Isekai Summoner, Shinwa no Kaibutsu-tachi to Gendai de Musou Suru ~Uragirareta Moto Eiyuu wa, Aiomome na Nakama to Heiwa ni Kurashitai~

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Good

 

[HyperHunter]

Good so far and got potential, we gotta wait a bit more to know if its actually good or garbage

 

[BraveHeartedHero]

Killing a hero is not impossible on a purely technical level. You could blackmail him, take a comrade hostage, or exploit some other weakness or 'kryptonite'. Furthermore, killing a hero can be beneficial - eliminating the hero of an enemy country, for example.

The problem is that lazy Japanese authors never think that deeply. They never analyze their simplistic tropes, and they never explore the possibilities. They show no concern for maintaining suspension of disbelief, and they never improve, and I don't know why. Maybe because they never receive much-needed criticism, especially from professional writers. Light novels are called 'light' for a reason, I guess.

My guess is that all mangas have that looming axe over them in this day and age that any sense of world building could lead to low readers so they try to get things going as quick as possible. It creates all these cookie cutter setups taht have at least proven to get people to read to get your story going to some degree. It is crazy how quick places are to drop the axe on interesting stories just because of some drops in readers. I remember reading a manga that was taking its time to set everything in motion and just as it did the axe came down harshly so the story was flipped on its head just to scramble some kind of ending.

 

[CoreTerra]

NO IT'S NOT!

Why do Japanese authors believe it's logical to kill a summoned hero who faithfully fought for you? One fool invented this dumb trope, and the others are blindly copying his homework without even pausing to think if it makes sense or not. I'm so angry!

The hero is basically the ruling class's loyal lapdog and a guardian at this point. He is strengthening their reign by proxy, through the sole fact that he was summoned by them. Roping him in scores them great points; he is also a walking deterrent against their enemies. All a foolish hero who ends up backstabbed in these stories needs to be placated is some mediocre territory and a handsome pension until he dies. The benefits of having him around FAR OUTWEIGH the small chance of him turning against his owners.

On the other hand, killing him would be insanely difficult to justify to the masses. It's also not easy to kill him because, as a hero, he is supposedly OP, and is probably not stupid enough to just obediently die when asked!

Writers need to understand that in the eyes of the ruling class, a placated hero is no bigger threat than a random assassin. As long as he doesn't get all political and power-hungry, there is no point in killing him whatsoever - only numerous dangerous, uncontrollable risks. And not killing him is very profitable. If I were the ruling class, I would placate the hero with women and money and pray he doesn't die for the next 50 years, because that's 50 years of stability and prosperity. If you play your cards well, it could mean expanding your territory and ushering in a golden age.

Because it is both logical and illogical. He is a hero from another world, and the only reason he is fighting for them is because he wants to. They have no idea if he might one day decide to turn against them. The only reason they were able to deal with him is either because they had something to use against him, or because he accepted it willingly.

We literally have people in real life who experienced this. We have veterans thrown to the wayside after giving their lives to serve their countries, and kings who poisoned their own children out of fear that they might rise up and overthrow them.


It’s not illogical to say the king became afraid of the MC after he killed the Demon King. It’s human nature. They don’t control the MC, so he’s a threat. We also have zero idea whether this wasn’t just a convenient way for the author to write it off by saying, “They had a reason it the same reason people cheat when they have everything they need or the reason why people act like assholes for no reason your one side of the coin outlook isnt really how life works. mark zuckerberg is literally a case in point of this he created facebook with a friend who was loyal and threw him under the bus so he could have his profit

 

[vodkavodka]

They have no idea if he might one day decide to turn against them
They don’t control the MC, so he’s a threat.

Same goes for everyone else though? Knights, guards, cooks, maids, etc. - anyone can kill a random king or noble. The reasonable expectation is that the ruling class will not commit mass murder out of paranoia.

We have veterans thrown to the wayside after giving their lives to serve their countries

They weren't murdered, though. It's just the government doing a poor job. Caring about veterans is good optics, and many governments do it as long as the budget is fine. I'm not sure this fits the hero's case.

kings who poisoned their own children out of fear that they might rise up and overthrow them
mark zuckerberg threw him under the bus

They have a compelling reason to eliminate the competition. I'm not sure if this fits the bill, either.

I still stand by my point. Just as you don't see kings killing their guards, but rather trying to be on their good side, there is no reason to kill a placated hero. A hero is not a burden on the treasury like millions of veterans, nor is he a spent asset that has outlived its usefulness. There are many useful things a hero can do besides killing the demon king. Also, a hero isn't exactly competition for the establishment.

Sure, anything can happen. The king could be incompetent, the kingdom's enemies could conspire to eliminate the hero, or the hero could be a mass murderer who suffers from selective amnesia. I can probably think of thousands of scenarios rationalizing killing the hero off the top of my head. However, doing that is the author's job, not mine. The author never justified the execution. This is just bad writing. As a reader, it's not my job to guess what happened or invent excuses for events that barely started.

 

[APC-123]

Same goes for everyone else though? Knights, guards, cooks, maids, etc. - anyone can kill a random king or noble. The reasonable expectation is that the ruling class will not commit mass murder out of paranoia.

