Ori no Naka - Ch. 8 - Rejection and Acceptance

[danbellucci]

ohhhh that's why your advice in this thread has has been awful and leads to people destroying themselves

that person has been giving mostly fine advice (except for the therapy part) for most males, just not low social skill males who aren't aware of what's considered proper.
Boomer/millennial advice is typically more well adjusted and healthy on the whole than neurotic zoomer advice. Zoomers might have more awareness of various online platforms but if we were to give a zoomer, millennial and boomer the same body to pilot or give them the same social media profile to DM or text with , I'd expect the millennial and boomer males to outperform the zoomies at dating.

 

[Friendly-Sentence710]

I guess the drama is going to come from either Yumezora wanting to torment/tease Gomi and watch him squirm , or yumezora wants gomi for exceedingly depraved things like more extreme blood-period play and Gomi starts to find her offputting or is disappointed that she's such a freak rather than a good girl.

What do you mean "Or"?

 

[GG334]

would you like a girl you're not interested in to pressure you into going on a date?

yes because it means at least one person is interested in me

 

[gloss]

A lot of you guys need to just go outside and meet people. Find an activity that you have personal interest in and then find a public way to engage with that thing and other people at the same time. That takes a lot of the pressure off.

The term social skills literally has "skill" in the name. They are not inherent talents or qualities that you're born with and never change. While it's true that some people end up living lives where they develop less than others, that doesn't mean that you're just bricked for life. You can genuinely just develop these things. By being social. That's where the skills come from.

Sort of tangential, but if you've ever heard of autistic masking, that is literally people with a fundamental lack of social skills inherent to their very being, simply acting out social skills through practice, to the point where many couldn't tell. Now, there are usually problems with that inherently but that's besides the point.

What I'm saying is that clearly it is possible to do it, it's something that can be interpereted, learned, and put into practice. All you're doing by telling yourself that it is impossible is creating a mindset that will trap you in your own insecurities. You're making it impossible for yourself by not considering the possibility in the first place.

So yeah, if that kind of thing is important to you then what you need to do is reevaluate how you think and literally just go do it. If it's not then I mean, yeah do whatever.

 

[Doomroar]

Gomi dude. My pal. My comrade. My amigo. My brother in Christ.

The issue that you consider the biggest impedance to your happiness all boils down to consent

When you touch someone, you should only do it if they are comfortable with it being you. And in turn, you would call sexual assault if someone touched you and you were uncomfortable with it.

Like, this entire conundrum you are in could easily be solved if you just didn’t be a horny dude, grow a relationship with Kuroko, and then when you’re in a time where you can trust her and she can trust you, you can have a release without having to steal and jork it to used period pads

He is also a nasty fucker that sniffs, licks, and slurps used menstrual pads that he collects from the trash-bin, and uses them for masturbation, while at work

And while that is part of a consent issue, the problem goes beyond that

He IS filthy, it is not on his head, the guy is disgusting

And you may say "Oh but that's a recent development", there's also his paraphilia with underage rape hentai which he draws himself, which is an old bad sexual habit, just as nasty as the new ones he is developing

 

[77BLc9JwJGpLVARkamJx]

We live in society, bring those consent form everywhere.

 

[dsfargeg]

ETA: would you like a girl you're not interested in to pressure you into going on a date?

Yeah this is that horrible advice I'm talking about. Dudes are going to overwhelmingly answer "yes" to this because, prepare yourself for this, it might send you into a fit of hysterics, make sure you're sitting down so you don't faint from a fit of the vapors

Men and women are different. They seek different things from relationships and have different expectations for each other. The advice you're giving would be functional if you were giving it to women, because yes, if a woman treats a man like a human being and asks him out in a polite manner, she would get a date. This is not how it works for men. If a man is already attractive and does that, he gets a date. If he isn't, he has a really bad time. n.b., "attractive" is more than just physical appearance.

And if you're going to ask "oh yeah smart guy then what's your advice for men, prove you're better" I will have to answer honestly: I have no fucking idea because I'm 6'6" and muscular. I have 0 social skills I coast on being hot and funny. Other dudes ask me for help all the time and I can't teach them anything useful.

 

[Kushikime]

Thanks for the chapter

 

[story645]

Dudes are going to overwhelmingly answer "yes" to this

So yes, I'd expect dudes to say yes to me online b/c it's part of the "up for anything persona" & also that to not translate to real life. Like you're very focused on attraction but telling me that you'd be cool with a girl you find unattractive pressuring you into being w/ her? 🤨 (ETA: like for the folks marking me dumb, imagine it's the girl version of the "walking garbage at chapter 2 page 3")

coast on being hot and funny

Dude, being funny is a social skill...it requires being perceptive.

