Watashi no Oshi wa Akuyaku Reijou. - Ch. 58 - In the year 2015 of the kingdom's history, on the 11th day of the 11th month...

[Aezeryel]

No other Yuri manga will ever reach this level of peak

Bloom into You clears.

 

[Bornsinner]

Dammit lesbian Lelouch.

 

[www_Wind]

Heartbreaking, I really need to remember and commit to rereading the LN

 

[T-sama]

I think Claire decision is denial more than anything else, she just got told to her face that her father literaly planned the fall of nobility because at the end of the day every single one of them a are greedy and corrupt, even at the cost of his and his daughter life, and yet she still says unironically she's proud of being a noble

She's still under the childish illusion that being nobility is something to be proud of because she never had the chance to see what the real noble society really is like, so if they're all gonna fall she's gonna follow the same fate like a good little noble

Fortunately we know they'll get a happy ending

 

[raruku]

God fucking dammit!

 

[shinshom]

I think Claire decision is denial more than anything else, she just got told to her face that her father literaly planned the fall of nobility because at the end of the day every single one of them a are greedy and corrupt, even at the cost of his and his daughter life, and yet she still says unironically she's proud of being a noble

She's still under the childish illusion that being nobility is something to be proud of because she never had the chance to see what the real noble society really is like, so if they're all gonna fall she's gonna follow the same fate like a good little noble

Fortunately we know they'll get a happy ending

I mean idk if you could call denial or delusion, she is just abiding by what she learned and lived with.

As harsh and crude as her father was, yo her it was all for a purpose. Live a life of luxury but at the cost of giving your life for the people and she lived by this philosophy because thats what she believed what the high society did and was supposed to do.

I guess there is some element of naivity and all but she just believed that most of the nobility believed the same.

Some would argue that Doyle just allowed the worst in nobility as well for the sake of his revenge so well.... its a bit complicated I guess

 

[parkourse]

WHAT

 

[T-sama]

I mean idk if you could call denial or delusion, she is just abiding by what she learned and lived with.

As harsh and crude as her father was, yo her it was all for a purpose. Live a life of luxury but at the cost of giving your life for the people and she lived by this philosophy because thats what she believed what the high society did and was supposed to do.

I guess there is some element of naivity and all but she just believed that most of the nobility believed the same.

Some would argue that Doyle just allowed the worst in nobility as well for the sake of his revenge so well.... its a bit complicated I guess

I think it's denial because Rae just told her upfront why her father did it, she has no reason to doubt it because I assume she believe if her father really is behind everything then it has a good reason, also, hasn't she seen more and more bad nobles over the course of the story but always took them as like just the bad apples?

It's true that as far as she knows as a noble she has a duty to commoners and always believed that philosophical was right, but until Rae started taking her out of her safe space she never had to actually do anything as a noble, she was a child still getting prepared to one day actually take her role as a noble

Claire always believed in the idealized version of nobles because that's all she knew true, and like you said she believed most nobles are the same

I don't know but to me a part of the plot was always Rae slowly opening Claire eyes to how their society really is, but she always excused it as bad nobles being exception

To be fair the denial is possibly in part due to how fast shit hit the fan, Rae didn't have enough time to prepare Claire more before everything came down

So I guess her denial and naivete is understandable to some extent

As for Doyle he's just a single man, the entire system is corrupt, there was literally nothing he could do because greedy corrupt nobles won't change, sure he could maybe remove them but others would appear in time, that's just the nature of such things

Caste system are inherently corrupt and lead to abuse, anything Doyle did would be temporary at best

 

[Rafalga]

lol called it last chapter. Did anyone expect anything else to happen? For someone who loves Claire very much, Rae knows absolutely jackshit about her personality apparently. She has retarded levels of obsession with noblesse oblige to the point of mental illness. Zero sense of self-preservation. Entire class system is gone and she is still spouting about her duties.

Knocking her out and taking her away somewhere safe would be the better choice. I would rather have someone i loved live but hate me than died loving me. Specially for a retarded worthless reason like this. Fuck that noise.

 

[T-sama]

lol called it last chapter. Did anyone expect anything else to happen? For someone who loves Claire very much, Rae knows absolutely jackshit about her personality apparently. She has retarded levels of obsession with noblesse oblige to the point of mental illness. Zero sense of self-preservation. Entire class system is gone and she is still spouting about her duties.

Knocking her out and taking her away somewhere safe would be the better choice. I would rather have someone i loved live but hate me than died loving me. Specially for a retarded worthless reason like this. Fuck that noise.

