Kusunoki-san wa Koukou Debut ni Shippai Shite Iru - Ch. 58 - I already know that, I know it!

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It does explain how she came up with the "ojou" thing, but it sure doesn't explain what caused Otobe to imprint on Kusunoki and what kind of life has she led to not understand how utterly bizarre that behaviour is.

I mean—it's an idiosyncrasy of Moe. That's the whole of it, and looking for something deeper is, I wager, a fool's errand. You're free to not accept that particular conceit of the narrative, but I don't think you're going to get more of an answer than the pages I cited.

She's also a kid. Kids are weird. And on top of that Kusunoki is literally written like a Shounen protagonist with her laundry list of talents and innate ability to do pretty much everything and oh-so-perfect demeanor. Having a fawning, devoted sidekick character is honestly kind of standard fare in that context.
Moe's a side character whose inclusion in the harem contest is basically a participation trophy, and her crush on Keisuke is a glorified plot device intended to push Kusunoki to finally face her character arc baggage. She's not an actual heroine in this series in that sense; and arguably Hebikawa isn't either, as she's more the narrative counterpoint to Kusunoki than anything else (being her "opposite" in how they started out similar and then traveled down differing paths when faced with the same sort of trial in childhood).

That's going off-topic a bit, but the longer this series goes on, the more it's clear that it's not actually a harem series, because in the end Kusunoki is the protagonist. Keisuke is a deuterogonist and her love interest, Hebikawa is the direct narrative conflict for Kusunoki, and Moe is a mascot. The story's about Kusunoki confronting her past and trying to move beyond the traumas that caused her to shut herself off from the world; every other character is meant to impact her story in some way, be it friendship, romance, or adversarial character growth.

So worrying about why Moe acts the way she does on anything more than a "it's just who she is" level isn't going to be constructive.
 
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I would say it's more likely than Moe which is very funny

For real. Moe's a mascot and not an actual contender in the "harem" race; she's there to serve as a plot device for Kusunoki to get over her hangups about relationships and romance via introducing the exact dynamic that caused Kusunoki's whole trauma mess in the first place.

At least Hebikawa is the actual antagonist to Kusunoki's character, and even has history with Keisuke independent of the other two. I have no doubt her arc is intended for her to learn a similar lessn as Kusunoki—and hopefully come out the other side a better person, with her worldview in a better place—but if there was an actual "percentage chance" for each of the three to get Keisuke, Kusunoki is far and away out in front, with Hebikawa a distant second, and Moe wandering around in the consession stands looking for snacks to bring to Kusunoki.
 
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Idk what people are talking about Hebikawa “scheming” and getting exposed. It doesn’t matter that she may have intended to, none of her “schemes” actually had any effect on anyone
 
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I mean—it's an idiosyncrasy of Moe. That's the whole of it, and looking for something deeper is, I wager, a fool's errand. You're free to not accept that particular conceit of the narrative, but I don't think you're going to get more of an answer than the pages I cited.

She's also a kid. Kids are weird. And on top of that Kusunoki is literally written like a Shounen protagonist with her laundry list of talents and innate ability to do pretty much everything and oh-so-perfect demeanor. Having a fawning, devoted sidekick character is honestly kind of standard fare in that context.
Moe's a side character whose inclusion in the harem contest is basically a participation trophy, and her crush on Keisuke is a glorified plot device intended to push Kusunoki to finally face her character arc baggage. She's not an actual heroine in this series in that sense; and arguably Hebikawa isn't either, as she's more the narrative counterpoint to Kusunoki than anything else (being her "opposite" in how they started out similar and then traveled down differing paths when faced with the same sort of trial in childhood).

That's going off-topic a bit, but the longer this series goes on, the more it's clear that it's not actually a harem series, because in the end Kusunoki is the protagonist. Keisuke is a deuterogonist and her love interest, Hebikawa is the direct narrative conflict for Kusunoki, and Moe is a mascot. The story's about Kusunoki confronting her past and trying to move beyond the traumas that caused her to shut herself off from the world; every other character is meant to impact her story in some way, be it friendship, romance, or adversarial character growth.

So worrying about why Moe acts the way she does on anything more than a "it's just who she is" level isn't going to be constructive.
That actually makes a bunch of sense, I hadn't read it like that. Thanks for the insights
 
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That actually makes a bunch of sense, I hadn't read it like that. Thanks for the insights

I didn't really clock it until after I repeatedly read back through the series to cite for comments on previous chapter threads here on MD.

