Chounin A wa Akuyaku Reijou o Doushitemo Sukuitai: Dobu to Sora to Koori no Himegimi - Vol. 10 Ch. 49.2 - The Saintess and The Witch

[TristhaniaGevra]

AUTHOR BETTER POTRAY HER WORSE ENDING FROM THE NOVEL, OR I'M GONNA CRASH OUT

 

[Zhulok]

Apparently it is that hard... for you.

As I and other have pointed out:

• Don't put all your prisoners in one cell.
• Do something to seriously disable them (break some bones, or at least leg irons).
• Don't interrogate them as a group.
• Don't turn your back on prisoners. Ever. (Even more true for Allen who isn't a melee fighter.)
• When you find a weapon on a prisoner, become even more cautious that the above. (E.g. withdraw from the room.)
• Before that, alarm bells should have rung as soon as you found prisoners moved from their original cell to a comfortable cell.
• And before that, given that Amy wasn't able to influence all the guards, then the other guards should have raised alarms at their comrades suddenly becoming Amy fanboys.

Granted mistakes can happen. People can fail to catch things that they should have caught. That's credible.

But failing this many obvious things at once isn't credible.

None of that was their doing... the prisoners were set up that way because the witch told them too. The MC didnt know or understand he was walking into a trap. He thought they were properly bound and surrounded by guards who were allies. So of course he'd turn his back on them it should have been safe.
Again think before you blame the MC for stuff he has no control over.
If you want to call it contrived then fine I guess every trap laid by a villain is contrived.

 

[Solipsist]

I feel like the author forgot that Allen has magical abilities (wind magic, right?)
I completely reject any sort of tension these part tries to build up.

 

[StormSen]

Well those things sure as hell weren't "reasonably foreseeable" for you as you only strated complaining about them after they had happened. Which is the other part of the point I was making but you interpreted it as insults. As a matter of fact, nobody in the comments sections anywhere could forsee those "reasonably foreseeable" things except for those who had read the light novel. So much for "reasonably foreseeable".

You're arguing that "Because I didn't point it out earlier, then I must not have recognized it earlier." ... That's absurd. Obviously, commenters can/do wait until the result occurs before commenting that they saw it coming.

Of course, you can doubt such claims. But when such claims are evidenced by obvious common sense, they're hard to dispute. Again, you would have to present arguments that the events were not reasonably foreseeable. Which you didn't do.

 

[StormSen]

None of that was their doing... the prisoners were set up that way because the witch told them too. The MC didnt know or understand he was walking into a trap. He thought they were properly bound and surrounded by guards who were allies. So of course he'd turn his back on them it should have been safe.
Again think before you blame the MC for stuff he has no control over.
If you want to call it contrived then fine I guess every trap laid by a villain is contrived.

This is such a complete lack of common sense that I have to wonder if I'm talking to AI.

Every single thing that I mentioned in the list that you're responding to is something that the MC would have had either ample time to observe ahead of time (and thus respond to), or are personal actions which he could and should have taken to avoid attack. Obviously so. Yet you're claiming that he had no control.

 

[Tatsuya-Kai]

Apparently it is that hard... for you.

As I and other have pointed out:

• Don't put all your prisoners in one cell.
• Do something to seriously disable them (break some bones, or at least leg irons).
• Don't interrogate them as a group.
• Don't turn your back on prisoners. Ever. (Even more true for Allen who isn't a melee fighter.)
• When you find a weapon on a prisoner, become even more cautious that the above. (E.g. withdraw from the room.)
• Before that, alarm bells should have rung as soon as you found prisoners moved from their original cell to a comfortable cell.
• And before that, given that Amy wasn't able to influence all the guards, then the other guards should have raised alarms at their comrades suddenly becoming Amy fanboys.

Granted mistakes can happen. People can fail to catch things that they should have caught. That's credible.

But failing this many obvious things at once isn't credible.

1. This is the middle ages and probably a very safe territory, they may literally only have one prison cell to put them in, especially if they weren't the only ones captured.
2. Read 1, also breaking bones would defeat the point of them being prisoners of war in negotiations.
3. I'll give you this one, though alan did think the guards were on his side.
4. Technically he turned his back because the guard was supposed to protect them from stuff like that.
5. Didn't the guard bring it to her, can't remember if he did or not.
6. Prisoners of war and a prince at that, this is common with high level prisoners, at least to alan, not sure about ana.
7. They probably didn't know, or they didn't act up around them.

