Kouchuugun Shikan Boukensha ni Naru - Ch. 55.2

[MadScientist666]

god emperor? like the monarchies of old?

Nah, more like in the grimdark future!

 

[Aichan]

Maybe the Goddess Luminous was originally a member of the star empire who fell there thousands of years earlier. And the reason why Starveek got the decree was because Starveek was her descendants. Maybe that's why she resembled Cleria, since she is Cleria's ancestor.

 

[Pyras]

Religious War, lessssgooooo.
Start a new Religion, the true one, the REAL one, rally the cause. The old way is corrupted. The goddess stands with the Holy Empire of Starveek.
Launch the Crusade. The priests will baptize the new ships being built to carry forward the holy warriors. Burn em heretics !!

 

[Wolvenworks]

Alan was never OP when it came to anyone from his tech level, though.
Selena and Sharon constantly one-upped him long before the hiatus point, to show that even vat-grown and flash-trained clones are better than Alan. Alan straight up says that he's never won a single sparring match against either sister. And even his advantage in being able to better visualize concepts to direct magic is undercut by the twins just using hypno-training to get the same effect.

Yes but they’re still significantly better than the locals, and can still easily handle issues that arise.

And then suddenly we have General McSkullface show up as MT and fucking tanking stuff like he’s WoL.

 

[Abricomas]

Yes but they’re still significantly better than the locals, and can still easily handle issues that arise.

And then suddenly we have General McSkullface show up as MT and fucking tanking stuff like he’s WoL.

Yeah, because he has an artifact, which were already said to be near-peer or better than Imperial technology.
The communication artifacts are equivalent to the quantum entanglement comm systems that the Empire uses, and the coins that the continent uses are made by fabricator artifacts that the ship's own fabricators can't replicate.

 

[Vengeance22]

Alois just 'escaped' like that eh somewhat disappointing

Did you actually rerad the chapter properly? It says clearly that the person in question is his son, not him...

 

[Salfaro]

So he come from a advance star trek like society and his solution is kill them all....

Truly stupid, and not the fun kind.

Legit, what do you expect him to do to unite the continent, by using his space tech? In order to peacefully resolve the scenario, he has to choose from:

A) Convince the southern faction to surrender (this is a political thing, not a science thing, his tech gives no benefit here)
B) Convince the south that the doc isn't a forgery (he could use carbon dating or something, but there's no reason to believe the southern faction would believe this, when it's a tech they were introduced to specifically to prove them wrong)
C) Forego convincing, and take them over by force using his space tech power

He's choosing C, which is the only one of those that would actually work in his favor. I don't know how you expect star trek tech to help him out in a way that isn't exerting military force on them.

 

[HuevoPodrido]

Oh, a God Emperor in the making. Is this Warhammer40K?

 

[Abricomas]

Legit, what do you expect him to do to unite the continent, by using his space tech? In order to peacefully resolve the scenario, he has to choose from:

A) Convince the southern faction to surrender (this is a political thing, not a science thing, his tech gives no benefit here)
B) Convince the south that the doc isn't a forgery (he could use carbon dating or something, but there's no reason to believe the southern faction would believe this, when it's a tech they were introduced to specifically to prove them wrong)
C) Forego convincing, and take them over by force using his space tech power

He's choosing C, which is the only one of those that would actually work in his favor. I don't know how you expect star trek tech to help him out in a way that isn't exerting military force on them.

Just for the sake of completeness, let's list some other options.

D) I could see using mercantilism and consumer products (like the hair dryer and alcohol distillery he already pulled from the ship's databanks) to try for an economic victory, but that depends on there being a state of peaceful trade between the nations of the continent. But since the continent has already been divided into hostile factions that are in a state of war, that's not going to work.

E) Try to turtle up, creating a DMZ enforced by orbital surveillance and drone strikes, to stay safe while developing the Starveek Kingdom's industrial and technological base, and human capital. The idea being that as the other states slip further and further behind in standards of living and prosperity, they will eventually give up their independence willingly to gain the benefits of Starveek's greater technological base. While some villages and towns might do this, I think it's unlikely to work for a majority of the surrounding states, and the Starveek Kingdom will need to annex Alois via force anyway. Just basing this on how empires have worked in the past IRL.

F) A variation of D, go Full British East India Company. Offer local lords positions within the Starvine Trade Company, full taxation rights and control over their local regions that they controlled under the Alois Kingdom, and the ability to call upon the STC's military forces to protect them from their former liege and neighbors in Alois, and in return, they work for the Company and the Crown. I think it would be interesting, though to make it work Alan would probably have to be as comically evil as the real British East India Company, and it still comes up against the issue of keeping up the will and determination to fight the Bugs over centuries that Selena was worrying about.

We still come back to C, unifying the continent under a Luminus Church that is controlled by Alan and Iris, as being the most straightforward solution that addresses both the short-term and long-term goals. If you think back to Chapter 37, Alan already took advantage of religion by have a drone act as the Apostle Isaac to convince the bishop to support him, and the Goddess called him out for using science to create religious "miracles" (though she was saying it in the context of science and religion essentially being for the same purpose, of actualizing the metaphysical into the physical), and then again in Chapter 44 Alan used the drone to meddle in the archbishop election, getting the bishop who supported him a promotion.

