Mangadex gets hit by DMCA - more than 25% of chapters gone | staff FAQ update

Dex-chan lover
Joined
Apr 19, 2023
Messages
496
mate, it's not the problem to catch text from page, it is a problem to make it coherent. like manga does not have usual structure prose has, with dialog lines being clearly separated, who speaks when easily understood and etc. instead you just get a lot of lines, some of which will only be partial, no clue who talk when and etc. again, in time and with proper resources you can teach model to read manga and make sense of it (most of the time) but why bother? just ocr text, put it into chatGPT, use some automated cleaner software (ask chatGPT to clean text bubbles), put 'translated' text in, ???, PROFIT! (and quality will be shit because why bother with quality when you can DMCA anyone and just push your shit?)
I think you underestimate how good chatgpt and gemini have gotten understanding context. If you load a whole chapter ocr script into chatgpt, you’ll get a translation that’s far better than you’ve described. A lot has happened with MTL and AI/LLMs the past couple of years.
 
Dex-chan lover
Joined
Dec 2, 2019
Messages
97
With how things going, i think we're months or like a year away from someone with a bit of brain and initial funds creating a site in a country that don't care about DCMA or other similar stuff (and a backup in some other country) that host and grabs all the manga, licensed or not, with decent site UI (that majority of sites lack, pirate and officials) and all the related things - forums, chatrooms, discord, that, instead of loading the site with ads, will ask like, idk, 5-10$ per month for unlimited access. Probably even working together with scanlators (with crypto around, no one will be able to track anything) to translate stuff.

What they gonna do? Block the site? We all know how well it's working with most people around the globe already having basic knowledge in how to use VPN, certain browsers extensions, or some other tools, in worst case scenarios. It's all about convenience.
 
Fed-Kun's army
Joined
Dec 4, 2020
Messages
87
Why not implement a solution like the one E-Hentai did with ExHentai a.k.a Sad Panda?
I mean, create a linked section through an alt domain only accessible to confirmed users through their activity/karma

Sankaku Complex did something similar, a restriction based on its users' behavior/activity and how old they accounts are

sankaku-complex-restricted.jpg
 
Dex-chan lover
Joined
Dec 2, 2019
Messages
97
:worry:
You're aware that many cryptocurrencies record every single transaction in what amounts to a public ledger, right? Cryptocurrency may, in and of itself, be anonymous, but it's certainly not untraceable.
No one going to do something like to trace down a group of scanlators, specifically because they need people to think it's "untraceable".
 
Supporter
Joined
Apr 26, 2020
Messages
4,702
No one going to do something like to trace down a group of scanlators, specifically because they need people to think it's "untraceable".
There are people who spend impossible amounts of time doing all kinds of dumb shit for grins, and I wouldn't put it past someone to do this. And I wouldn't put it past a law enforcement agency somewhere deciding to sink their teeth into this because some agent gets a hard-on for chasing it. Not saying either is likely, but certainly not outside the realm of possibility - stranger things have happened. (See Clifford Stoll's The Cuckoo's Egg for a prime example.)

Also, who is the 'they' that need people to think cryptocurrency is untraceable in your statement?
 
Dex-chan lover
Joined
Jul 23, 2018
Messages
494
No one going to do something like to trace down a group of scanlators, specifically because they need people to think it's "untraceable".
mate, US law enforcement knows russian scammers using crypto by their full names the reasons they could not do shit though are very different from "oh god they using crypto it's untraceable!"

and here also the other thing, piracy escalates? methods to combat it will too. russia, funnily enough, is on the cutting edge of filtrating traffic on the internet, RN there is ways to combat it, they are relatively simple for now, but system analysing traffic through deep packet inspection gets more able with each passing month. VPNs get swatted like flies, for now it's only small ones what did not have any contacts in russia going. heck, even some bigger ones, like browsec and wireshark have been blocked completely. next phase will be blocking entire vpn protocols.

so yeah, if there will be an incentive - everything on the internet can be nuked and or blocked, RN it's just not worth the cost
 
Dex-chan lover
Joined
Jun 25, 2020
Messages
2,332
Fed-Kun's army
Joined
Oct 21, 2018
Messages
52
Talk about a stretch, not even Mister Fatastic can stretch that far.

"Underage porn" :pepela:
You jumped so hard to clutch on the definition of "underage porn" to give yourself good conscience, that you're just going to ignore that I'm purely talking about how it works for the "official" side of things. Copyright holders don't give a shit about your argument or that it's not real humans, they just want to shut down the redistribution of their intellectual property. If there is a law that they can interpret in some way + some connections with law enforcement, they will use it.
 
