Make Heroine ga Oosugiru! @comic - Vol. 5 Ch. 20.4 - The first experience was for a losing heroine. The second experience was for a losing heroine. W…

[MangaDex]

 

[Graywing]

Thanks for the chapter!!!

 

[ciera]

thank you for the chapter

 

[PapaJohn42]

Love this panel, idk why.

 

[nicolas22g]

Love this panel, idk why.

A great batch of Nukkun suffering

 

[ItsThatBriGuy]

There's a Remon-related middle-school memory i don't recall from LN2 in here. Makes me wonder how many more of these Kazu "doesn't remember" in his completely reliable narration.

 

[subliminalduck]

The art in this is so fucking beautiful.

 

[coyote_vdb]

Thanks for the translation.

 

[BalrogDeMorgoth]

Thanks for the chapter

 

[shadowsito]

Thanks for the chapter

Btw, It seems LN vol 8 will be released in a week. Does anyone know if someone will translate it?

 

[DangNguywn]

Tks for the chapter

 

[Otaku-Sama]

I just can't help but to love whatever this artist draws... everything is gorgeous, and the chibis give me life.
In any case, it's quite the suffering having to wait for the chapters. 9 pages is way way too short.

 

[Lunkli]

Nooks is seriously a way more compelling character in the manga than he is in the anime. The internal monologue just adds so much.

 

[Yaboi27]

Nooks is seriously a way more compelling character in the manga than he is in the anime. The internal monologue just adds so much.

Many such cases

 

[Wowkin]

Not the first time they talk about "that part about him", I have some theories but I prefer to be sure. Someone could explain ?

 

[NerimaShinjuku]

Nuka-Cola has GOT to end up with Yakishio, there’s simply no other sane outcome

 

[apstorm]

Yeah. Some really good stuff here. The biggest value I've noted in the manga is the shifting character styles (like those goofy chibis) and expressions, as well as these little glimpses at his middle school days showing there was a connection between him and Lemon, but he just refuses to acknowledge his middle school days at all, it seems.

Though, to be honest, I also appreciate the anime's consistency of character design. I just wish it had more of these glimpses back into his past that he clearly refuses to admit happened, and a bit more expressiveness overall. I'll still insist the opening moments of the anime were far better than the opening moments of the manga, though. The whole sequence with Anna (I suppose also the opening narrative about the very premise of the series, too) was just so much better done in the anime, it feels like. But the manga has had an opportunity to see what the anime has done and improve on it with a number of the chapters since then, too.


Nukumizu in general is so committed to seeing himself as a 'mob character' that only exists to fill in the background, when he really is the star and many characters are showing interest in him because they can tell he cares more than he lets on. That 'mob character' mentality causes him to downplay how strongly he feels for these characters. 'Not a big deal' my ass- you just didn't want to say the 'can't help but root for you' thing, because it breaks from that self-perception you are going to probably be struggling to break for most of the story.

And folks are saying he's gotta end up with Lemon, but, to be honest, he has these sorts of moments with all three of the girls we've met so far, though some of them are yet to come to pass. It's just he's got more (un-acknowledged) history with Lemon. I personally think, as someone who watched the anime, he has more of a connection with Anna, despite the history with Lemon. Especially the way he almost always interacts with Anna alongside whichever other character the arc is focusing on, so even if he's getting closer to Lemon, or later Chika, he's also getting closer to Anna in the process, generally.

Not saying I'd prefer him to end up with her, just noting much of the evidence I've witnessed feels like it leans heavily towards Anna, regardless of any middle-school history with Lemon. I don't generally 'ship' so much as acknowledge the leanings implied. Have similar experiences reading or watching other harem or pseudo-harem works. Like Nisekoi, especially after watching the anime and then moving on to the manga through about the first hundred chapters, the main love triangle, and where things were pointed, felt pretty apparent to me, especially as one of the triangle's progress often felt stagnant and even retrograde at times, while the other was almost always progressing forward, regardless of how much of a 'penalty' they started with. One of them clearly had more 'history' with the male lead, but that mattered little when she barely spent enough time with him, on or off panel/screen, compared to the other one.

 

[ItsThatBriGuy]

Not the first time they talk about "that part about him", I have some theories but I prefer to be sure. Someone could explain ?

There are specific incidents where it's more specific than this, but it's mostly about Kazu's capacity to understand and empathize with the girls around him so deeply and thoroughly -- but only to the point where that empathy and understanding might lead him to consider opening himself up romantically (or even entertain the idea that he might be someone someone else could see that way), while often giving the girl in question way too much hope for something more.

Whether he does this out of density/inexperience (which is undoubtedly the case at times in V1), low self-esteem (which will come into play at the end of V4), willful denial (nearly every public interaction with Yanami after V3) or some combination thereof is always a fun topic of conversation with no definitive solution in sight.

 

[loonacrunch]

Hmmmmm its pointy

 

[suica]

Yeah. Some really good stuff here. The biggest value I've noted in the manga is the shifting character styles (like those goofy chibis) and expressions, as well as these little glimpses at his middle school days showing there was a connection between him and Lemon, but he just refuses to acknowledge his middle school days at all, it seems.

Though, to be honest, I also appreciate the anime's consistency of character design. I just wish it had more of these glimpses back into his past that he clearly refuses to admit happened, and a bit more expressiveness overall. I'll still insist the opening moments of the anime were far better than the opening moments of the manga, though. The whole sequence with Anna (I suppose also the opening narrative about the very premise of the series, too) was just so much better done in the anime, it feels like. But the manga has had an opportunity to see what the anime has done and improve on it with a number of the chapters since then, too.


Nukumizu in general is so committed to seeing himself as a 'mob character' that only exists to fill in the background, when he really is the star and many characters are showing interest in him because they can tell he cares more than he lets on. That 'mob character' mentality causes him to downplay how strongly he feels for these characters. 'Not a big deal' my ass- you just didn't want to say the 'can't help but root for you' thing, because it breaks from that self-perception you are going to probably be struggling to break for most of the story.

And folks are saying he's gotta end up with Lemon, but, to be honest, he has these sorts of moments with all three of the girls we've met so far, though some of them are yet to come to pass. It's just he's got more (un-acknowledged) history with Lemon. I personally think, as someone who watched the anime, he has more of a connection with Anna, despite the history with Lemon. Especially the way he almost always interacts with Anna alongside whichever other character the arc is focusing on, so even if he's getting closer to Lemon, or later Chika, he's also getting closer to Anna in the process, generally.

Not saying I'd prefer him to end up with her, just noting much of the evidence I've witnessed feels like it leans heavily towards Anna, regardless of any middle-school history with Lemon. I don't generally 'ship' so much as acknowledge the leanings implied. Have similar experiences reading or watching other harem or pseudo-harem works. Like Nisekoi, especially after watching the anime and then moving on to the manga through about the first hundred chapters, the main love triangle, and where things were pointed, felt pretty apparent to me, especially as one of the triangle's progress often felt stagnant and even retrograde at times, while the other was almost always progressing forward, regardless of how much of a 'penalty' they started with. One of them clearly had more 'history' with the male lead, but that mattered little when she barely spent enough time with him, on or off panel/screen, compared to the other one.

Yeah, on a personal level (as in me the reader) I like Lemon more, but narratively it makes way more sense for Yanami to be the one Nukumizu ends up with. A version of the story where Lemon is the main girl would have to be structured differently to have the "will they/won't they" part of the romcom pay off in a satisfying way with her at the end.