Maou to Yuusha no Tatakai no Ura de - Ch. 17.2

[MangaDex]

 

[Bibliothecarius]

Thnks for the chapter!!!!!

 

[LordofLeechers]

I may be reading this wrong, but if there is a finite amount of ambient mana in a given place at any time, wouldn't it be theoretically possible to temporarily drain a place of mana in advance, and lure your enemies to a battlefield where their mages are cut off? Alternatively, you could have your own mages drain the battlefield with useless spells, rendering the opponent's mages moot as well over the course of combat. I suppose the amount of mana is too large for that to be considered a viable strategy, but it's something to think about.

 

[Nyyx]

I may be reading this wrong, but if there is a finite amount of ambient mana in a given place at any time, wouldn't it be theoretically possible to temporarily drain a place of mana in advance, and lure your enemies to a battlefield where their mages are cut off? Alternatively, you could have your own mages drain the battlefield with useless spells, rendering the opponent's mages moot as well over the course of combat. I suppose the amount of mana is too large for that to be considered a viable strategy, but it's something to think about.

This at least shows that the latter is possible (there's no indication yet that he's testing the re-charge rate of environmental mana), and Werner has past-world experience that may make him believe better magic-tactics (like combat ones) are necessary in the future. It could be inferred in both domains that he's trying to guide the nation to be more accepting to such tactics by proving it in advance.

Mages must be grinning because they 1) get to learn new things, 2) get to prove their worth in combat, and 3) get out of the tower!

Poor man doesn't see that he's broadcasting his leadership, planning, and research skills. He's never going to get a break...

 

[Mageos]

Thank you!

 

[BanditHadron]

This at least shows that the latter is possible (there's no indication yet that he's testing the re-charge rate of environmental mana), and Werner has past-world experience that may make him believe better magic-tactics (like combat ones) are necessary in the future. It could be inferred in both domains that he's trying to guide the nation to be more accepting to such tactics by proving it in advance.

Mages must be grinning because they 1) get to learn new things, 2) get to prove their worth in combat, and 3) get out of the tower!

Poor man doesn't see that he's broadcasting his leadership, planning, and research skills. He's never going to get a break...

Kingdom's gonna have a lock onto Werner for the rest of his life as Archmagus, Tactician / General of the Armies, and (potentially) head of two of the most militarily-successful noble houses.

 

[Tonytakanawa]

I may be reading this wrong, but if there is a finite amount of ambient mana in a given place at any time, wouldn't it be theoretically possible to temporarily drain a place of mana in advance, and lure your enemies to a battlefield where their mages are cut off? Alternatively, you could have your own mages drain the battlefield with useless spells, rendering the opponent's mages moot as well over the course of combat. I suppose the amount of mana is too large for that to be considered a viable strategy, but it's something to think about.

You're on the right track!

Spoiler: probably revealed next chapter

The demons are better at magic than humans and can cast large scale magic bombardments that the humans cannot currently fathom in this era of relative peace. He is preparing them for defense against such opponents.

 

[Nemo2342]

I love me some fantasy mechanics! Put that stuff right into my veins 😍

 

[Nyyx]

You're on the right track!

Spoiler: probably revealed next chapter

The demons are better at magic than humans and can cast large scale magic bombardments that the humans cannot currently fathom in this era of relative peace. He is preparing them for defense against such opponents.

Spoiler: LN timing

It will be a while until we see the tactic. In the LN we're at chapter 28, and the combat is around chapter 207.

 

[Reina4444]

degenkolb is such a german name for a knight. while "degen" means sword or rapier, "kolb" refers to a club or mace. the name as a whole describes a very skilled fighter.
werner of course tops everything with his name meaning something along "being cautious", which is literally his trope in the manga.

 

[cryum]

I may be reading this wrong, but if there is a finite amount of ambient mana in a given place at any time, wouldn't it be theoretically possible to temporarily drain a place of mana in advance, and lure your enemies to a battlefield where their mages are cut off? Alternatively, you could have your own mages drain the battlefield with useless spells, rendering the opponent's mages moot as well over the course of combat. I suppose the amount of mana is too large for that to be considered a viable strategy, but it's something to think about.

That is exactly what this is for, especially with the last line the mage said.

This isn't the "first test", they've already done multiple iterations to optimize mage castings in this scenario. This was a "demonstration" to the army of Welner's value, as well as what the future of magic tactics is going to look like.

 

[Baggienass]

Man I know this is just an isekai so I should have lower expectations but this has so much potential. The MC isn't that edgy and there's no obscene fan service. World building a really odd at times but the fantasy element is nice.