 

[DeathkaiserG]

I do think, Kuroko is receptive to Jiro's advances is because She has this feeling control over him and how he looks pathetic when she watches her hidden cameras. She hated men looked at her and had SA her. Compared to this overly harmless guy, theres a feeling of superiority over him. Watching his reactions when she greet him or not. She gives him honey once in a while to keep him leashed

 

[dsfargeg]

So yes, I'd expect dudes to say yes to me online b/c it's part of the "up for anything persona" & also that to not translate to real life. Like you're very focused on attraction but telling me that you'd be cool with a girl you find unattractive pressuring you into being w/ her? 🤨

Me personally? God no. But I'm also not the norm. Women throw themselves at me in droves so I can afford to be picky. I know a guy who knocked up a 300 lb hamplanet suffering from necrosis with bits of her body rotting off because he was that desperate. Was it a long-term relationship? Not at all, he never wanted to talk about it again. But there's a huge priority difference between men and women when it comes to relationships vs sex. You thinking it's part of an "up for anything persona" is exactly what I'm talking about: You have zero clue how bad a time these dudes are having and also deep down do not care. They're not hot, so they don't even exist to you. It's not a persona, desperate dudes don't register on your radar. This is also why you don't feel bad about how you view them because you don't consciously view them. Seriously, I've literally pointed out my buddies to girls that came up to talk to me and mentioned they would be more interested in this kind of stuff than me and they asked "you mean behind the losers?" because they couldn't wrap their head around that those nerds existed and would want to talk to women. Most dudes exist so far off your radar that you can't give them practical advice because you can't imagine them in the first place. The only advice you are capable of giving applies to dudes who are already attractive and therefore on your radar who therefore do not need advice. The unspoken assumption behind ALL women's advice on dating is "Step 1) Be attractive" because they don't mentally register average-and-below men which means your advice is useless for 90% of men because they need advice on how to be attractive so that the other steps start mattering.

Dude, being funny is a social skill...it requires being perceptive.

No it requires me to be too autistic to put a filter on and just say what I'm honestly thinking in a deadpan tone. Everyone else thinks it's hilarious dry humor and that I'm the wittiest guy in the room because the hotter you are the funnier people think you are. It's called the halo effect. When I say stuff like "We both know that wasn't actually funny. You're only laughing because I'm hot. You shouldn't laugh at stuff like that" they can barely contain themselves at the unbridled loquaciousness behind me spergily spitting word-barf that don't good.

 

[Ninja]

A lot of you guys need to just go outside and meet people. Find an activity that you have personal interest in and then find a public way to engage with that thing and other people at the same time. That takes a lot of the pressure off.

The term social skills literally has "skill" in the name. They are not inherent talents or qualities that you're born with and never change. While it's true that some people end up living lives where they develop less than others, that doesn't mean that you're just bricked for life. You can genuinely just develop these things. By being social. That's where the skills come from.

Sort of tangential, but if you've ever heard of autistic masking, that is literally people with a fundamental lack of social skills inherent to their very being, simply acting out social skills through practice, to the point where many couldn't tell. Now, there are usually problems with that inherently but that's besides the point.

What I'm saying is that clearly it is possible to do it, it's something that can be interpereted, learned, and put into practice. All you're doing by telling yourself that it is impossible is creating a mindset that will trap you in your own insecurities. You're making it impossible for yourself by not considering the possibility in the first place.

So yeah, if that kind of thing is important to you then what you need to do is reevaluate how you think and literally just go do it. If it's not then I mean, yeah do whatever.

Now just to make sure as you practice and inevitably make mistakes you are not destroyed for them.

 

[Ninja]

I can't tell if this manga is supposed to be portraying the MC as deluded or if the incel manifesto presented every chapter is supposed to be taken at face value. I'm giving the author the benefit of the doubt that this is all set up to show the MC as a pathetic loser and not validate stealing period pads but with manga authors it can be hard to tell.

There are two sides to this story and I would guess neither will turn out to be completely right but not wrong either. Yumezora after all thinks "the insects should just die" and I suspect it goes further than just sexual predators on trains.

 

[Prida10]

Pretty sure she won't report him as long as he entertains her. A sadist. He will learn to be a maso.
By the way, If she were to file a complaint with that evidence, I believe she could go to jail.
Setting a camera in the toilets is a crime.

 

[story645]

The only advice you are capable of giving applies to dudes who are already attractive

The advice I gave was basically "treat women as people", "don't pressure them into dating you", and "maybe get to know them a bit before asking them out".

Like really, you're gonna argue with me that "don't treat her like a person", "pressure her into dating you", and "shoot your shot w/ a total stranger" is a winning strategy for a dude who is already struggling w/ getting a girl and is paranoid that asking one out will get him labeled a creep?

 

[nameless_mortal]

The manga about a guy stealing pads feels real to you?

That is precisely what I said, yes.

 

[shion_arita]

The only advice I gave was "treat women as people" & "don't pressure them into dating you". Like really, you're gonna argue with me that "don't treat her like a person" and "pressure her into dating you" is a winning strategy for a dude who is already struggling to get a girl?

Obv I'm not him but it's clear that what he's saying is that "treat women as people" and "don't pressure them into dating you" is not enough to actually help anything if they are not 'attractive'. I do notice that many women frame the issue such that if any man is having a hard time it must be because he is a misogynist or overly boorish and crude. This is usually not the actual problem. The actual problem is that the women just don't like them. Ok, it is what it is, but the part that gets to me is the part where people try to deny it's happening.

Men can obviously be pigs, but so can women. And the way that I most commonly see women be pigs is when they feel the need to brand large numbers of men as disposable unmentionables just because they don't like them. There are many men that aren't going to be seen as 'attractive' by a lot of women. These men are there, their needs are real, and most of them didn't really do anything wrong. It's the absolute refusal by some to accept and live with this basic fact of reality is the point.

 

[augh20242024]

Banger

 

[augh20242024]

The manga about a guy stealing pads feels real to you?

There's people that are weird to the lowest, it's bound to be real

 

[augh20242024]

People squicked out at the premise

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