Kusunoki-san wa Koukou Debut ni Shippai Shite Iru - Ch. 47 - I don't want to be just a friend. I want her to see me as a man

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If she dropped the whole dark chunni act and just be herself, she’d easily be better than Kusonoki. Shes pretty straight forward (to be bad person), if she wasn't really messed up, she’d probably be a better girlfriend for him
 
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Kusunoki is blowing her main girl lead with these antics. If Hebikawa is able to cast some doubt on who Shizuki is going to pursue we've got a decent development. High School debut girl vs reformed mean girl. Hell give Otobe a fighting chance as well. It will add a little more spice to the story than the end couple being so obviously telegraphed from the start, just going through the motions.
Are you saying the author should pull a Kuroiwa Medaka is impervious to my charms out of this story?

Imagine having such garbage tastes that it makes others hostile
Hold on, don't go all Reddit on me now. Let me take shelter first.
 
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Honestly, this is funny. Shes obviously a bitch, and he knows shes kinda a bitch. But Kusunoki is fumbling so badly that he's at the point where he is willing to hang out with her after realizing he's being avoided constantly.

Like, imagine if your friend asked a girl out and she says no 4x with a different excuse, and the 5th time he uses something you know she'd say yes to, but she adds another person. You would 100% tell your boy shes not interested and to give up.
Absolutely, she's intentionally making herself unavailable and inviting a third person is basically a non-verbal "no" to a romantic relationship.

Keeping this in mind, it makes more sense that MC agreed to a date with Hebikawa, even though he's still a pushover.

I hope Hebikawa gets a chance to see how being a cynical, manipulative prick doesn't make her life or the life of anyone around her better and slowly begin to change.
 
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I wonder if the author ever anticipated just how much people would end up liking Snek girl and how popular she would become. It’s clear Hebikawa was never meant to be purely evil from the start (which is a refreshing change compared to more generic manga), but something tells me her level of popularity might have taken the creator by surprise.
 
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I think the funniest part of this whole ordeal is hebikawa has this magical power to make people forget everything that happens in the chapter that doesnt involve her. Like last chapter no one was really talking about kusonoki getting sick and more so focused on hebi trying to invite keisuke on a date even tho hebi wasnt even the main focus of that chapter. similar to this chapter where the main focal point is the discussion around hebi even tho kusonoki is going through her own crisis. Really shows how much of an effect the snek has on the story.
 
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why is kusunoki avoiding him again? is it because otobe likes him?
Yes but its also because in the past pushy douchbag boys dumped their girlfriends thinking they had a shot at her. And her shitty friends back then staryed spreading rumors she is a filthy homewrecker.

Now she has an instinctual aversion to boys and anything vaguely romantic with them. That includes her own feelings. Also her being highly intelligent and picking up on MC likely feeling some way, even though he's proven to be different than past experiences
 
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I wonder if the author ever anticipated just how much people would end up liking Snek girl and how popular she would become. It’s clear Hebikawa was never meant to be purely evil from the start (which is a refreshing change compared to more generic manga), but something tells me her level of popularity might have taken the creator by surprise.
there was a twitter poll put out a couple chapters' worth of time ago by the author on "best girl", and Hebikawa got #1, Otobe got #2, and Kusunoki got #3 - and the author expressed surprise at that result.
so yes, I think they were surprised. But I'm surprised that they didn't see it coming, when Hebikawa--even as the "villain" of this story--is the only reason it's not just another generic rom-com.
Usually her "role" is filled by a short-term playboy douchebag character who comes in, tries to woo the heroine, and the main male character has to either thwart those efforts or stumble into some sort of solution to keep the heroine from being "taken".

Instead, we have a female antagonist character who is connected to the male character's backstory, and is much more fleshed-out and nuanced in her own character history and has ties to the two main leads by way of her own arc and 'story goal' (she was the cause of Keisuke's original trauma point; and she wants to make Kusunoki 'fall' because she thinks all perfect people are secretly fake and hiding dark secrets, because of Hebikawa's own backstory).
That right there makes Hebikawa an interesting character and, on her own, sets this apart from most other school-age romcom manga titles.
People here on MD especially seem to hate on her, and accuse anyone who doesn't join their circlejerk as "loving the Snake Bitch", when the general sentiment seems to instead be "she makes this interesting to read because otherwise, Kusunoki would never end up with Keisuke by virtue of her own backstory and character motivation".

