I give up. Theres no discussion with you. You fight with things I didn't say, or change what I said to worse versions and battle those.
You're right—there isn’t a discussion here because you’ve consistently proven how wrong you are. To make it worse, you tried to argue that I twisted your words to make your argument seem worse than it actually is, but that was never the case. I’ve only pointed out the holes in your argument and repeatedly told you how wrong you are. That’s it.
I tell you he tells her that he isn't good enough compared to her, while he is already far better than her - which can be seen by her as an insult to her and her work, which clashes her with his image of her perfect idealistic self, and you run around in circles with "he wanted to be better - thats not belittling anyone - you argument is shit/has holes".
You argued that he was belittling her by acknowledging that he couldn’t do it on his own and wanting to prove his worth with his own hands. You claimed that by pointing this out and asking her to wait, he belittled her—but that was never the case. That’s why I said your argument makes no sense. She was the one who started it. She criticized him first, saying he wasn’t good enough to be in a relationship because he was stagnant in his job. To make matters worse, she pointed out that his rival was doing better than him and reminded him that she trained his rival, just as she trained the main character, but highlighted how his rival had surpassed him.
Furthermore, when he asked her if improving himself would make him worthy of being in a relationship with her, she responded, 'I don’t know about being in a relationship, but we could talk about some things.' There was never any confirmation that she would be with him. Despite this, he still chose to step up and improve himself because he wanted to be worthy of her. She was the one who initiated this by pointing out his stagnation, and he responded by trying to better himself to impress her. She started it.
I tell you he is blinded by his crusade to better himself - ignorant of how his behaviour can hurt others, especially the girl he supposedly does it for, that in my eyes he watered the "insecurities" that the girl developed cause of him. And you call her a whore for succumbing to this toxic environment he created, that she became stagnant even thou it wasn't really said in the story AFAIC, everyone just seemed stagnant compared to the unhealthy bettering himself bot.
And this explanation alone proves how flawed your argument is. You claim that he created a toxic environment, but in reality, she was the one who started it. What’s even more ridiculous is that if she truly cared about him and loved him, she wouldn’t have been jealous of his success—especially since she was the one who pushed him to improve in the first place. She was his senpai. It’s not his fault that she chose to remain stagnant.
I asked you before: Did she try to elevate herself? Did she try to improve in her job? Did she make an effort to address the insecurities she was dealing with? Did she even try to communicate with the MC about what she was going through? No.
And yet, you keep blaming the MC for choosing to improve himself. How is it his fault that he wanted to better himself? I don’t understand how you can continue to defend this argument while ignoring the fact that she is the one who put him in that position. It makes no sense and only highlights another hole in your argument.
I tell you she was weak and fallen into arms of a dude, that wasn't creating that unclimbable wall in front of her like MC did. Heck with how the story was told - we know she wasn't in a relationship with MC yet. When she spotted MC while in the middle of the deed, she was shocked for a short moment, but then gone back to the bliss. And you say she had a purpose to hurt him, that it was her goal, like this NTR situation wasn't a spur of the moment thing but something she deliberately planned, like she jumped the dick of the rival dude and called MC to the room so he could freaking witness it
By your own words, she was insecure and jealous of the MC—so jealous that she went to his rival to complain about him improving himself. Now here’s the logic: when she was in the middle of having sex, or about to, with his rival and saw the MC standing in the doorway, did she stop what she was doing at any point to say it was a mistake? No. She saw him there and continued.
These are your words, which means, in that moment, she wanted him to hurt because she was hurting. You could argue it was a spur-of-the-moment decision, and maybe it was, but that doesn’t change the fact that she saw him in the doorway and didn’t stop. She didn’t try to fix the situation, didn’t admit it was a mistake, and didn’t even hesitate. She saw him standing there and kept going. She's a whore.
Not once I said its not her fault, yet every single time you "explain" your side like I did. Not once I said its completely his fault, yet you seem to argue with me saying that. I say he fuelled her insecurities - helped her reach the bottom of the barrel faster with the way he behaved, yet again you argue I blame MC for what the girl was doing.
Yet you continue to push this ridiculous narrative that he contributed to her insecurities, when in reality, she became insecure because of the situation she caused. No one is responsible for how you feel inside. No one can make you angry—you choose to be angry. No one can make you envious—you choose to be envious. That was her in this moment.
