Tensei Oujo to Tensai Reijou no Mahou Kakumei - Vol. 6 Ch. 36

[zHIST]

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So it's been many many moons, but I've just gotten to this chapter and have been reading through the comment section and gotten kinda frustrated over some of the responses to your reply.

First off, you're right. You talk later about your own situation (I don't think people got that's just an example and not projecting) and yeah in reality there would be so many complex raw emotions here and there just aren't. It's just vague forgiveness and that's so frustrating to see. The MC suppressing and blaming themselves is in character, but everyone else is just kinda doing stuff. The mother blaming herself is an interesting note, but that shouldn't be all she is feeling. Where's the rage over the duaghter she nearly lost in the ordeal? The disappointment in the son who'd commit this? The sorrow in realizing she has to part from him? That's what is really frustrating about this conclusion (and so many in similar Japanese writing) there's no actual conflict to it. Humans are a MESS of contradictory emotions we can barely control and always have to countend me. This is a heavily complex situation the affected parties are going through yet it's written so one note. The king's dialogue here feels so monologue and he just seems vaguely disappointed in his relationship with his son (it doesn't really feel like he's reacting to all the awfulness he's done or putting his sister in danger (ya know like trying to kill her)).

Another big problem with this chapter is we're given no time to dwell on even the rudimentary one note emotions shown. It's like we're watching a slide show of still images moving from one shallow vague forgiveness scene to the next. It's just bad writing plain and simple. I don't know why people acting like it's fiction changes that and it's an insult of fantasy as a genre to suggest it's incapable of even trying to capture the complexities of human emotions, relationships, and interactions.

Adding on to that, I'd definitely say the description of the punishment isn't the problem. It really doesn't matter whether he'd have been executed or is whisked off to "the border and banished". What's happening here is that the author clearly doesn't want to deal with the character anymore and is just writing them ASAP. Again the problem is that we're not given any time to dwell on the complexities of the situation or emotions that would come from family members. He just kinda disappears. I actually think the punishment is "fine" (him being put to good use to solve his mess), but the problem I have is I don't really care. It's the equalivalent of a villian destroying an orphanage to prove they're "evil" vs stabbing a main character in their back and then giving us time to experience how awful that character feels having both lost someone they saw as a friend and being hurt by the betrayal and being in physical pain (which might even have long term consequences). Take Avatar the Last Airbender for example. Zuko's choice to betray Iroh and Katara in Ba Sing Se never went away and held consequences up until the end of the show. And he didn't even do anything really bad; he just helped Azula. But Iroh refused to speak to him and we didn't get them reconnecting until the finale (during which Zuko was so anxious and scared and disappointed in his past self). Katara who once was most willing to give Zuko a chance became his biggest obstacle when he tried to join the gang. She even called the line of thinking that Zuko wasn't as bad as the rest of his family excusing his actions. Again that's just good writing when a character who wasn't all that bad made a very understandable mistake when offered everything he thought he always wanted. The prince he made far FAR worse decisions and directly endangered and tried to kill and did harm more people and no one seems to really care that much. Not even the prince himself. He's just kinda "whoops. Yh. My B. I deserve whatever punishment." it's not good writing for everyone to "come to terms" with the situation when that's just not how humans would respond here. Certainly not everyone. Again there are hints of the more raw emotions and complex feelings you'd expect here, but it overall just comes across so shallow and still.

I've seen comments of the family and friends sympathizing and lmao no. Yes, it's possible they feel sorry for him and for the parents for example this is still their son so they will of course care. Like I said the mom blaming herself for not raising him right is kinda realistic, but it needs to be accompanied by more. Because at the end of the day the person they sympathize with still put their precious other daughter in danger and their kingdom and the prime ministers daughter (who was also in the room just kinda apologizing... wtf) and so on. Feeling sorry for the Prince facing consequences for his actions isn't the only emotion that comes through here. There's this really great play called Rabit Hole where a teen driver kills a child that jumped into the street. He wasn't drunk or doing anything particularly wrong. It's just an accident with awful consequences and what follows is a complex string of emotions. You don't just "get over" your daughter having been in great mortal danger. You don't just forget about that in the face of punishing your son who caused that even if the punishment is harsh and means never seeing him again (though they never really specified if his banishment meant seclusion as in visitors being prohibited).