They weren't murdered, though. It's just the government doing a poor job. Caring about veterans is good optics, and many governments do it as long as the budget is fine. I'm not sure this fits the hero's case.

They have a compelling reason to eliminate the competition. I'm not sure if this fits the bill, either.

I still stand by my point. Just as you don't see kings killing their guards, but rather trying to be on their good side, there is no reason to kill a placated hero. A hero is not a burden on the treasury like millions of veterans, nor is he a spent asset that has outlived its usefulness. There are many useful things a hero can do besides killing the demon king. Also, a hero isn't exactly competition for the establishment.

Sure, anything can happen. The king could be incompetent, the kingdom's enemies could conspire to eliminate the hero, or the hero could be a mass murderer who suffers from selective amnesia. I can probably think of thousands of scenarios rationalizing killing the hero off the top of my head. However, doing that is the author's job, not mine. The author never justified the execution. This is just bad writing. As a reader, it's not my job to guess what happened or invent excuses for events that barely started.

100% agree!

Manga like this is extremely stupid, trash, and should never be released at all.

Killing hero that save your own world need an extremely justifiable reasons outside fearing their power.

And the hero is also super dumb and nihilistic with no spine! He deserves to be cucked and killed thousand times. It's hard to feel any pity for the MC when he is like that.

 

[Devilman22]

damn the chapters are gone now

 

[HoldMyGame]

damn the chapters are gone now

Why, though?

 

[Devilman22]

Why, though?

Must've been judged as morally wrong by the people running the site.

 

[GadgetSteelmare]

What the heck happened? Where'd the chapters go?

 

[GadgetSteelmare]

What the heck happened? Where'd the chapters go?

Nevermind, figured it out. Group got banned for excessive profiteering and other things. Ugh.

 

[Devilman22]

Nevermind, figured it out. Group got banned for excessive profiteering and other things. Ugh.

damn

 

[mangaread00]

Why the hell do this manga got hated this badly bruhh. Chapter 1 is not bad, it's interesting,

- the hero got killed because the king is paranoid and want to have the highest power in the kingdom.

- Overpowered summon means nothing if your can't summon, by using item that suppress the mana or magic circle that prevent any skill.

-overprotective summon, because they see from the inside of MC, that the MC literally betrayed and killed for no reason.

It's not that bad, and have potential to be good, it's kinda rare to see Isekai with depressing take

 

[LichKing234]

Same goes for everyone else though? Knights, guards, cooks, maids, etc. - anyone can kill a random king or noble. The reasonable expectation is that the ruling class will not commit mass murder out of paranoia.

They weren't murdered, though. It's just the government doing a poor job. Caring about veterans is good optics, and many governments do it as long as the budget is fine. I'm not sure this fits the hero's case.

They have a compelling reason to eliminate the competition. I'm not sure if this fits the bill, either.

I still stand by my point. Just as you don't see kings killing their guards, but rather trying to be on their good side, there is no reason to kill a placated hero. A hero is not a burden on the treasury like millions of veterans, nor is he a spent asset that has outlived its usefulness. There are many useful things a hero can do besides killing the demon king. Also, a hero isn't exactly competition for the establishment.

Sure, anything can happen. The king could be incompetent, the kingdom's enemies could conspire to eliminate the hero, or the hero could be a mass murderer who suffers from selective amnesia. I can probably think of thousands of scenarios rationalizing killing the hero off the top of my head. However, doing that is the author's job, not mine. The author never justified the execution. This is just bad writing. As a reader, it's not my job to guess what happened or invent excuses for events that barely started.

i agree tbh
but the main thing is if they have the power to restrain a hero when said people couldn't even defeat the demon lord and needed a hero to do so (with a party no less ) how are they able to cause aint no fucking way a guard, soldier would be able to stand up to a hero.
also trying to discard a strategic asset is something only a fool would do regardless of where the hero came from that is a powerful asset to have in your pocket. so the kingdom able to restrain a powerful hero who not only was able to get into one of if not the most heavily guarded areas in the world defeat the 2nd strong being in said world (sometimes strongest depending on the world). he/she should not be so easly beaten by some bum ass guards.
but that last part really spoke to me about having to guess i 100% agree now it can be implied to where i can connect the dots but if i have to do a huge amount of guess work then yeah thats just bad writing (unless its like some long form thing were your leaving things vague on purpose )

 

[vodkavodka]

trying to discard a strategic asset is something only a fool would do

Yeah. Not to mention that the ruling class probably spent a lot on raising the hero. Party selections, monetary support, mobilizing the military, conscription, logistics, buying rare materials, and hiring mercenaries and adventurers - again and again, for many years. The MC probably cost as much as the fucking Manhattan Project by now. Anyone even mentioning assassinating him will be the one assassinated instead.

 

[Opor97]

Why is the MC such a limb dick loser?

 

[breakthelimit]

If you can defeat demon king which nobody can’t but you still got kill by humans that asked for your help, then you’re the stupid one.

 

[ImoutoParadise]

Deleted all the English chapters on another, I see.