Zenbu Kowashite Jigoku de Aishite - Vol. 4 Ch. 18 - Strained Impurity

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Kudou's behavior has been suspicious to me from day one. She doesn't use any honorific when referring to Naoi, which would imply she views Naoi as someone close to her. There's also how desperate Kudou was to re-establish their old dynamic. She did eventually resort to bribery, but she did initially try to speak to Naoi as an old friend, and even seemed kind of nervous when Naoi intially rebuffed her.
It doesn't help that in the volume 3 extras it has Kurumi dreaming of Kudou actively taking Naoi away from her - obviously its just the dream pages that feel like they have some amount of overlap with the story albeit not an exact match up, that have been in every volume so far, but far be it from me to completely write off the toxic yuri manga having a character literally steal one of the leads and run off with her.
 
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Fairly sure that in japan, you wouldn't need to pay a medical bill for this.
My understanding is that Japanese healthcare is very subsidized, but isn't free. Especially if Naoi's dad did something like not enroll the family in any kind of healthcare program.
 
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It doesn't help that in the volume 3 extras it has Kurumi dreaming of Kudou actively taking Naoi away from her - obviously its just the dream pages that feel like they have some amount of overlap with the story albeit not an exact match up, that have been in every volume so far, but far be it from me to completely write off the toxic yuri manga having a character literally steal one of the leads and run off with her.
For sure. The first volume bonus hinted at the love hotel and Kokoro being more of a Stan than a friend. While the volume 2 bonus hinted at Kokoro's downward spiral. So at the very least volume 3's bonus feels like it hints at Kudou trying to take Kurumi's place in Naoi's life.
 
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For sure. The first volume bonus hinted at the love hotel and Kokoro being more of a Stan than a friend. While the volume 2 bonus hinted at Kokoro's downward spiral. So at the very least volume 3's bonus feels like it hints at Kudou trying to take Kurumi's place in Naoi's life.
It feels like the extras predict plot points two volumes ahead; So Kudou might help out here in these upcoming chapters only to turn it around afterwards, which feels somewhat fitting for such a problems clown, I doubt her 'stealing naoi' was just about their hotel trip this chapter.
 
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Oh I do love that Kokoro sexually assaults Kurumi and also refuses to do anything that the latter asks because Kokoro sees herself as a good person and apparently dehumanizing is awesome.
 
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I read a Japanese review of the chapter that I thought was pretty interesting, so I'll summarize some of its main ideas.

Basically that on top of being cunning and manipulative, Kudou has very good observational skills. The presumed reason why Kudou didn't try to help Kurumi pull Kokoro off of Naoi, was that Kudou had a good idea of what was coming next. It was because she wanted to see Kokoro tumble down the path to her own destruction. I think was backed up by Kurumi's thoughts right before passing out. "If this continues...it could be really..." indicates that Kurumi knows the situation would be unfixable if left to progress, which is seemingly exactly what Kudou wanted to happen.

Even if Kokoro's parents try to separate Kokoro from Kurumi now, it's already likely too late to salvage the situation and Kokoro's old personality. "Spilled water can't be put back into the pot" was the phrase they used.

Also, lamenting how Akane could've changed this outcome by not encouraging Kokoro's behavior toward Kurumi.

Another interesting thing of note, was that Azuma was seen as in the same situation as Naoi was formerly. Trying to do the right thing and getting socially isolated for it.
 
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Even if Kokoro's parents try to separate Kokoro from Kurumi now, it's already likely too late to salvage the situation and Kokoro's old personality. "Spilled water can't be put back into the pot" was the phrase they used.
I'm not sure I agree with this in principle. However, narratively and thematically it would be a good way to keep Kokoro in the story, as opposed to it being Kokorover as specluated. Essentially this would be uncovering the "true Kokoro" in the way Naoi roused Kurumi's latent traits that Kurumi was keeping hidden.

With Kokoro, this could be someone is comfortable using the manipulation and control tactics she is already using, but in a more conscious in a deliberate way. This would make her a good ally for Kudou, who has similar tendencies. Kokoro being willing to use her size and physicality, rather than feeling shamed by it not matching her self image, would be another interesting possible change.

I have no idea where the author is going with this story or how much they have planned, but something on this scale would be necessary if we want to maintain Kokoro as an antagonist.
 