She set the conditions for him to improve, and then became jealous of his success. She became insecure because she wasn’t advancing in her job and allowed herself to stagnate. That’s entirely on her, not him. If she truly loved him, she would have supported him—but she didn’t. If she truly loved him, she would have agreed to a relationship at the beginning of the chapter when he initially asked her out. Instead, she forced him into this position, pushing him to improve himself, and he did all of that to prove he was worthy of being with her.
And yet, you claim that he somehow contributed to her insecurities, rather than acknowledging that she became insecure because of her own jealousy over the MC. That’s the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard, and I keep telling you that because it’s fucking stupid.
She loved him, but in typical woman fashion, was hesitant to accept him when he is stagnant at work. So she played the woman game and gave him a carrot of "get better and we will see". He hooked, lined and sunk for that bait. He got better in a crazy pace, left everyone behind, and every time he talked with the girl he "rubbed it in her face" by telling her "not yet, cause you are still better than me". She succumbed to this toxic situation, felt insecure, wasn't able to get better like him to reach his idealized version of her. She created a monster that gone beyond her imagination. Lost to this monster and shit happened.
Just going off the first sentence alone—by your own words—she didn’t accept him for who he was because he was stagnant at his job. She set the damn conditions. You’re literally saying exactly what I’ve been saying, and yet you still try to twist it into a different conclusion. None of this is his fault.
It’s absolutely ridiculous that you’re trying to blame him for her insecurities. She put herself in that position. She told him he wasn’t good enough. She could have accepted a relationship with him as he was, but instead, when he wanted to improve himself, it’s suddenly his fault for asking her to wait because he wanted to prove his worth with his own hands? That’s insane. She didn’t accept him before, but now it’s okay? How does that even make sense?
Seriously, you can’t be serious. She created a “monster”—someone who what? Improved himself? Someone who worked hard to grow for her? Come on now. This has to be a joke. There’s no way you’re actually blaming him for the fact that she was stagnant at her job. He never told her she wasn’t good enough. He never said she needed to improve to be like him. He said he wanted to be worthy of her.
Even if you argue it was the “ideal” version of her he was chasing, she was the one who set the conditions in the first place. So no matter how you spin it, this is on her. Trying to argue otherwise makes no fucking sense at all.
So once fucking again: She was weak - not a whore. He bettered himself - but in unhealthy fashion that speed up her fall. Shit happened - it was an accident not a planned event to "fuck over MC".
She's definitely a whore. Again, you keep pushing this dumbass narrative that it's the MC fault for her insecurities—which takes the blame completely away from her and her actions. The MC improving himself should never an excuse for her insecurities, and yet keep continuing to push this dumbass narrative.
I see this as a girl that stands at a cliff, and the MC pokes her in the ribs with his "See how I got better? But this is not enough, I am still nothing compared to you", each poke she kinda steps back a little, till she goes over the edge and falls.
Again, this explanation is absolutely ridiculous. The MC improving himself should have had no impact on her insecurities. She chose to be jealous of his success. She didn’t celebrate it. She didn’t acknowledge that he was worthy. She made the conscious decision to be envious. Thinking otherwise is just absurd.
Seriously, man, you can’t be serious. It’s like she’s standing on a cliff, and every time he says, ‘Look how much I’ve improved, but I’m still not as good as you,’ you’re trying to make that sound like it’s his fault? Get the hell out of here. That logic is just beyond comprehension.
The fact that he openly admitted he wasn’t ready, that he hadn’t been able to prove himself with his own hands, and that his success was thanks to the collective efforts of others—and somehow that’s an issue? It’s mind-blowingly stupid. Super dumb. Beyond dumb. I don’t even have words for how ridiculous that is. It’s like ‘Super Saiyan 3 God Mode dumb.’ Just... dumb.
Sure if she was strong she wouldn't step back and fall, but theres a chance that if the MC didn't poke her - she wouldn't fall either. I will give you thou that if she didn't ask them to stand on that cliff with her game - she wouldn't fall either.
Yeah, I'm going to end it here. Your explanation is beyond ridiculous that it's downright laughable at this point. Only a true simp would think this way, which is why I can't take this discussion seriously anymore.
Adios!