 

[eng1]

That is called MC aura.

Maybe it's just me, but Cleria feels like a weak leader. She doesn't feel ready for what's currently going, let alone what's to come. I sense no co-rulership ahead. Maybe it's best she remains in the dark about what's really going on as Sharon suggested. She'd just be overwhelmed.
I doubt this is going to happen here, but in a different story she'd just become a forgotten/puppet queen as Alan creates his little imperium for the greater good.

The proper term is figurehead. She doesn't need to be strong and kindess actually helps because the true ruling will be done by AI behind the scenes with Allan enforcing it.

 

[Hoezell]

Focus on the bugs Alan, focus on the bugs

 

[Abricomas]

mc, just use nanoms, to synthesize some sickness, use the drones to distribute it and then, go "saint mode" deactivating the nanoms (curing) said sickness

Sure, but how are you going to get the people you infect to eat the special alloys needed to construct the nanoms? Alan needed to get Cleria to eat a few pills to allow the hive inside her to grow.
If you’re going to infect a water source, that’s going to take a lot of nanoms (Alan’s blood) and starship alloy.

 

[kaminomikan]

Sure, but how are you going to get the people you infect to eat the special alloys needed to construct the nanoms? Alan needed to get Cleria to eat a few pills to allow the hive inside her to grow.
If you’re going to infect a water source, that’s going to take a lot of nanoms (Alan’s blood) and starship alloy.

plot magic, not the first time author pull some bs to advance the story.
so let's say:

• via air dispersion, insert the first ones and get them to replicate from there.
• special alloy, can be made already, the city has the machinery to do it, and (cleria and mc needed to take the pills because it was an emergency situation no time to wait for the nanoms to grow slowly)
• alan blood wasn't needed, it was the only way to share the nanom at that moment, again, the city already has machinery for things, and time, they have at least a few months, which wasn't the case with cleria the first time, which needed a new arm and leg.

 

[Abricomas]

plot magic, not the first time author pull some bs to advance the story.
so let's say:

• via air dispersion, insert the first ones and get them to replicate from there.
• special alloy, can be made already, the city has the machinery to do it, and (cleria and mc needed to take the pills because it was an emergency situation no time to wait for the nanoms to grow slowly)
• alan blood wasn't needed, it was the only way to share the nanom at that moment, again, the city already has machinery for things, and time, they have at least a few months, which wasn't the case with cleria the first time, which needed a new arm and leg.

You’re making assumptions about facts that are not in evidence.
You’re just creating plot holes and making a worse story just to push forward something you think is better, rather than working within the setting.
If you’re going to complain about what the author is doing, don’t suggest something that is blatantly worse.

 

[kaminomikan]

You’re making assumptions about facts that are not in evidence.
You’re just creating plot holes and making a worse story just to push forward something you think is better, rather than working within the setting.
If you’re going to complain about what the author is doing, don’t suggest something that is blatantly worse.

you say it is worse, but that's just your opinion, the only thing that I suggested that could be called an assumption is the air dispersion, everything else is already in the story, machinery, how the nanoms works, etc.

 

[Abricomas]

you say it is worse, but that's just your opinion, the only thing that I suggested that could be called an assumption is the air dispersion, everything else is already in the story, machinery, how the nanoms works, etc.

Even if you are able to process the rare metals needed for the nanoms, how will you get the population to ingest it? Alan stated that without taking in the metals then the nanoms can’t be maintained.
Chapter 1, Page 19.

 

[kaminomikan]

Even if you are able to process the rare metals needed for the nanoms, how will you get the population to ingest it? Alan stated that without taking in the metals then the nanoms can’t be maintained.
Chapter 1, Page 19.

as easy as dropping it in the village's well. And the nanoms aren't required to be maintained for long, just enough to cause some kind of deficiency, so mc can come and play saint.

any other trouble your mind can't solve?

 

[Abricomas]

as easy as dropping it in the village's well. And the nanoms aren't required to be maintained for long, just enough to cause some kind of deficiency, so mc can come and play saint.

any other trouble your mind can't solve?

Why is this even necessary when the Apostle Isaac (the drone) can be made to appear at Alan’s command to show his connection to the Goddess Luminous?
Sure, curing a sickness can get the peasantry to support Alan and his faction of the Church, but how high is the death toll going to be with the disease? The amount of gratitude is going to be proportional to the threat that the people feel from the disease; if there aren’t entire towns and counties being wiped out, I don’t think that the saint idea will be any better than having the drone show up a couple times and follow what Alan tells it to do.

Having the Apostle as his ‘Guardian Angel’ in front of people would likely have a bigger impact among the faithful than just curing a disease that could be chalked up to healing magic.

And taking control of the Church is only half of the problem; the secular authorities still have to be subjugated, so that’s still fighting against the Southern Nobles’ Alliance.
That would be a better target for a nano-plague, to reinforce the idea that the Goddess supports the Holy Starvine Empire while reducing casualties among the Royal forces. But having the Southern forces survive may not be in the best interests of the Empire in the long run, as King Alois said that the policy of reconciliation and mutual respect by the old King Starvine only led to the Alois Nobles Rebellion.