Akuyaku Reijou no Oyome-sama - Ch. 4

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. . . there was probably also an element of getting the attention of the potential audience, with some hot nekkid ladies "sparring" in the bedroom - notice that subsequent chapters haven't continued that, either . . .
Oh absolutely. It was a very strong hook that got yuri social media aware of it. I was ready to write a blank check myself.

But as you so aptly put it, it also leads well into one of the current central conflicts, the culture clash. Reshutoka stating that Karina was so docile she'd have to make sure she doesn't kill her shows some insight into Reshutoka's thoughts. "This adorable creature can barely bite. How will she possibly defend herself? I must be gentle and protect her at all costs."

I get that some people would be skeeved out by the non con in the early chapters but the story shows that Karina didn't like it/it's not a good thing. "That's not something you do to someone you love". Not to mention this is a story about 2 very flawed characters. We pity Karina more because we have her pov, but at the end of the day she wants to use an entire tribe for revenge. She's still got changing to do too.
 
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"but not with any conscious intent to deprive Karina of a choice in the matter."
"I expect the bits of the process that got skipped are the ones where Karina could have said no"
Doesnt really add up unless she really is the mask and is just as clueless as she sometimes pretends she is.

civilised Karina who reacted to the situation mostly with discussion and negotiation, and the uncivilised Reshutoka who used (and expected in response) a far more physical kind of communication.
Fwiw, karina did also reject her physically, by shoving her away to get some distance, but Reshutoka ignored that and pounced on her again, almost as if she wasnt gonna let karina have a choice in the first place

. . . there was probably also an element of getting the attention of the potential audience, with some hot nekkid ladies "sparring" in the bedroom - notice that subsequent chapters haven't continued that, either . . .
This i think is the most likely explanation, show some kidnapping and SA at the start to batit people in. Ive seen lots of manga exaggerate their first chapter to get readers but i feel it often kinda negatively impacts the story later on, as the manga either work overtime to try and retcon their first chapters or just ignore it completely, and i hope neither is the case here and there are proper consequences for what happened.
(As of now its looking like karina has already fallen for her and is willing to ignore the whole thing but well see)
 
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Thanks for the chapter!
I see that there's a huge amount of discussion about the story book.
My first thought was it was the extremely overused trope of 'Your life is actually a story in a book!'.
It felt like an attempt to keep the story in the mainstream.

Dunno bout that. It read to me like a few coincidence's loosely aligned with Reshtoka's favorite book. It's got her convinced Karina's the princess of her dreams and is now going out of her way to match the other parts that haven't happened yet. Not realizing that is actually pushing Karina further away emotionally as Reshtoka's now coming off as not genuine.
 
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Fwiw, karina did also reject her physically, by shoving her away to get some distance, but Reshutoka ignored that and pounced on her again, almost as if she wasnt gonna let karina have a choice in the first place
I don't think that really registered with Reshutoka, though - her physical strength is on a totally different level, and while she clearly knows that I get the feeling that the implications didn't really register in that moment, because she was totally caught up in the whole "marriage ceremonies" thing. Though it /did/ register at least somewhat - she was aware that she had to be fairly gentle because of it . . . but the question is whether she was able to think anything along the lines of "for all her pride and courage, she can't just punch my lights out if I do something she doesn't like", and adjust her behaviour accordingly.

But the thing I keep coming back to in my head is the way Reshutoka seems so very taken by the idea that this is some kind of fateful encounter - sure, that's not such a weird thing in a kind of generic sense, but in the context of the world-building we've seen so far it feels childish and naive. That makes me seriously question how old she is - it's almost like she's got a bit of a chuunibyou thing going on, underneath the strong cool responsible older sister type of persona she presents most of the time.

If my reading of that is at least roughly correct it may be best to think of her more as a teenager than an adult, with all that implies about her judgement and self control. And it definitely supports the idea that she's been totally carried away by her fantasies, from that first night right up to the hints that she's building a magical log cabin for her love . . .