I really hope they don't ruin it by making the MC the only competent character. I don't want this to be a self jerk story where everyone starts stroking the MC. Hopefully the other characters start getting some respect and development.

A little bummed out that he is the only one who thought of this so far. Would have been nice if there were others working on these ideas already or if there was someone knowledgeable enough to lead these experiments instead of him. Cuz well even though he's played the game he's only lived in this world for a short while and as most a student.

 

[cryum]

I really hope they don't ruin it by making the MC the only competent character.

I think you've already missed out on how several, several people are following up on MC's actions well beyond what he ever made plans on.

 

[Baggienass]

I think you've already missed out on how several, several people are following up on MC's actions well beyond what he ever made plans on.

Name 3 instances.

 

[cryum]

Name 3 instances.

Realizing that MC was doing this crazy stuff without any political purpose, and therefore entrusting him with LOTS of important work and taking him out of school.

The stunt the mage corp did just now, Welner didn't plan any of that.

The merchants signing on for a long, distant journey, with the mercenaries noticing that Welner made specific arrangements and taking full advantage of the maps he provided.

How Welner's parents are (trying) to handle him, both in the troops provided and forcing him to do some of the political stuff to keep a solid guard.

The prince repeatedly monitoring him personally, making plenty of indirect plans using Welner as a chess piece, whether or not Welner picks up on the plan and follows it.

 

[BananowyJE]

I really hope they don't ruin it by making the MC the only competent character. I don't want this to be a self jerk story where everyone starts stroking the MC. Hopefully the other characters start getting some respect and development.

We need to see how the manga will deal with the later events since it fixes many things compared to LN/WN. IIRC after the reverse siphon idea of all things the WN/LN kinda turns into "SASUGA WERNER-SAMA" wank, but it gets better as it gets further as we will get some intrigues or battles where the writer isn't able to waste most of the chapter to explain how lower ranking aristocrats have lower political power/authority than the higher ranking ones. Or some other obvious concepts that try to make MC smarter than he is, when we already saw him being smart in his actions before.
It also allows other characters to expand upon his ideas or even use certain items that Werner orders in a surprising way. That said the OG story is still much better than your average isekai story and it keeps true to the title.
Also the best part about this series is that the biggest fangirls of MC are old men in power who, like the Crown Prince, want to keep him around by any means necessary, quite often allowing him to do seemingly crazy stuff or manipulating current political situation, knowing that it will make the war much easier down the line.
But yeah, the biggest problematic element of the series is the RPG mechanics, an by that I mean mostly the monster loot system. Like some things can only be made from X part of Y monster, when the world seems like to be so familiar to our own that it should have been possible to use natural materials to replace it. That said Werner isn't a walking encyclopedia of everything ever, so I can turn a blind eye to such fragments.

 

[Baggienass]

Realizing that MC was doing this crazy stuff without any political purpose, and therefore entrusting him with LOTS of important work and taking him out of school.

The stunt the mage corp did just now, Welner didn't plan any of that.

The merchants signing on for a long, distant journey, with the mercenaries noticing that Welner made specific arrangements and taking full advantage of the maps he provided.

How Welner's parents are (trying) to handle him, both in the troops provided and forcing him to do some of the political stuff to keep a solid guard.

The prince repeatedly monitoring him personally, making plenty of indirect plans using Welner as a chess piece, whether or not Welner picks up on the plan and follows it.

The first is just leaving it to him and I don't think most people would qualify asking someone else to work as necessarily competent. The last point, well I haven't read the novel so I'll just have to trust you on this (and I really hope you're right, I want a good story too). Parents telling their kid how to behave or paying for some his expenses while of course welcome idk if I would count that as being significant at this point, maybe further on in the story. Everything else is just other following his instructions and thats kinda my point? I don't want the MC to be the only source of good ideas. Other characters should be more than just tools who are good for certain tasks. Maybe we just have different standards for what counts and doesn't count as competent side characters and if that's the case then rip I guess. I don't mean to disrespect your taste.

 

[cryum]

Everything else is just other following his instructions

But they're not, that's the point. It's not (always) "I never thought of doing this", it's "I've never been given this much stuff" or "I know exactly what to do with this" or "This is what I need to do to profit while still fulfilling Welner's request"

 

[darkgunner]

Thank you very much for another great translation!!

 

[NamaeX]

Anyone notice what the magical tools are? From what I see, we have a fan, portable stove, steam iron, what is that other box-like thing?