That's all to say this was just bad. I mean if, as comments say, this is better than the LN and anime then yikes. It really just felt like the author couldn't be bothered and wanted to get this over with. Which is frankly insulting to my time as a reader (though I guess at least he didn't draw this out AND keep it on shallow vague forgiveness which is also unfortunately common).

That's a lot of yappin

But I noticed you saying it's bad, than you're probably right on other things

 

[Pietje013]

Wonders where to next

 

[wawwal33]

The last page was peak

 

[DarkInfluence]

So fucking stupid. He almost killed his sister, the fucking princess, a noble and planned a coup. Yet he gets nothing but a slap on the wrist and nobody evens seems to give a fuck. Not even the person he tried to kill, she's sympathetic for some godforsaken reason. Started for the Yuri but the shitty ass story is a painful read.

 

[Lelouchezero]

So fucking stupid. He almost killed his sister, the fucking princess, a noble and planned a coup. Yet he gets nothing but a slap on the wrist and nobody evens seems to give a fuck. Not even the person he tried to kill, she's sympathetic for some godforsaken reason. Started for the Yuri but the shitty ass story is a painful read.

Actually the "coup" thing was just a means of them using Al's fall in order to cause a purge of the nobility. Al didn't have to start a coup he was going to be king after his father passed over the crown. Lanie is sympathetic to him because of her own guilt towards manipulating people (even if it wasn't intentional) she has seen the same abyss he has thus has an understanding. She didn't forgive him but, she understands the desperation.
Also he didn't really try and kill his sister since it was clear he was forcing her hand with the intent of being slain by her and causing a purge that way. Suicide by princess as it were.
Finally, exiled to a distant part of the kingdom and treated as a test subject isn't exactly "no punishment" especially depending on the level of experimenting they do. "Here let's cut off your arm and see how long it takes to grow back" for one. Just because he didn't end up like the enemies of an edgelord power fantasy doesn't mean he didn't get punished. Life is context sensitive and motive can change punishment especially in Monarchy's where the ruler is the true final say in the land.

 

[Dirt_Lord]

this trope in anime/manga is always so dumb to me. the mf tried to brainwash the whole country, kill his sister, kill the vamp lady, colluded with a bunch of corrupt people and then he gets carted off after a nice conversation with everyone? they have a nice little chat and a bit of a laugh? these characters should be chomping at the bit to peel this dude's skin off, come on man.

its the same trope that you always see where a person can do some of the most vile fucked up stuff but as long as they got a sad enough backstory and the author writes the characters to feel bad for him enough then it's whatever. i wish manga authors would at least pretend to try to be realistic with this stuff.

 

[Dirt_Lord]

this trope in anime/manga is always so dumb to me. the mf tried to brainwash the whole country, kill his sister, kill the vamp lady, colluded with a bunch of corrupt people and then he gets carted off after a nice conversation with everyone? they have a nice little chat and a bit of a laugh? these characters should be chomping at the bit to peel this dude's skin off, come on man.

its the same trope that you always see where a person can do some of the most vile fucked up stuff but as long as they got a sad enough backstory and the author writes the characters to feel bad for him enough then it's whatever. i wish manga authors would at least pretend to try to be realistic with this stuff.

also whenever something like this happens in an anime/manga i always have the thought "well what if you were wrong?"
like, the author so clearly wants us to just go along with the characters thoughts and say "oh he was just misguided alas so sad" or w/e but like, what if he won the fight? what if one of those bigass truck-sized icicles got mc in the gut and she died? would everyone still be so chipper?

it's an easy trope to fall back on and whenever you see it you just know the author was too lazy/unskilled to actually make a good fight/arc/background/whatever the situation was.