That also makes me wonder about how old Karina is - from the backstory I'm tempted to say she can't be more than very early twenties, and possibly younger, but there's no useful hints to her age aside from the broader context. She's definitely being presented as someone who had to grow up very early, though how much that translates to actual emotional maturity as opposed to just being hardened and deadened by trauma we'll need to wait and see. In fact, this contrast between Karina and Reshutoka is probably where most of their character development will come from.
We pity Karina more because we have her pov, but at the end of the day she wants to use an entire tribe for revenge. She's still got changing to do too.
This is also a key point, I think. And there's a nice juxtaposition between my assessment of Aurora's chances with the wolves (bugger all) and my assessment of Karina's (probably not much better when it comes to getting revenge) - Aurora's persona is one that goes against most of the values of the wolf tribe culture, whereas Karina's hits most of them on the head without even trying. But I think Karina will find that they're not the kind of people that can be used for petty personal vengeance - they value strength, both of body and mind, and they see independence and personal courage as signs of that strength. Karina would need to somehow convince all of them, separately, of the need to fight for her cause, and there's really no way that's happening without some seriously large upheaval. The process of understanding that (and learning from it?) is probably going to be at the heart of the rest of Karina's character development.
 
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. . . or, of course, we're all just reading waaaay too much into everything, and we should just sit back and hope for some more nekkid ladies . . .
 
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. . . or, of course, we're all just reading waaaay too much into everything, and we should just sit back and hope for some more nekkid ladies . . .
Art is always about what the creator and yourself bring to the table. Not engaging critically with this I feel does it a disservice.
 
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Art is always about what the creator and yourself bring to the table. Not engaging critically with this I feel does it a disservice
Hoping for more nekkid ladies is never a disservice to art!

But yes, engaging deeply with the art you choose to experience is one of the most human things you can do, and one of the greatest compliments you can give any artist - even if they may wonder sometimes what drugs you're on...
 
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But I think Karina will find that they're not the kind of people that can be used for petty personal vengeance - they value strength, both of body and mind, and they see independence and personal courage as signs of that strength.
Did i miss a chapter or something? At best i can gauge that maybe Reshutoka holds these values and even then, she doesnt seem to value independence all that much, seeing as shes willing to rob karina of hers without a second thought.

Im personally in the camp that shes much more aware of what shes doing than she lets on and is putting on this facade to get away with it easier and to lower karinas guard(much harder to think about manipulating her if she shows her shrewd tendencies more often)

(Little sidenote to confirm that i am aware that karina is also not exactly being a good person here, im just focusing on Reshutoka, since while karina is being emotionally manipulative, she is doing that and also the whole sa + taking her freedom deal)
 
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I do think Reshutoka looked at Karina to fulfill a role but I am really curious as to why. Why is Reshutoka interested in human women and not just regular beastwomen? Is there a reason she was drawn to the images in the book?
Why do some freaks ask for feet pictures on the internet? Reshutoka has a human girl fetish and it awakened with that book. NEXT.
 
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Man, some of y'all are getting real deep into analyzing the story, which I can respect, but at the same time sometimes things are not all that complicated. It's it possible that Reshutoka is playing some 4d mind chess, but I don't think it is that deep or complicated. My guess is that while she may have seen that first meeting as "fateful", I think her further actions lining up with the story are not her thinking that Karina is "her princess" from the book so much as that book being the best "source" for how to treat a human who is clearly boy a commoner. She seems to only have a minimal knowledge of human culture and I imagine that what she has learned from the traders is limited and likley didn't include much about Noble's. Hell for all we know Reshutoka doesn't really know what a "noble" is in human terms so she defaults to the idea of the princess as that is what she knows. So when she is trying to accommodate Karina she is learning on the book since she is aware enough of a cultural gap to know she doesn't know much.

I think the above combined with wanting to have a more spicy hook is what the first chapter did what it did. What I am interested in seeing is how would courtship work in the wolf culture. Assuming their usual thing involves some sort of "fight" for dominance as part of courting I can see why Reshutoka went the route she did and may have seen Karina's resistance as something like"playing hard to get", especially if such a thing is normal in their culture. Combine that with her limited knowledge of human culture, her potentially being younger (mid to late teens), and her being inexperienced in courting I can see how she may have crossed some lines without any ill intent.

Didn't mean to essay like this, but such is life when my brain meds are going strong. XD Anyway I also probably am looking too deeply into it, but there being enough "meat" to go deep into speculation is a good thing imo.