I think it's less that Rae didn't know her personality and more that she didn't think Claire would take noblesse that far, I think it makes sense if we assume she's in denial too, like, she just got thrown in her face that her entire belief about nobility is a lie, that nobility is so bad her own father was going to sacrifice both of them just to end nobility entirely

Claire is not dumb just really naive, I honestly think everything crashing down on her so fast just caused her brain to shut down and she's not thinking at all, all nobles gonna die? Due to her misplaced pride she's going by her emotions with "guess I'll die"

I do agree Rae should have taken Claire somewhere else even if by force though lol

 

[Tyran272]

Claire has lived all her life in opulence, directly benefiting from her status as a noble.

Of course she is going to choose to fall with the rest of the nobility, because if the argument is that nobility is inherently bad and deserves to be destroyed, well that also applies to her.

Spoiler: LN spoilers

which is why the only real reason Claire lives at the end is because of the general amnesty given to the former nobles to the point even her father lives. Hell even Salas lives even if in prison.

 

[Misticsan]

her own father was going to sacrifice both of them just to end nobility entirely

I think this might be part of the reason. Even with the reveal, her father embodies the virtues of the nobility she admires: using his power and privilege to pursue the greater good of the country, even if that means sacrificing himself. Asking Claire to cut ties with him and pretend she's totally a pro-revolutionary would save her hide, yes, but she'd probably always regret not standing besides her father when he was facing certain doom. That's not the kind of person she was educated to be.

 

[T-sama]

I think this might be part of the reason. Even with the reveal, her father embodies the virtues of the nobility she admires: using his power and privilege to pursue the greater good of the country, even if that means sacrificing himself. Asking Claire to cut ties with him and pretend she's totally a pro-revolutionary would save her hide, yes, but she'd probably always regret not standing besides her father when he was facing certain doom. That's not the kind of person she was educated to be.

Good point I didn't think of that, if he's gonna sacrifice everything so will she, that actually might be a better reason than denial really

Spoiler: Possible spoilers or false memories :v

I think I vaguely remember someone mentioning that her father in the end doesn't die and go work for the new government which might be why she also survives

 

[SrNevik]

I think this might be part of the reason. Even with the reveal, her father embodies the virtues of the nobility she admires: using his power and privilege to pursue the greater good of the country, even if that means sacrificing himself. Asking Claire to cut ties with him and pretend she's totally a pro-revolutionary would save her hide, yes, but she'd probably always regret not standing besides her father when he was facing certain doom. That's not the kind of person she was educated to be.

Right. She sees this as not running from her responsibility and the consequences/duty of her position that she's benefitted from. There's also the idea of abandoning her father to die alone as a sacrifice. It would be a difficult life to live knowing those are the choices she made. Pride or Principles, however you want to spin it.

It's reasonable she'd be hesitant and reject this choice at first. Knocking her out and kidnapping her somewhere else solves nothing, unless the idea is to kidnap her for life. I'm also not taking points away from Rae because her first thought after this devastating moment wasn't kidnapping.

As for Rae and the idea that she doesn't understand Claire: that's a little absurd. The idea here is that she does understand her far better than nearly anyone else but obviously will not accept things as they are. Her plan was to hopefully persuade Claire against this decision even knowing it would be difficult and could fail.

She ended up underestimating just how strongly Claire sees things but to say that means Rae doesn't understand her in general is interesting. You can understand someone well but be wrong here and there. Are we forgetting the entire mangas worth of material showcasing Rae's understanding and ability to get Claire to this point in the first place? Remember that Claire is as she is now because of Rae. She is not the same now as she was before.

 

[Westes]

Oh my god. I'm afraid this is peak

 

[dexdoujinmanga]

I imagine lily alter knew all this...

 

[Xelda]

Okay but like, what will that actually accomplish Claire? You'd actually be able to do good by continuing to live. Even if not in the world of politics, you could help the needy and less fortunate in some other small way, perhaps inspire others to also do good, save someone who's fallen on hard times and turn their life around, etc. Your 'heroic sacrifice' is gonna mean diddly squid, it's just a dog's death, and Rae's supposed to be the dog in this relationship.

 

[Hikineet]

Thanks for the chapter.

 

[b58]

If I'm completely honest, this manga isn't really landing it with this attempt at a backstory; should have just stuck with the yuri romcom oh well

I do agree, I think this is another example of insanely contrived bullshit, but at this point it's very on brand for this manga

Additionally, I felt like we just had multiple chapters in a row that's basically just a lore dump, straight up explaining "and here's how and why this bit of politics happened", which strikes me as very clumsy writing.

Oh well, I enjoyed it for what it is but that dramatic reveal doesn't land for me either.

 

[Francissors]

I remember this part from the LN. gosh im tearing up