you say you are going to be open till 10, then isn't it fair for them to try to get what they need at 10????

My local library has a policy where they stop book check out and services at a 7:45 but close at 8...

And a good business should put closing up space AFTER business time is over. Closing time should be AFTER business time...

When I was working part time at a restaurant, I once asked the boss this exact question and got the same answer. The restaurant open until 12 am but the cook stop working at 11:30 to clean and everything so even if you order and wait, nobody is gonna prepare you anything. So your only choice is to get something that's already prepared and even then, you can only eat it with plain mineral water because no one is gonna prepare the water and you have like less than 30 minutes to eat.

 

[Sonaldo]

At the very least she's not a hypocrite since her own pastry shop encourage that behavior. It absolutely means running the shop is her whole life, though. She seems to assume everybody else is the same, even though her own employee, by the looks of it, has told her multiple times it's not true.



A person who goes to a store during the last minutes is failing at organising their life. Why not go in half an hour before the closing time? Or an hour before. You are clearly not in control of your schedules if you need to leave it for the last minutes. It's just like people running red lights in traffic. If you are in such an awful hurry you need to do it, it means you aren't in control of your life.

Some people are just really busy. Plus it makes sense. It you're not gonna work 5 minutes before closing time, your shop should close 5 minutes before that then.

 

[Kaarme]

Some people are just really busy. Plus it makes sense. It you're not gonna work 5 minutes before closing time, your shop should close 5 minutes before that then.

Who's not working 5 minutes before the closing time? The problem here is a person who marches in 5 mins before the closing time and leaves 5 mins AFTER the closing time. Maybe they actually didn't want to, but if there's a queue to the cashier, what can they do about it? Some people simply don't care how much they inconvenience others.

If someone is so busy they often visit a store during the last minutes, maybe they should switch to another store that's open later. Or not be so busy. Just because he/she is so busy doesn't mean they have some divine right to make things harder for others.

 

[sakura_fai]

Wait but has anyone ever TOLD the patron the library is closing?

 

[Sonaldo]

Who's not working 5 minutes before the closing time? The problem here is a person who marches in 5 mins before the closing time and leaves 5 mins AFTER the closing time. Maybe they actually didn't want to, but if there's a queue to the cashier, what can they do about it? Some people simply don't care how much they inconvenience others.

If someone is so busy they often visit a store during the last minutes, maybe they should switch to another store that's open later. Or not be so busy. Just because he/she is so busy doesn't mean they have some divine right to make things harder for others.

You could just choose to stop working when the clock hits your closing hour no? Like that's how it was when I worked part time at a restaurant. The cook would legit stop working at 11:30 unless they're in the middle of preparing a dish. I would explain to the waiting customer that even if they order, no one would prepare it for them.

If they don't care about inconveniencing other, you shouldn't care about inconveniencing them

 

[Kaarme]

You could just choose to stop working when the clock hits your closing hour no? Like that's how it was when I worked part time at a restaurant. The cook would legit stop working at 11:30 unless they're in the middle of preparing a dish. I would explain to the waiting customer that even if they order, no one would prepare it for them.

If they don't care about inconveniencing other, you shouldn't care about inconveniencing them

In that sense, a restaurant is quite an optimal place for handling it smoothly. In any store where the customer collects the stuff they want to buy and then marches to the cashier, things are different. The cashier might say they already shut down the system, which would result in the customer having to give up, but I bet they would then just leave all the stuff they had collected right there. The store staff would then need to deal with the items, return them to the shelves, which actually takes more time than allowing the customer to buy them. The library is kind of same: if the last minute person collected a bunch of books, refusing it would still require taking the books back to their proper places. What they should refuse is all that talk and further book inquiries, but since it's Japan, they don't simply refuse anything.

I feel like this all comes down to a tacit understanding that new customers don't enter a business/office during the last minutes. The last minutes are just for the existing customers to exit. However, inconsiderate people don't care about any tacit understandings.

 

[Sonaldo]

In that sense, a restaurant is quite an optimal place for handling it smoothly. In any store where the customer collects the stuff they want to buy and then marches to the cashier, things are different. The cashier might say they already shut down the system, which would result in the customer having to give up, but I bet they would then just leave all the stuff they had collected right there. The store staff would then need to deal with the items, return them to the shelves, which actually takes more time than allowing the customer to buy them. The library is kind of same: if the last minute person collected a bunch of books, refusing it would still require taking the books back to their proper places. What they should refuse is all that talk and further book inquiries, but since it's Japan, they don't simply refuse anything.