Looking forward to the rest of the story. My money is on Reshutoka slowly realizing that how she is going about this is too shallow, different than what humans do, or generally just not what works for Karina. For Karina I think she will begin to realise that, while the start was shallow, Reshutoka really does care for her and is genuine in her attempts to court Karina and that she is simply using the book as a reference because that is what she knows. In the end I see the two of them slowly working and finding love somewhere in the middle. I also give even odds between Karina giving up on revenge to live a happy and peaceful life or the tribe "going to war" to protect the new "princess" they all come to care for. Either way could be done in an interesting manner and I can't wait to see how wrong our right I might be.
 
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Yeah pretty much what saphirekosmos said. We're in chapter 4, y'all, with no idea where the author is going with this.

The only bit I'm sure about so far is that at some point, we'll get Reshutoka asking why Karina hasn't bitten her back. Like it's the ceremony of marking your claimed mate or something
 
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Man, some of y'all are getting real deep into analyzing the story, which I can respect, but at the same time sometimes things are not all that complicated.
Nah, if anything they're not going deep enough.

Yeah pretty much what saphirekosmos said. We're in chapter 4, y'all, with no idea where the author is going with this.
All the more reason for the discussions then. Story could end in the next chapter, and there could still be plenty to discuss.
 
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Did i miss a chapter or something? At best i can gauge that maybe Reshutoka holds these values and even then, she doesnt seem to value independence all that much, seeing as shes willing to rob karina of hers without a second thought.
The exact way I phrased that was somewhat poetic (sue me!), but the thinking behind it is based on a bunch of relatively small things that all add up (in my mind at least) to a reasonable picture. Some of it is explicit, things I could go into detail about (if I had the time and energy); some of it is more like picking up on the way the author is invoking tropes - some storytelling tropes, but also broader cultural tropes. And some of it is just what my gut is saying about a bunch of small bits and pieces that get picked up mostly subconsciously, and which can be hard to pin down in detail . . .

Not the most satisfying line of argument, I know, but it's what I've got . . .
Im personally in the camp that shes much more aware of what shes doing than she lets on and is putting on this facade to get away with it easier and to lower karinas guard(much harder to think about manipulating her if she shows her shrewd tendencies more often)
Maybe, but . . .

A lot of what makes me question this reading is stuff that she's done for Karina, but which doesn't really hit the right note. Stuff like the blue furniture - it's a grand romantic gesture, for someone who already knows the fairy tale (or some alternative telling of the same basic story), and who's already emotionally invested in it. Problem is, Karina hadn't seen the story at all until that day . . . That doesn't speak of a mastermind in a mask playing mind games with someone, it speaks of someone who's slightly too obsessive about this fairy tale, and doesn't have the best judgement about how a stranger might react to that obsession. The same is true of the way she treated Karina on the first night - she was all-in on consummating the marriage, blithely skipping past a bunch of important stuff because she was convinced it was fated, and not really listening to what Karina was saying for the same reason. She backed off a little from that, giving Karina some more space and looking for ways to help her settle in, but the slightly unhealthy focus on the fairy tale is still there and still throwing Karina off.

I don't doubt that there's a lot more to Reshutoka than her Thing(tm) about that fairy tale - she's very clearly a respected and well-liked member of the village, and she wouldn't have gotten to that position if she was overtly childish and irrational on a regular basis. But at the same time, is she really hiding sneaky and manipulative thinking behind this facade of being just wrong enough in how she handles Karina to make her feel a bit off? Because that's . . . frankly, it's just a really weird way to go about things.
(Little sidenote to confirm that i am aware that karina is also not exactly being a good person here, im just focusing on Reshutoka, since while karina is being emotionally manipulative, she is doing that and also the whole sa + taking her freedom deal)
Ironically, Karina isn't being emotionally manipulative at the moment - she plans to, when she gets to the point she tries to make her move, but right now the most you could say is that she's reserving judgement and choosing not to walk away (or try to). She hasn't been entirely open with Reshutoka, but she definitely hasn't lied or distorted the truth or anything like that. As with Reshutoka I don't doubt that there's more to come, and when it does it may well justify the villainess tag, but her actual behaviour right now just isn't setting off any of those flags.
 

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