But the more you read it as "Kusunoki is the protagonist; Keisuke is the 'lens' character the reader experiences the story through; Hebikawa is the antagonist/mirror counterpart of Kusunoki; Otobe is the sidekick character who closes the loop on the protagonist's backstory trauma/character arc hurdle", it all starts lining up pretty neatly. It presents like a harem romcom, but that's mostly because there's one male character who is the "first character introduced" and three female characters all oriented around the boy.
And Keisuke is still important; I call him the deuterogonist because while he's a support character to Kusunoki, he's still tied into both her story arc and the arcs of Hebikawa and Otobe. Otobe is also important and is arguably fairly well fleshed-out for what she represents to the narrative, but I'd argue her crush on Keisuke is more to recreate the original scenario that landed Kusunoki in the spot she's currently in.

Including the fact that it's being set up like that and the current dynamic (excluding Hebikawa) almost exactly mirrors Kusunoki's past, tells me that she is the focus of the series (on top of being in the title itself), and that it's her story being presented. It's also why all the people saying she's the only one with a real chance of "winning the romance battle" are correct, just not in the exact manner they might assume; it's not a harem series where each character is considered a serious condender, because each character has different goals that aren't all related to dating Keisuke.

  • Kusunoki needs to overcome her past trauma and open up to the world around her;
  • Hebikawa needs to have her worldview challeneged and realize that not everyone is fake/an opportunist, and that her methods of dealing with people are harmful to them and to her; and
  • Otobe needs to come to grips that she can't simply follow along with Kusunoki and will need to develop more agency/a sense of identity for herself.

Weirdly, Keisuke is already sort of "solved", as he needed to get over his trauma toward 'pretty girls', and he's kinda already through that since he can talk to Hebikawa. I might argue he needs to fully forgive her (assuming she earns it & redeems herself by the end, of course) and let his past hangups go entirely, but he's almost as much a "plot device" as Otobe is when it comes to Kusunoki resolving her character arc. He likes Kusunoki, but a lot of what results from that is contingent on her overcoming herself, rather than anything he specifically needs to do (except maybe not act the way the boy did from Kusunoki's backstory).
 
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As much as we Snake fans don't like to admit it, if the author truly sees Kusunoki as the main protagonist, the story really does likely have no other way of resolving than Kusunoki winning Shizuki. Now, i say this because it's not really as obvious as some of you make it out to be, and the "main protagonist" position might as well have been shifting throughout the seires.

Or i'm just delusional and still want to hope that this series will not get the most boring ending. Not quite a waste of attention, but purely because of Hebi, so if she gets a bland ending it kind of kills what the manga was interesting for.

Also, i don't quite get why people like Otobe. I get that she's insecure and that Kusunoki helped her a lot, but she still manages to be among the most annoying characters i've seen. A tsundere usually has some type of appeal which rescues her, this one has none, if you ask me.
 
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The reason Hebikawa and Moe have fans is simple.

This manga is SO cliche, they're the only original thing in this otherwise unremarkable story. And so of course a part of the public is loudly cheering for them, hoping for a subversion of the perceived, implied ending with Kusunoki.

Mind you, an ordinary story is not necessarily bad. Here however, I do feel it's a bit bad. Kusunoki has been so.... flat... for the entire manga that by the time she actually started to think for herself and be just a tiny bit more proactive, most readers were already cheering for Moe or for Hebikawa. It's been what, 4-5 chapters since she actually started to do something? Very late in the story. This is the author's fault, who had her be so... empty... for most of the story.

Up until the last few chapters, she was literally just looking at the story from the sidelines, the other characters have been far, far more interesting. What is Kusunoki's main sellling point? That she does nothing and tries not to offend anyone and just looks. How is that supposed to be interesting?

I don't know what ending to hope for, honestly. But if it is an ending with Keisuke ending with Kusunoki, she has a LOT more to change, grow and improve from now on. As is now, she's by far my least favorite heroine and an ending with her like this would be so underwhelming.
I would argue Moe is the least interesting character so far. Her entire existence had been "I like sports" and "I like him". She is a cut and paste short haired tomboy that has been done to death by writers. Nothing original about her. Nothing interesting about her. You could say she has stood up to hebikawa, but that is just a tomboy thing. She is just generic, and the only reason she has support is similar to the reason the childhood friend has support. Some people just prefer that character type. Moe is undoubtedly the least interesting, and most generic character in this series by far
 
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As much as we Snake fans don't like to admit it, if the author truly sees Kusunoki as the main protagonist, the story really does likely have no other way of resolving than Kusunoki winning Shizuki. Now, i say this because it's not really as obvious as some of you make it out to be, and the "main protagonist" position might as well have been shifting throughout the seires.