 

[MelonManic]

Look at him he accepts he was a dumbass, what's there to hate!?

...Al... Was this all a ploy to get your sister to recognize her place as ruler in your place? You accept that you have lost cause you know now that you can no longer be king anis being a far better fit, in your eyes now being forced onto the throne is that what this is? So either way whether you know win or you lose, the kingdom gets a ruler with the influence to make a change, so its a win win for you!?

Goddammit that's kind of smart

Careful there al, your asshole is showing and you might get demoted again

If I were to grab a volume, it'd be this one, have a nice day

 

[MelonManic]

this trope in anime/manga is always so dumb to me. the mf tried to brainwash the whole country, kill his sister, kill the vamp lady, colluded with a bunch of corrupt people and then he gets carted off after a nice conversation with everyone? they have a nice little chat and a bit of a laugh? these characters should be chomping at the bit to peel this dude's skin off, come on man.

its the same trope that you always see where a person can do some of the most vile fucked up stuff but as long as they got a sad enough backstory and the author writes the characters to feel bad for him enough then it's whatever. i wish manga authors would at least pretend to try to be realistic with this stuff.

Mate, they still care for him that's anis brother and the king and queens kid, yes he did some fucked up stuff but he's not pure evil as you can clearly see, he's accepted his defeat and their alive, you should celebrate you survived such a traumatic event not beat yourself over almost losing

also whenever something like this happens in an anime/manga i always have the thought "well what if you were wrong?"
like, the author so clearly wants us to just go along with the characters thoughts and say "oh he was just misguided alas so sad" or w/e but like, what if he won the fight? what if one of those bigass truck-sized icicles got mc in the gut and she died? would everyone still be so chipper?

it's an easy trope to fall back on and whenever you see it you just know the author was too lazy/unskilled to actually make a good fight/arc/background/whatever the situation was.

Welp it's a good thing the MC didn't die right? What's the harm of a light hearted send off to a guy that will probably never show up again, you call em lazy but there's always a reason behind giving a character like this a send off, why do you think it happens so much? Also the mood may be light but ya can clearly see they don't like al anymore, they can respect the decision though and that they probably won't ever have to see him again

With all due respect though, I hope been having a noice day and I offered some interesting insight

 

[BULLETTIME11]

Henry II forgave Young Henry, only to have Young Henry attempt another rebellion and die doing it. His next two oldest sons also died during their rebellions. The list of royals who were executed is much longer, and their wives and children were lucky to be imprisoned for life afterwords.

Well its such a good thing that Al was never given the second chance to start another coup and he also doesnt seem to start another.

 

[BULLETTIME11]

I mean, considering that they just all forgive him immediately for nearly killing two people, yes?


I'm not saying that he needs to die, please don't twist my words. I was just expecting more, idk corporal punishment and for them TO HATE HIM A BIT at the very fucking least. My entire example of my uncle is to point out that, people DON'T FORGIVE THAT SOON OR EASILY even if there are reasons.

understanding why someone acted like a fucking asshole ≠ being able to forgive them immediately after they tried to kill you and/or your loved ones

also, in my uncle case, the "nearly killing" thing happened with few witnesses, all of whom are my extended family, and no one reported the accident, so no punishment was given out. Personally, I'd love if my uncle at least went to jail for that. Also, even irl "attempted murder" isn't charged with execution, idk why you immediately think of that?

Your main complaint does require alot of headcannon to stand on its own two feet

 

[BULLETTIME11]

I'm pretty sure I mentioned at least once somewhere in the thread that I want him to be tortured/face corporal punishment. Hell, I even edited my first comment to make that clear. Please stop ignoring and twisting my opinion into things that you think up.