I feel like this all comes down to a tacit understanding that new customers don't enter a business/office during the last minutes. The last minutes are just for the existing customers to exit. However, inconsiderate people don't care about any tacit understandings.

But if they're not leaving with their items, they should understand to not do it again. Whereas if you still complete the transaction, the customer would just repeat the same thing again tomorrow.

 

[sjiveru]

This seems like the whole thing boils down to unshared expectations. The bakery lady is fine with leaving a bit later, and so she expects everyone else to be fine with leaving later. She doesn't realise that what doesn't bother her does bother some other people.

 

[KimKowabunga]

What a cute MILF.

 

[Chinpo]

This series has solid gilf design.

 

[deathmailrock]

What a weird reply! You just completely discounted that person's lived experience and failed to empathize with them! Do you talk like this irl? If someone like this spoke to me, I would go use the bathroom.

I'm not discounting their experience... but the time you set is YOUR bond... that's the thing... and you have to set up for that. You need to prepare for that.

If the person came in at the time BEFORE closing, then they came in on time.

Yes, life is tough... but the opening times are the opening times...

 

[deathmailrock]

Who's not working 5 minutes before the closing time? The problem here is a person who marches in 5 mins before the closing time and leaves 5 mins AFTER the closing time. Maybe they actually didn't want to, but if there's a queue to the cashier, what can they do about it? Some people simply don't care how much they inconvenience others.

If someone is so busy they often visit a store during the last minutes, maybe they should switch to another store that's open later. Or not be so busy. Just because he/she is so busy doesn't mean they have some divine right to make things harder for others.

But they coming in during the time they should be allowed.

What stores should do (and stories I worked with did this) is make registers close at that specific time.... meaning if you don't make it in time, you don't get it).

Sometimes, the manager would make an exception if there is like only 1 or 2 people left to let them through, but that's about it...

If you set up a limit, you got to abide by it.

Libraries and stories in my area do this so they don't have issues with people stay way over time at the end...

 

[Kaarme]

But they coming in during the time they should be allowed.

Sure, but there are a whole lot of things you can do in life that are against good manners and decency, yet aren't breaking any formally written laws. For example at a congested parking lot it would often be easy to "steal" someone's intended parking space if you come from a more favourable direction, that is, someone has earlier stopped to wait for another person to drive away, freeing a specific parking spot, but you suddenly appear out of nowhere and claim the space, right in front of the waiting person. I doubt many countries actually have laws dictating elbowing your way into the middle of a long queue (for example to a cashier) is a crime, but nobody will bless you if you do it.

 

[deathmailrock]

Sure, but there are a whole lot of things you can do in life that are against good manners and decency, yet aren't breaking any formally written laws. For example at a congested parking lot it would often be easy to "steal" someone's intended parking space if you come from a more favourable direction, that is, someone has earlier stopped to wait for another person to drive away, freeing a specific parking spot, but you suddenly appear out of nowhere and claim the space, right in front of the waiting person. I doubt many countries actually have laws dictating elbowing your way into the middle of a long queue (for example to a cashier) is a crime, but nobody will bless you if you do it.

The thing is, the closing up time should not be the time when customers CAN still make orders...

I know plenty of businesses that do so. They set up a time when you can no longer do orders and what not and things are over.

 

[Simpleton]

Wait but has anyone ever TOLD the patron the library is closing?

This being Japan, almost certainly not.

 

[JetSetGramo]

personally dont mind people who come into my work to buy last minute as long as they take no for an answer when we cant do anything for them. probably would get on my nerves tho if it kept me from leaving.

 

[weleasewodger]

Clearly you are someone who hasn't worked in retail before.

We locked the doors at 11pm. If you can run in, grab an item, and get out before then fine.

But you better believe there were people who would try to come in and fill up a shopping cart even as you're making announcements that the store is closing in 5 minutes. Heck even having multiple people run in to grab just a few items is pretty bad since they all have to go through the same line.

I couldn't send the cashier home until the last customer had been checked out so I could reconcile their register. And until that cashier was cleared to leave I couldn't close up the accounting office and get it ready for the next morning so I could leave. Heck even the guy cleaning the floors can't finish up until that last customer leaves, since

So yes, I am going to hate people who show up at the last minute. Especially the ones like the lady in the chapter who do it habitually.

Then make your closing time earlier