Remember - Kusunoki doesn't care one iota about romance. She wanted a successful high school debut to "undo" her past trauma making her awkward and unsociable. And she's accomplished that, while also being literally perfect in terms of academics, athletics, and being the "school beauty" that everyone fawns over.
Keisuke, by contrast, wanted his own debut to go well, ended up getting associated with Kusunoki and offered to help her with hers. But Kusunoki, who historically has problems with boys falling for her because she doesn't "gauge distance well" in her relationships, pulled the exact same stunt, and Keisuke fell for her as a result.

So the "romance plot" is entirely on Keisuke misreading signals and developing feelings on his own. Kusunoki wants nothing to do with that, and now that her friend Otobe likes Keisuke, she wants to distance herself from Keisuke entirely, to try and prevent her past from repeating (see the flashback a couple chapters ago).
But if Kusunoki had her way, Keisuke wouldn't get with her. And that leaves Keisuke hanging out to dry. Best case there, he ends up with Otobe, or nobody, and they all lose their friendships over the fallout.

Hebikawa, then, serves as the foil to Kusunoki, and is the "novel element" that shakes things up and serves as the potential impetus to push Kusunoki into actually confronting her feelings and whether she wants to actually give romance, and Keisuke, a shot--because Hebikawa is trying to use Keisuke to get to Kusunoki, which creates the tension and the forward momentum of the story that otherwise just couldn't exist in any organic/reasonable fashion.
 
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I love snake women

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On a completely unrelated note, and for no reason whatsoever, I'm going to remind everyone of the age-old advice: don't stick it in crazy.
counterpoint: If crazy why hot
I think the funniest part of this whole ordeal is hebikawa has this magical power to make people forget everything that happens in the chapter that doesnt involve her. Like last chapter no one was really talking about kusonoki getting sick and more so focused on hebi trying to invite keisuke on a date even tho hebi wasnt even the main focus of that chapter. similar to this chapter where the main focal point is the discussion around hebi even tho kusonoki is going through her own crisis. Really shows how much of an effect the snek has on the story.
i am not a fan of snake tbh, but she just has that Aura and is the one that makes the manga kinda interesting
and Hebikawa got #1, Otobe got #2, and Kusunoki got #3
Oof at main Heroine being below Otobe even, and not just snake
 
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this manga is so cooked. The female lead already chosen as the winner but shes just a little miss perfect tripping over herself.

Where can this manga go witout the snek, itll literally end. Really hope they went tru wit the kiss but the author will prolly noballs...
 
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Oof at main Heroine being below Otobe even, and not just snake
my best guess as to why, is because Kusunoki is just your generic "perfect heroine" romcom character.

The one thing she had as a "flaw" was her social awkwardness, and the moment she put any effort into talking to anyone, she got over it almost immediately.
(See the chapters after the Play Arc, when she went out to eat with Airi and the two others--she had the exact thing to say to each of them, on wildly different topics and interests, and they all went from leery of her to wanting to be her best friend almost immediately.)
Otherwise - she's unparalleled academically and athletically.
  • she asks Keisuke for help studying for an exam in a subject he can do well in. He ends up getting a 95. She gets a perfect 100.
  • in dodgeball, she 1v2s both Hebikawa and the "big gorilla student" on the other side, after the latter was responsible for knocking out effectively the rest of Kusunoki's team single-handedly.
  • playing volleyball during the beach episode, Kusunoki's 2-person team aren't even sweating, while Keisuke and his partner are left gasping on the ground, exhausted, after getting completely trounced by Kusunoki.
  • in her flashback when she first befriends Otobe, Kusunoki is playing soccer with the boys in school, and Otobe accuses them of all going easy on Kusunoki because she's just running circles around them all - which, they weren't, she was just always apparently an S-tier athlete.