Or i'm just delusional and still want to hope that this series will not get the most boring ending. Not quite a waste of attention, but purely because of Hebi, so if she gets a bland ending it kind of kills what the manga was interesting for.

Also, i don't quite get why people like Otobe. I get that she's insecure and that Kusunoki helped her a lot, but she still manages to be among the most annoying characters i've seen. A tsundere usually has some type of appeal which rescues her, this one has none, if you ask me.

I'd argue the role of "protagonist" has never shifted away from Kusunoki; the thing that throws people off is that the lens character is Keisuke, through whom the reader is introduced to the story and through whom most of the story is told. But everything critical to the plot revolves around Kusunoki, including the character "goals" of the rest of the cast.

  • Keisuke likes her, but also befriends her and learns to overcome his trauma from middle school, growing as a person.
  • Otobe was best friends with her in the past and has always idolized her, but now is part of the setup that recreates the "Big Trauma Moment" of Kusunoki's past in the form of a love triangle involving Keisuke. This becomes Kusunoki's chance to do something different, to prove she's grown as a person and can make choices that won't end in her losing all the people important to her.
  • Hebikawa is basically "Dark Kusunoki", and is directly an antagonist to her, representing a what-if had Kusunoki made certain choices when she was confronted with the sixth-grade scenario that cost her all her friendships. Hebikawa had a similar outlook as Kusunoki when she was a child, but went down the "dark path" of cynicism and cruel behavior, and thus has a twist worldview that needs to be addressed and rectified.

If you try to put Keisuke in the role of Protagonist, everything becomes centered entirely around a formula involving harem romcoms. But the big outlier becomes Hebikawa herself; you could say that her "role" in the story as it relates to Keisuke is the trauma she inflicted upon him (or rather that he subjected himself to by having a one-sided crush on her and then overhearing her one day in the hallway), but he's since already 'solved it', and now he's more concerned with protecting Kusunoki from whatever he thinks Hebikawa is up to. That still focuses Hebikawa's character toward Kusunoki, making her a bigger narrative focal point than Keisuke and thus both more central and more important to each and every character in the series.
And even with Otobe—yes, she likes Keisuke, but that basically amounts to him being authentic and nice to her, and her falling for him on her own. If anything, she's doing something similar to what Keisuke did regarding Hebikawa in middle school, except she won't hear Keisuke going "Otobe Who?" in the hallway. But she otherwise has no real connection to him in the larger sense of the story, as the whole of her involvement is through Kusunoki.

The problem with thinking there will be a "boring ending" is wrapped up in reading this like a harem romcom and not a Shoujo (maybe even Shonen-esque) series that incidentally involves multiple girls liking the same boy. But it's more that there's a love triangle between the protagonist, her friend, and the boy they both like, and then an ongoing 'battle' between the protagonist and her "mirrored self", who in turn needs to learn to grow past her own issues by way of befriending and being influenced by the protagonist.
That's why Hebikawa is seeming to change the most when she interacts with Kusunoki. She thinks she can break Kusunoki and reveal the inner darkness she's convinced is there, but even as Keisuke has been kind (though not nice) to Hebikawa (like helping her out on her birthday and when her mom's boyfriend was coming onto her), that merely opened the door for Hebikawa to start getting closer to Kusunoki. But it's Kusunoki who has been continuously thwarting Hebikawa's plan to break her, by being her pure self. We see it in this very chapter with Hebikawa thrown off entirely after the high-five moment—she's getting a taste of having actual friends who are there entirely of their own volition, and it's forming cracks in her worldview in ways only Kusunoki could do.

This is a story of Kusunoki overcoming her trauma and growing up as a person, first and foremost. The romance angle is tied into that because it's what caused everything to go wrong for Kusunoki in the past, and necessarily involves a love triangle. And Hebikawa's involvement is to "tempt" Kusunoki into going down the wrong path in her attempts to rectify this love triangle, so that she can push through that temptation and keep to her truth & ideals, and show Hebikawa that there's a better path forward, at the same time.
That's why Kusunoki won't "win" Keisuke in the end; there's no actual contest/harem involving romance in the first place. It's more about Kusunoki beating her past, and helping her "dark half" along the way.