Contributor
Joined
Mar 10, 2018
Messages
3,816
https://forums.mangadex.org/threads/banning-the-upload-of-infant-abuse.1980882/page-3#post-23821671
I won't say mangadex got targeted because of this, but I will say it contributed to make the website too high profile. Hosting underage porn could become the next attack vector to swarm the admins with more legal clusterfuck.
Don't be ridiculous, it have anything to do with the DMCA, the target aren't these niche hentai but the regular titles, 100% of removals were not hentai related.
Is clear that you personally do not like hentai, understandable, just use the option to hide genres or the whole 18+ stuff, censoring stuff for everyone is not the way to go.
 
Last edited:
Dex-chan lover
Joined
Jun 25, 2020
Messages
2,332
You jumped so hard to clutch on the definition of "underage porn" to give yourself good conscience, that you're just going to ignore that I'm purely talking about how it works for the "official" side of things. Copyright holders don't give a shit about your argument or that it's not real humans, they just want to shut down the redistribution of their intellectual property. If there is a law that they can interpret in some way + some connections with law enforcement, they will use it.
Good job completely missing the point and pulling assumptions out of your ass

1 - I was calling a stretch that you used that hentai as reason for mangadex to become high profile, it's utterly irrelevant

2 - I was laughing at you for calling it underage porn

3 - why wouldn't I have a good conscience? They're fucking drawings, if you can't separate fiction from reality then go get professional help to treat your schizophrenia
 
Dex-chan lover
Joined
Jun 25, 2020
Messages
2,332
If hentai bother you so much, just hide them in the settings, but i guess you want them removed for everyone cause you personally do not like them, oh, and moreover, ficional characters and drawings do not have human rights in 95% of the countries so they will never are a legal issue.
People who dislike loli, shota and so on just can't help but get triggered by it, if they really cared about children they would go help real children, but that takes actual work and effort, it's just easier to whine about hentai and pat themselves in the back for being morally superior
 
Dex-chan lover
Joined
Jul 23, 2018
Messages
494
Talk about a stretch, not even Mister Fatastic can stretch that far.

"Underage porn" :pepela:
ok, In russia it is. by law. period. have images of lolis doing questionable thing - hoarder of CP, get to prison!

(and honestly with current admin in USA it can be treated the same way by legislature in future where too, and suddenly half the internet must comply)
 
Dex-chan lover
Joined
Jun 25, 2020
Messages
2,332
ok, In russia it is. by law. period. have images of lolis doing questionable thing - hoarder of CP, get to prison!
To be fair russia has a lot of stupid and absurd laws lol
(and honestly with current admin in USA it can be treated the same way by legislature in future where too, and suddenly half the internet must comply)
I honestly have my doubts about US laws changing, many tried making it illegal one way or another but failed for basically due to freedom of speech and expression
 
Contributor
Joined
Mar 10, 2018
Messages
3,816
People who dislike loli, shota and so on just can't help but get triggered by it, if they really cared about children they would go help real children, but that takes actual work and effort, it's just easier to whine about hentai and pat themselves in the back for being morally superior

Is sad that they use the DMCA as excuse to attack what they do not like even if they have the option to hide such content, these people want to enforce their view to everyone and ban what that they do not like for all. Is sad to read such thing here on a manga community, expecially on mangadex that is the most complete "aggregator" with every genre covered.
 
Last edited:
Contributor
Joined
Mar 10, 2018
Messages
3,816
ok, In russia it is. by law. period. have images of lolis doing questionable thing - hoarder of CP, get to prison!

(and honestly with current admin in USA it can be treated the same way by legislature in future where too, and suddenly half the internet must comply)
I do not think is your business what MD admins allow or not, they are aware and give you the option to hide hentai and you complain anyway because in the end you want a ban for everyone because you have a grudge against a certain subgenre. DMCA is just an excuse. If you have issues in your country then enable the optiona and you are fine. Russia or whatever is not the whole world and in majority of the countries drawings do not have human rights, is a trivial thing.
 
Last edited:
Dex-chan lover
Joined
Jun 25, 2020
Messages
2,332
Is sad that they use the DMCA as excuse to attacj ehat they do not like even if they have the option to hide such content, these people want to enforce their view to everyone and ban what that they do not like for all. Is sad to reas such thing here on a manga community, expecially on mangadex that is the most complete "aggregator" with every genre covered.
Yuuuup, I understand disliking the genre, honestly, it's perfectly understandable and I can't argue on that, but avoiding it isn't enough, they want it gone out of principle.

They remind me of people who wants gay content removed because of the children, or that violent videogames are bad, all they have is appeal to emotion, no actual arguments or facts
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Top