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I have no idea where the author is going with this story or how much they have planned, but something on this scale would be necessary if we want to maintain Kokoro as an antagonist.
With all the other lingering plots, it almost feels like this was Kokoro's final farewell. And that Kurumi will wakeup to find out that Kokoro's parents whisked her away to get Kokoro away from her, making all of Kurumi's attempts to salvage their friendship pointless in the end. It would be kind of unsatisfying honestly, in that unless Kokoro would appear later, that Kurumi never really stood up to her, instead just giving her a look of rejection in the end. Though in ZenKowa, I don't think people or events are meant to be perfect, so it could still go this route. Plus, Kurumi's main fear all this time has been being left with nothing. If Kokoro is forced to leave, and her relationship with Naoi ends up on thin ice due to her capitulating to Kokoro and Kudou's interference, then Kurumi could feel like her fears have come true.

Though it's also possible that Kudou, Mine, or someone uses Kokoro's anger and convinces her that Kurumi was intentionally using her all this time. In some ways Kokoro was always Kurumi's safety net. She was the only person who stuck with her until Naoi came along. That could be how Kokoro feels after this chapter. Kurumi doubts Naoi, seems to be coming around, then the minute Naoi shows up it's like Kokoro never mattered to Kurumi in the first place. Kokoro still has a copy of the shoplifting video she could release if she gets mad enough.
 
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It's just hard to see Kokoro staying as an antagonist after this chapter left off with one protagnist passed out in the floor due to Kokoro's treatment of her, while the other protagonist is still being strangled by her. It feels like an ambulance would have to be called for one or the other to make sure they're okay, which would then result in Kokoro's actions the last few chapters getting outed and her parents freaking out.
 
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To me the main question is how many volumes we have left. If we have one or two more, there's not time for Kokoro to do a lot. If there's more, she could even if it's not strictly necessary. I won't rule anything out with this author.

Nothing that's happened yet calls for an ambulance. While oxygen deprivation is quickly dangerous, passing out very very briefly is not in my experience (please don't ask lol). Once oxygen is back in the picture, one can quickly be on their feet like nothing happened. Kokoro being momentarily distracted by Kurumi collapsing would be enough time. We don't even know if Naoi lost consciousness, so as of now I would say she's fine. That will of course change if the strangulation continues.

Kurumi probably just has the flu or something, also not really ambulance tier. She needs to lay down and have the people around her calm down.

We do still have factors like the album cover and the scissor shot implying this situation could get much worse. Naoi and Kurumi I think would not want the oversight that goes with a hospital visit. They wouldn't call one unless it was clearly necessary, like if someone's life is in danger. Kudou or Kokoro might "to be on the safe side" if circumstances were favorable, but it seems unlikely that Kokoro would right now.
 
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To me the main question is how many volumes we have left. If we have one or two more, there's not time for Kokoro to do a lot. If there's more, she could even if it's not strictly necessary. I won't rule anything out with this author.

Nothing that's happened yet calls for an ambulance. While oxygen deprivation is quickly dangerous, passing out very very briefly is not in my experience (please don't ask lol). Once oxygen is back in the picture, one can quickly be on their feet like nothing happened. Kokoro being momentarily distracted by Kurumi collapsing would be enough time. We don't even know if Naoi lost consciousness, so as of now I would say she's fine. That will of course change if the strangulation continues.

Kurumi probably just has the flu or something, also not really ambulance tier. She needs to lay down and have the people around her calm down.

We do still have factors like the album cover and the scissor shot implying this situation could get much worse. Naoi and Kurumi I think would not want the oversight that goes with a hospital visit. They wouldn't call one unless it was clearly necessary, like if someone's life is in danger. Kudou or Kokoro might "to be on the safe side" if circumstances were favorable, but it seems unlikely that Kokoro would right now.
We’ve got two more chapters in this volume assuming we’re following the 5 chapters per volume model, though the past three chapter have been a bit shorter than average (21, 28, and 28 respectively, they’re usually around 30-35 pages with some in the 40 range iirc), so the next two chapters could be on the long side. Or not. Who knows lol but it would make sense for them to be a bit longer given all that’s happened so far. The whole volume has taken place over the course of one day which is pretty crazy to think about (Kurumi and the terrible no good very bad day).

Additionally Kurumi and the girls are all second years, so they’ve got an additional year of school after this one. I have no idea if the author plans on going that far but there are quite a few open threads still about: Isanuma and the teacher, Azuma and Mine’s whole deal (we don’t know if the latter naturally a shit stirrer or if she has something against Kurumi in particular), Kurumi’s mom (who I’ve always assumed to be the final boss), Naoi’s family (dunno if missing mom and sister will show up but her dad is actively a problem), Kudou, Kokoro, Akane, the potential for some new awful thing to happen… the best route for both of them would be to get out of dodge after graduation, but they’ve got a long way to go before that
 
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We’ve got two more chapters in this volume assuming we’re following the 5 chapters per volume model, though the past three chapter have been a bit shorter than average (21, 28, and 28 respectively, they’re usually around 30-35 pages with some in the 40 range iirc), so the next two chapters could be on the long side. Or not. Who knows lol but it would make sense for them to be a bit longer given all that’s happened so far. The whole volume has taken place over the course of one day which is pretty crazy to think about (Kurumi and the terrible no good very bad day).