 

[ManhToanBui]

1 more cliffhanger and imma drop ts

 

[reedercat]

Apparently it is that hard... for you.

As I and other have pointed out:

• Don't put all your prisoners in one cell.
• Do something to seriously disable them (break some bones, or at least leg irons).
• Don't interrogate them as a group.
• Don't turn your back on prisoners. Ever. (Even more true for Allen who isn't a melee fighter.)
• When you find a weapon on a prisoner, become even more cautious that the above. (E.g. withdraw from the room.)
• Before that, alarm bells should have rung as soon as you found prisoners moved from their original cell to a comfortable cell.
• And before that, given that Amy wasn't able to influence all the guards, then the other guards should have raised alarms at their comrades suddenly becoming Amy fanboys.

Granted mistakes can happen. People can fail to catch things that they should have caught. That's credible.

But failing this many obvious things at once isn't credible.

Some of your points are valid, but some of them...........aren't

For 1, Allen did put them in separate cells, Amy brainwashed the guards into letting them all be together
For 2, he probably should have put at least the heavy hitter in chains, but also he beat the shit out of them 1v5 so it's reasonable for him to be cocky
For 3, it seems like he wanted to figure out who knew what all at the same time (since he asked Amy about the thing that princeboy said)
For 4, as far as Allen knew they were properly restrained and guarded
For 5, you're 100% right, as soon as he discovered Amy had a weapon on her he should have left the room and regrouped (and probably come back with more guards)
For 6, it seems like the prisoners were being brought there specifically for Allen's "interrogation" so that wouldn't raise alarm bells
And then for 7, it seems like Amy brainwashed all the guards that were in the room, and those other guards were outside and thus didn't know what was happening

So like, you're right that Allen dropped the ball in a way that's hard to believe, but it's mostly because of him not leaving the room when he discovered a prisoner had a goddamn weapon

 

[Llangion]

How many times is the MC going to cast aside Common Sense and choose the hardest way of doing things possible? He is supposed to be smarter than this.

Thank you for the translation!

 

[sedition]

There is where the story starts to completely fall apart, unless there are some crazy changes from the novel it basically goes from a 7/10 to a 3/10.

 

[mysteana]

There is where the story starts to completely fall apart, unless there are some crazy changes from the novel it basically goes from a 7/10 to a 3/10.

Yeap, from this point on, facts and events are shoehorned to fit a weird story that has lost sight of the ending.

Spoiler: WN stuff

Anna's ascension as the Ice Saint is especially awkward trying to justify her theme and abilities. Sure, it fits the narrative trope of the villainess usurping the transmigrator heroine's original role, but the way it's handled here is just awkward and ham fisted.

Allan himself does not do himself any favours ever since the beginning the the war arc and has turned absolutely passive in comparison to pre-game start arc when he's been actively advancing himself and making full use of his knowledge hacks.

Allan is not the MC at this point. It's Amy. She's the one driving the events and the narrative now.

 

[Dzrian]

urgh why do they keep doing this

 

[BlackKnight98]

The term you're looking for is Harmacist

Exactly. I was imaging a smiting paladin over a healing cleric

 

[SpeedyAussie]

Thanks for the translation, Sebas.

This is different from what I remember from the WN, but I welcome it. This cliffhanger sucks, though, may hellfire rain over the heads of whoever invented those.

The cliffhanger was originally invented by an author some 100> years ago. In all his books/chapters, he always had the protagonist hang from the edge of a cliff at the end.
Edit: after some brief research, I think multiple cultures used it before him, but it got it's name because of that author I mentioned.
edit: Author was Tom Hardy. Book was 'A Pair of Blue Eyes' where Henry Knight is hanging from a cliff.

 

[Odious1]

Excessive drama... so lame. Rope shackles? In a prison? Yeah, ooookay. That hasn't been done in a "modern" society in oh, idk, 1000+ years😑.

 

[Zuhri69]

What a fucking stupid development.

 

[nbcfan]

but the part of the staff Amy has now is just a vibrator, isn't it.

Glad to know I'm not alone in what it looks like.

 

[Gin_Archronus07]

Love how the author broke off the vibrator part of the staff before giving it to Ana.