Yes, Kusunoki has her tragic backstory where she got ostracized by her friends spreading rumors about her - but the thing is, she has zero sense of "reasonable social distance", as it's often described in manga, and boys would fall in love with her because she was oblivious to how she acted around them, and they all "misunderstood".
No, she shouldn't have to deal with that, but at a certain point if everyone around you are interpreting what you're doing a certain way, it's kind of on you to maybe think about what you're doing and saying to see if something should change to get better outcomes.

And, Kusunoki's arc has nothing to do with romance in the first place. All she wanted was a successful high school debut. She got that, as of the Play arc, when she went from never having acted before to stealing the show and becoming the darling of their entire year. But, because she went and behaved the same way around Keisuke from the start, that landed her in trouble back in grade school, he's fallen for her, and she's too worried about "repeating history" with another boy to be smart about how she approaches him and so she just avoids him instead.

At least Otobe is direct, for the most part, and has the (literal) "Moe" factor to her. She's more dimensional just in her tomboy / abrasive personality, given she's also mellowed out toward Keisuke over time, and that's before falling for him.

Kusunoki's just perfect and bland, compared to the other two. She's almost guaranteed to end up with Keiuske because I don't believe this author can do something more original, and the usual formula of "first girl introduced wins the romance competition" and is clearly the darling of the series. But because of everything listed above, I suspect she's last on that poll, because she's the least interesting character by a country mile.

If these were real people, Kusunoki's the one you'd want to be friends with. But for making a good story that's at least somewhat original, she's almost detrimental to the story, and we wouldn't have this manga without Hebikawa providing both a foil to Kusunoki, and enough variation to the formula to make this interesting to read.
 
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BEGONE SNEK

On a more serious not. This is getting messy. In a relatively compelling way. The author did a good job of laying out Hebikawa's character and providing us with enough of her backstory and motivation to inform us why she's doing this to him again. She's still really unlikeable as a person tho.
 
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She can't be redeemed. You forget so easily that the whole reason she's doing this is to fuck with the fmc just because.
Why does that make her irredeemable, though?

It honestly sets up a continuation of her arc wherein, via Keisuke, she can be shown that her mindset of "perfect people are fake and hide their darkness" is an incorrect view of the world.

I'd be more surprised if she wasn't redeemed by the end. She gets closer to Keisuke, falls for him against her intentions, becomes close to Kusunoki by proxy, learns the truth about Kusunoki and realizes she had it all wrong, and presto--Hebikawa grows as a person and mellows out and stops with her "fake perfect people" preoccupation.

You can absolutely dislike her character--you're supposed to, she's the antagonist of this story. But she's also not written like a one-note douchebag fuckboy rival to Keisuke, and I'd argue she's part of the secondary cast alongside Otobe, and thus pretty likely to get some form of resolution in that vein.
 
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Why does that make her irredeemable, though?

It honestly sets up a continuation of her arc wherein, via Keisuke, she can be shown that her mindset of "perfect people are fake and hide their darkness" is an incorrect view of the world.

I'd be more surprised if she wasn't redeemed by the end. She gets closer to Keisuke, falls for him against her intentions, becomes close to Kusunoki by proxy, learns the truth about Kusunoki and realizes she had it all wrong, and presto--Hebikawa grows as a person and mellows out and stops with her "fake perfect people" preoccupation.

You can absolutely dislike her character--you're supposed to, she's the antagonist of this story. But she's also not written like a one-note douchebag fuckboy rival to Keisuke, and I'd argue she's part of the secondary cast alongside Otobe, and thus pretty likely to get some form of resolution in that vein.
She is written like a one note douche bag. That's why she's so hateable. She's made her entire point to fuck with both the MC and fmc going so far as to self insert herself between the mc and fmc and made it her sole purpose to drive a wedge between them for the dumbest of reasons. I never want to see a piece of shit like that ever be redeemed or best girl. She's an antagonist so it makes sense that she can't be redeemed. That's how a lot of antagonist are. Yeah, I absolutely despise her and seeing people root for her absolutely disgusts me. Her motives on why she's such a bitch do not make her redeemable whatsoever. It's just an excuse to justify to the audience a reason for her to do those nasty things.
 

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