And the best ending for Hebikawa is being "saved" by Kusunoki, by way of showing that her worldview isn't wrong, but actually harmful to herself. I wager it'll actually go the direction of Hebikawa having to help Kusunoki, by having their roles flip; Kusunoki will start going "dark" as she struggles to deal with this new Triangle issue between herself and Keisuke and Otobe, and Hebikawa will be changed toward the "light"/Kusunoki enough that she'll step in and help Kusunoki from going down the same path Hebikawa did all those years ago.
Which would be redemption for Hebikawa, in both rejecting her plan to break Kusunoki, and rejecting her old worldview and choosing a more healthy path that promotes real friendships and connections. It wouldn't involve romance with Keisuke, but it would represent a chance to attain meaningful bonds with other people, which would mean healthier relationship opportunities in the future. After all, her parents being divorced and her mom's boyfriend going after her is part of that toxic relationship stuff—and Hebikawa needs romance less than she needs healthy foundations for building relationships in the first place.
 
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As much as we Snake fans don't like to admit it, if the author truly sees Kusunoki as the main protagonist, the story really does likely have no other way of resolving than Kusunoki winning Shizuki. Now, i say this because it's not really as obvious as some of you make it out to be, and the "main protagonist" position might as well have been shifting throughout the seires.

Or i'm just delusional and still want to hope that this series will not get the most boring ending. Not quite a waste of attention, but purely because of Hebi, so if she gets a bland ending it kind of kills what the manga was interesting for.

Also, i don't quite get why people like Otobe. I get that she's insecure and that Kusunoki helped her a lot, but she still manages to be among the most annoying characters i've seen. A tsundere usually has some type of appeal which rescues her, this one has none, if you ask me.

For me, I think it's clear that Kusunoki will be the one to end up with Shizuki, which is why the journey is more important than the destination, I don't know about you but I think Hebi can still be Hebi in her teasing and mischievous way but can also do it more honestly after she overcomes her own worldview.

If Hebi does get serious about pursuing Shizuki (and not just so she can use him against Kusunoki) then that could make things interesting but she's kind of doomed to fail so as long as her main goal is to see Kusunoki's "dark side" if she scraps that whole thing and allows herself to be humbled then anything can happen after that if she's still serious about Shizuki.
 
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Imagine at the end of the story nobody can do something and MC is marrying a random girl he just met instead lmao 🤣
Nice chapter! TY for your hard work! 💚
 
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Moe unironically has better chances than Hebikawa, Hebikawa is in a very wobbly position than can go either way.
Nah bro her character archetype never wins. If a 4th girl was introduced in the last 5 chapters she'd have a better chance than the brown short tomboy lol.
They only ever win in non harem situations.
 
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I'd argue the role of "protagonist" has never shifted away from Kusunoki; the thing that throws people off is that the lens character is Keisuke, through whom the reader is introduced to the story and through whom most of the story is told. But everything critical to the plot revolves around Kusunoki, including the character "goals" of the rest of the cast.

  • Keisuke likes her, but also befriends her and learns to overcome his trauma from middle school, growing as a person.
  • Otobe was best friends with her in the past and has always idolized her, but now is part of the setup that recreates the "Big Trauma Moment" of Kusunoki's past in the form of a love triangle involving Keisuke. This becomes Kusunoki's chance to do something different, to prove she's grown as a person and can make choices that won't end in her losing all the people important to her.
  • Hebikawa is basically "Dark Kusunoki", and is directly an antagonist to her, representing a what-if had Kusunoki made certain choices when she was confronted with the sixth-grade scenario that cost her all her friendships. Hebikawa had a similar outlook as Kusunoki when she was a child, but went down the "dark path" of cynicism and cruel behavior, and thus has a twist worldview that needs to be addressed and rectified.

If you try to put Keisuke in the role of Protagonist, everything becomes centered entirely around a formula involving harem romcoms. But the big outlier becomes Hebikawa herself; you could say that her "role" in the story as it relates to Keisuke is the trauma she inflicted upon him (or rather that he subjected himself to by having a one-sided crush on her and then overhearing her one day in the hallway), but he's since already 'solved it', and now he's more concerned with protecting Kusunoki from whatever he thinks Hebikawa is up to. That still focuses Hebikawa's character toward Kusunoki, making her a bigger narrative focal point than Keisuke and thus both more central and more important to each and every character in the series.
And even with Otobe—yes, she likes Keisuke, but that basically amounts to him being authentic and nice to her, and her falling for him on her own. If anything, she's doing something similar to what Keisuke did regarding Hebikawa in middle school, except she won't hear Keisuke going "Otobe Who?" in the hallway. But she otherwise has no real connection to him in the larger sense of the story, as the whole of her involvement is through Kusunoki.

