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No, you people secretly despise yourselves as well as everyone else, because you are miserable and love making others follow suit.
Please don't spell out your fantasies in random discussion threads.
Onii-chan wa Oshimai! - Vol. 9 Ch. 81.8 - Non-Mahiro Special: Aoi-chan Edition
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Or maybe I love Onimai and I didn't want AI slop to be the only alternative for those chapters (more to come BTW) and had the power to do something about it. How about that?
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Looking forward to them!
Stop ignoring the second part of the reply, they go together. Being bothered by trap are real world issues that don't belong in the manga escapist world that was established as you noted around 20 years ago. It's not reaching, it's around the time Lucky Star came out which is what defined modern weeb lingo in the western world.
Sadly, you can't separate the real world from fiction because, surprise!!!!!!!! you live in the real world.
And even outside of that, the video I mentions in the original comment was made specifically because people kept calling Lily Hoshikawa from Zombieland saga a trap after season 1 episode 8 confirmed that she is a transgender girl. People misgendering a fictional character using a transphobic slur, many such cases.
So yeah, these issues do belong in the "manga escapist world" and asking you to stop using a slur to refer to characters in order to make the transgender people who are trying to partake in that "escapist world" more comfortable is perfectly reasonable.
For the first half of the season 1 I was constantly posting Lily on /u/ until it was revealed who she was and was banned from being posted and got me banned as well, so she indeed trapped me. Sorry to say, no, even with trasgender characters, trap is the accurate word to use here.
Trap is only a word that is offensive in the real world.
Will never be offensive in the manga world even if you refer to the actual occasional trans that actually shows up in anime media.
And the whole point of reading manga is escaping the real world, I don't want to be reminded I live in it and anything about what happens in it anyway, leave us alone (not in the sense to leave, I know you won't leave, in the sense that stop trying to force it as something offensive here, it'll never be).
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You can't really decide something "isn't offensive" if numerous members of a group are telling you that it offends their shared sensibilities. That's not even a debate of values, that's just literally the definition of "offensive". All something needs to be offensive is to, well, offend.
What you really mean is you don't care about the feelings of the group claiming offense. Or that you don't think they have (or deserve to have) enough cultural cache to be allowed to put forward their concerns or interests in the public square. Whether that's true or not, it's not going to stop us from trying. Which is why this discussion is going to happen each and every time a scanlator puts out a chapter that using that word.
That may be frustrating to you, but so long as none of us are breaking the forum's rules there's not much you can stop us from going "OW!" every time the LGBT community's toes are stepped on (if just to inform the scanlation group, who may not have even known). And no amount of attempted gaslighting about how they're not actually being stepped on is going to convince us to stop. We very much are going to have to get used to each other's presence, yes.
What you really mean is you don't care about the feelings of the group claiming offense. Or that you don't think they have (or deserve to have) enough cultural cache to be allowed to put forward their concerns or interests in the public square. Whether that's true or not, it's not going to stop us from trying. Which is why this discussion is going to happen each and every time a scanlator puts out a chapter that using that word.
That may be frustrating to you, but so long as none of us are breaking the forum's rules there's not much you can stop us from going "OW!" every time the LGBT community's toes are stepped on (if just to inform the scanlation group, who may not have even known). And no amount of attempted gaslighting about how they're not actually being stepped on is going to convince us to stop. We very much are going to have to get used to each other's presence, yes.
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I have no idea what you actually mean without further context, but if you were posting about Lily being a girl and then got banned then you didn't get "trapped" by Lily, the mods were just being transphobic because Lily is a girl. To deny that and say that you fell into some trap by thinking she was a girl when she's actually not is transphobic because it claims that trans girls aren't girls which is a false statement.
Then why are you talking on a public forum with other human beings? Newsflash, you are currently interacting with the real world by engaging with real people. If you really want to escape from it then stop commenting and reading these comments.
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"Oh boy, this chapter has a bunch of pages of discussion I bet something crazy happens in it!"
"Huh...it just seems pretty normal, let's see what people are talking about"
"Oh"
"Huh...it just seems pretty normal, let's see what people are talking about"
"Oh"
Here is the context, if you really want to fight take the fight to the mods over there, not here:
https://archiveofsins.com/u/thread/2735847/#2755867
Every single quote in this post are my posts except the spoiler one.
I wouldn't need to comment and read if you didn't take the fight of the real world into the translations of a manga by changing the word that we were using before you arrived with another word, since apparently the word we were using is offensive in the real world. The manga world, so the manga itself, should be free of those burdens, if there is no covid in the manga world, nothing else should leak in.
I mean, yeah, they were just being transphobic. Lily is a girl so none of the quoted posts involved men. You didn't get "trapped" by her, you got banned because the mods were transphobic.
It is genuinely amusing seeing how you try to twist yourself but at some point it becomes a bit tiring to just repeat myself. You just don't understand how words work is the problem here and sadly I can't fix that over a message board.
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Not to mention I guess Nekotoufu also "arrived with another word" because the TL used the exact same one as the original Japanese lines.
Leaving the japanese term instead of using the english one we've always been using breaks immersion, when reading you aren't supposed to become aware the characters aren't actually speaking the language you're reading. That's why the terms in English were invented in the first place.
1. No, that's not why "trap" was invented. It was born as a homo- and transphobic joke about how people were "tricked" into liking men because those men looked like girls. It then evolved as a way of describing these "men" who look like girls (including trans women, both irl and online), which then lead it to become a somewhat common way of translating otokonoko, especially among weebs steeped in 4chan meme culture where the term originates from. Though it was never the only translation for it, mind you.
2. That's not how translation works. It's purpose is to convey the meaning of a text in the target language, whether it's done through extensive localisation or a large use of loanwords that may or may not be explained depends on context.
And the thing is, English has throughout history been quite happy to take loanwords when it hasn't been able to find an accurate native term whether it's from German, Latin, Greek, French, Spannish, Italian, even non-weeb Japanese like tsunami.