Additionally Kurumi and the girls are all second years, so they’ve got an additional year of school after this one. I have no idea if the author plans on going that far but there are quite a few open threads still about: Isanuma and the teacher, Azuma and Mine’s whole deal (we don’t know if the latter naturally a shit stirrer or if she has something against Kurumi in particular), Kurumi’s mom (who I’ve always assumed to be the final boss), Naoi’s family (dunno if missing mom and sister will show up but her dad is actively a problem), Kudou, Kokoro, Akane, the potential for some new awful thing to happen… the best route for both of them would be to get out of dodge after graduation, but they’ve got a long way to go before that
When you put it that way, it does sound like the author intends for there to be a third year for them to have to survive, but that the author is being sure they can end sooner if necessary. This story would work fine if they were in their final year, so there must be some significance to having them be younger.
 
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When you put it that way, it does sound like the author intends for there to be a third year for them to have to survive, but that the author is being sure they can end sooner if necessary. This story would work fine if they were in their final year, so there must be some significance to having them be younger.
Likely because second year is “prime time” for students, you’ve had a year to settle into whatever niche you’ll be in, but you don’t have to worry about college exams yet so you have a lot of “free time”
 
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For how long the series might run, each volume has been getting a single reprint when the next volume comes out. So far volume 1 was reprinted twice and volume 2 has been reprinted once. It's when this trend ends that I would maybe start expecting the series to wrap up.

Though, the author has noted there is an issue of availability, since many local shops that carry manga don't carry this series. Harder to bring in new readers if they never stumble upon the series.

As for online, there was a deal on amazon.co.jp recently where for the price of one volume, you could get all three current volumes of the series. They're trying to bring in new readers and hope they stay long-term to support future volumes.
 
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Likely because second year is “prime time” for students, you’ve had a year to settle into whatever niche you’ll be in, but you don’t have to worry about college exams yet so you have a lot of “free time”
This is a good point, but the story is also set up in a way where they aren't free until they make it college / graduate. Them having established roles (eg Kurumi class president, Kokoro the loner, Naoi the delicuent, etc) was important to the story, but free time hasn't been really. Everyone has enough going on that we wouldn't blame if they didn't study for entrance exams as well as they should. If the plan was to end after eg 5 volumes at max it would seem like putting them closer to freedom would make for a more satisfying ending without major time skips.

For how long the series might run, each volume has been getting a single reprint when the next volume comes out. So far volume 1 was reprinted twice and volume 2 has been reprinted once. It's when this trend ends that I would maybe start expecting the series to wrap up.

Though, the author has noted there is an issue of availability, since many local shops that carry manga don't carry this series. Harder to bring in new readers if they never stumble upon the series.

As for online, there was a deal on amazon.co.jp recently where for the price of one volume, you could get all three current volumes of the series. They're trying to bring in new readers and hope they stay long-term to support future volumes.
Well, that's unfortunate that it's declined and not carried in shops. I don't have a lot of spare money to throw around, but maybe I should figure out how to buy the digital volumes. I would love for this to be a long running series, even though I never expected it to be a financial top performer.

Edit: Figured it out, very easy on bookwalker. I just linked paypall to pay for it. Like $5 per volume is very reasonable.
 
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Kudou or Kokoro might "to be on the safe side" if circumstances were favorable, but it seems unlikely that Kokoro would right now.
Kudou's true intentions are still quite the enigma to me, but her calling someone for the lols doesn't seem out of character for her. Also, the panels right before Kurumi passed out make me question whether Kudou stood up from her chair. Because the last thing she was looking at before her vision blurred was Kudou sitting in a chair. And one of the fading panels was an empty chair's legs, which would seem kind of odd unless it was hinting that Kudou had moved. Kudou was in the chair closest to Kokoro's head, which isn't visible in the second fading panel.

Honestly, Kudou and Mine are the characters I want to know more about, because their actual motives are ambiguous at the best of times. Is Mine in love with Isanuma and this is all some master plan to destroy her crush on the teacher? Does she just hate Kurumi and is using Isanuma as a proxy to avoid getting her own hands dirty/in trouble herself? What are her actual feelings toward Azuma, besides a feeling of betrayal for being told on?
 

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