The problem with thinking there will be a "boring ending" is wrapped up in reading this like a harem romcom and not a Shoujo (maybe even Shonen-esque) series that incidentally involves multiple girls liking the same boy. But it's more that there's a love triangle between the protagonist, her friend, and the boy they both like, and then an ongoing 'battle' between the protagonist and her "mirrored self", who in turn needs to learn to grow past her own issues by way of befriending and being influenced by the protagonist.
That's why Hebikawa is seeming to change the most when she interacts with Kusunoki. She thinks she can break Kusunoki and reveal the inner darkness she's convinced is there, but even as Keisuke has been kind (though not nice) to Hebikawa (like helping her out on her birthday and when her mom's boyfriend was coming onto her), that merely opened the door for Hebikawa to start getting closer to Kusunoki. But it's Kusunoki who has been continuously thwarting Hebikawa's plan to break her, by being her pure self. We see it in this very chapter with Hebikawa thrown off entirely after the high-five moment—she's getting a taste of having actual friends who are there entirely of their own volition, and it's forming cracks in her worldview in ways only Kusunoki could do.

This is a story of Kusunoki overcoming her trauma and growing up as a person, first and foremost. The romance angle is tied into that because it's what caused everything to go wrong for Kusunoki in the past, and necessarily involves a love triangle. And Hebikawa's involvement is to "tempt" Kusunoki into going down the wrong path in her attempts to rectify this love triangle, so that she can push through that temptation and keep to her truth & ideals, and show Hebikawa that there's a better path forward, at the same time.
That's why Kusunoki won't "win" Keisuke in the end; there's no actual contest/harem involving romance in the first place. It's more about Kusunoki beating her past, and helping her "dark half" along the way.

And the best ending for Hebikawa is being "saved" by Kusunoki, by way of showing that her worldview isn't wrong, but actually harmful to herself. I wager it'll actually go the direction of Hebikawa having to help Kusunoki, by having their roles flip; Kusunoki will start going "dark" as she struggles to deal with this new Triangle issue between herself and Keisuke and Otobe, and Hebikawa will be changed toward the "light"/Kusunoki enough that she'll step in and help Kusunoki from going down the same path Hebikawa did all those years ago.
Which would be redemption for Hebikawa, in both rejecting her plan to break Kusunoki, and rejecting her old worldview and choosing a more healthy path that promotes real friendships and connections. It wouldn't involve romance with Keisuke, but it would represent a chance to attain meaningful bonds with other people, which would mean healthier relationship opportunities in the future. After all, her parents being divorced and her mom's boyfriend going after her is part of that toxic relationship stuff—and Hebikawa needs romance less than she needs healthy foundations for building relationships in the first place.
Honestly, this might be among the best readings of the story we've seen so far. When you look at it objectively, and judging from how the story as a whole has been going so far, i think that this may be the most accurate outcome prediction.

However, even if the author might've intended for this to be a shoujo manga, were we who experienced it largely as a romcom necessarily wrong to see it as such? If you look at the first chapters of the story, does it seem like it tries to be a shoujo? Or does it perhaps look like it's setting up a romcom? See, i'm saying this because even though the shoujo reading might just be right, it might not be what the story presented itself as and what it's main appeal was to a good part of the audience. I mean, just take a look at what the most comments are about and see for yourself. I doubt that it was purely our ignorance which pulled us towards reading this as a romcom manga.
 
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Chapter 42
Keisuke: “Look, you don't have to fake it in front of me.”

→ After their talk in the park, Keisuke now understands Hebikawa's scheming, but instead of driving her away, he accepts her for who she is and continues interacting with her genuinely

Chapter 55
Keisuke: “Whenever you're in danger, just tell me.”

→ The author repeatedly emphasizes that Keisuke is a terminal pushover. He got close to Kusunoki because she repeatedly begged him for help

But here, he voluntarily offers to help Hebikawa. That's significant

Their relationship is still in its budding stage, and if this development continues, it's only a matter of time before Hebikawa genuinely falls for him
 
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So Kusunoki’s kindness is starting to weaken Hebikawa’s poison, and she’s second-guessing her plan, huh? She’ll probably still go through with it, though. Otherwise, the story would lose one of its main conflicts.

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The problem with thinking there will be a "boring ending" is wrapped up in reading this like a harem romcom and not a Shoujo (maybe even Shonen-esque) series that incidentally involves multiple girls liking the same boy
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The author playfully teased this manga as a harem. What do you think?

Current situation has two girls pointing heart arrows at the MC

source: https://x.com/PKyuriri/status/1904507792733659537
 

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