Literally all the named characters have appeared in a single chapter, all of them more or less said they don't blame him for what happened. Name me one MAJOR CHARACTER who actually doesn't forgive him please, I would love to see that, really.

how in the world do you think that NOT FORGIVING SOMEBODY is equal to OUT FOR BLOOD??? Seriously what's going on with your brain?
I said my father moved on, but it took time (5 years to be exact) and that's what I want to see happens. People forgive, but not soon or immediately like in the manga.

That was like, days, weeks at most. It's still stupidly fast and unrealistic.

I did. I actually had to ask to know that it took my father 5 years to forgive my uncle. My dad was sad/furious at my uncle when the accident happened, and he had wanted to cut ties with my uncle entirely. But his mom and extended family convinced him not to. Then with my uncle trying to be better and repair the relationship + my father trying to understand my uncle's situation and sympathize with him, they finally reached an understanding, and my father forgave my uncle.

As you can see from my example above, my uncle had to put effort into fixing the relationship and my father had to take 5 years to make peace with the past and let it go.
Meanwhile, the prince tried to kill 2 people (and betraying their trust in him in the process), then he said sorry to them and those same 2 people just forgive him right away.

Putting the two situations side by side like this, do you still not see why I have beef with this whole thing? If so, I really don't have anything more to say, since I keep repeating the same old thing and you keep ignoring me or twisting my words to argue.

Holy shit why are you still yapping about your personal history to make parallels to a Yuri isekai story, and I dont care if the other guy kept bringing it out of you via arguments, this is just strange

 

[CannibalShinobi]

Well its such a good thing that Al was never given the second chance to start another coup and he also doesnt seem to start another.

Yeah, it's called "shit writing". Isekai garbage is full of it.

 

[BULLETTIME11]

Yeah, it's called "shit writing". Isekai garbage is full of it.

And will you provide how its "shit writing" instead of spouting nothing burger platitudes nonstop

 

[CannibalShinobi]

And will you provide how its "shit writing" instead of spouting nothing burger platitudes nonstop

Dude, you just made several posts in a row crying about how other people thought it was bad. I'm not wasting my time on a loser who can't deal with people having different opinions. No matter what I say it ain't changing your mind, you're set in stone and have zero intention of having an earnest discussion.

So I'm going to stick with "Isekai trash continues to be isekai trash." Manga won't even fully adapt the LN because it's boring AF.

 

[BULLETTIME11]

Dude, you just made several posts in a row crying about how other people thought it was bad. I'm not wasting my time on a loser who can't deal with people having different opinions. No matter what I say it ain't changing your mind, you're set in stone and have zero intention of having an earnest discussion.

So I'm going to stick with "Isekai trash continues to be isekai trash." Manga won't even fully adapt the LN because it's boring AF.

I actually like discussing things with people, but it seems like you either dont have an argument and/or refuse to stand your own ground. Whatever then, continue to whine and bitch about stories while providing zero reasons as to why

Also if me disagreeing with people = crying, you might actually be retarded

 

[CannibalShinobi]

I actually like discussing things with people, but it seems like you either dont have an argument and/or refuse to stand your own ground. Whatever then, continue to whine and bitch about stories while providing zero reasons as to why

Also if me disagreeing with people = crying, you might actually be retarded

You made several posts in a row because you're too stupid to know how to edit a single post to contain all if the dumb shit coming out of your mouth.

I stand by my words, I don't have to justify my opinion of a shit manga plot point for a chapter that came out two years ago. Fucking loser.

 

[BULLETTIME11]

You made several posts in a row because you're too stupid to know how to edit a single post to contain all if the dumb shit coming out of your mouth.

I stand by my words, I don't have to justify my opinion of a shit manga plot point for a chapter that came out two years ago. Fucking loser.

First of all I just type comments as I come across them, why would I wait until I've read everything in an entire comment section to make one massive post/comment?

Secondly thanks for proving my point XD, little bitch ain't got the motivation to defend his own opinions, if you stated why you dislike something I could understand that, but to brainlessly say "thing bad so I dont like thing, thing is dogshit" makes you come across as lazy and an idiot