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[MangaDex]

 

[warriorg]

Have you looked at it from the angle "the bad people are so stubborn, deceitful, and powerful that the citizens have no other choice"? Yes, the situation is grizzly, but what other option do they have which will lead them to victory?

 

[Gotim18]

That guy who led the expedition way back is the only one of their clan that deserves to be spared, but the problem is even when your actions are justified people still seek vengeance thus they have to leave nobody alive to prevent this.

 

[Dirtbug]

Shen Hong is actually quite a good villain. He stood his ground and calmly try to overturn sticky situations around even with limited information. Much better than the standard cocky manhua villains

 

[killchu99]

@givemersspls

Remember mass inquisitions (Crusades) where even kids were killed? Yeah. Good times

 

[Baysiri]

How many chapters of this back and forth denying shit are we going to get?

 

[Merilirem]

@lolmaolol To be fair the LAST thing anyone wants right now is an open fight. One side is stalling for time while the other is simply not capable of winning such a battle.

Words are used to give each a chance to prepare themselves for the clash before the other can.

 

[Wolvenworks]

@Dirtbug true. you don't seem to see many competent villains in chinese manhuas.

 

[exogriz]

hey shen hong, just die already ?

@givemersspls it's still happening today. China is doing genocide to Uyghur, Myanmar (Burma) is doing genocide to Rohingya, Israel is doing Genocide to Palestinian, and many more.
because they don't believe in higher power, all they believe is 'evolution' and that there won't be any god that will judge them.

we'll see when we die. who'll get to laugh and who'll scream at the end.

 

[NeonRaven]

@givemersspls

In this case though, they're all relatives. If left alive, they could potentially harbor feelings of revenge and grow to be a threat in the future. Moreover where are they supposed to stay and make a living after being deemed a traitor? Even if they didn't do anything personally and were only judged by association, that would probably mostly include the impressionable younger generations which are raised to be reliant on the family itself and the methods the older generations make use of.

As for Nie Li's opinion, he relies on the experiences and memories of his past or previous self (whatever terms you want to use for timetravel mumbo-jumbo) and those include seeing how the Sacred Family members fled while the city was attacked and destroyed. Not to mention seeing all of his friends and relatives die in front of him. That kind of experience changes how you view the "guilty by association".

My opinion on this is related to the in-story world only, as this conversation mentions real world events.

 

[NeonRaven]

@givemersspls

I do agree with you.

In the end it's a matter of opinion so.. To-may-to, To-maa-to

 

[AlmondMagnum]

@givemersspls
Nie Li isn't the City Lord. All he did was give evidence that the Sacred Family was dealing with the Dark Guild (which is true). The City Lord decided to arrest the whole lot of them and, yes, kill those who resist arrest. And, yes, that poor hapless messenger, because it's just practical. Will they all be executed afterwards? Who knows, but probably not. Either way, it's out of Nie Li's hands.

 

[AlmondMagnum]

@givemersspls
I'm saying that the City Lord calls the shots. Decisional power and responsibility are his, not Nie Li's, no matter what advice he receives from whoever.

And here I'll add that neither of them was raised in a what we'd call a modern western democracy. Brutal and bloody justice is what's normal for them, not so called fair trials and non-barbaric punishments.

And again, so far, except for one messenger who tried to get in the banquet hall, they kill those who resist arrest. What else are they supposed to do?

(Also, the fear of revenge shouldn't be much of a consideration. Mostly because survivors are going to be tempted no matter what they do, just for the fall from grace. It's just a matter of whether they can, and dare. If anything, it argues for leaving no survivors.)

 

[AlmondMagnum]

@givemersspls
And does the Sacred Family feel they are in the wrong? Are they the type to feel grateful, for anything? Have we been reading the same manhua?

And again, so far, it is just an attempt to arrest people who, despite being given a chance to surrender, are violently resisting - as anyone could foresee. There has been no summary execution except, again, for one messenger. So, again, what do you think they should have done differently? How are they supposed to "ascertain their guilt" without interrogating them and searching their homes and offices, which would necessitate doing pretty much what they're doing right now?

And no matter how much clout Nie Li has, the buck stops at the City Lord.

 

[AlmondMagnum]

@givemersspls
The City Lord also offered chances to surrender. That generally means something other than execution for every man, woman and child.

But, considering how things are, there was never getting around the need to fight. Which, by the way, is going to make the concept of innocence murkier. What if there are young adults who didn't know about the shady side of the family but still obey their family's leadership and fight against the city?

 

[Cleesus]

it takes forever for the plot in this to move but i still fucks wit hit